The End Time sequence of Events...

[Hobie]

Jesus was a single person, yet represented the church. Did all the church redeem mankind?

7 churches were individual locations on a map. Is the entire church only in those single locations?

Perhaps God's uses individuals at times, and God does not expect us to claim the entire church is being represented, as those individuals. They individually represent God's church on the earth.

Well its best to go by Gods Word then just speculate what it could be...

 

[Hobie]

This does not mean that what is Prophesied will never happen. It is just that we fallible humans have been too keen for the Lord to bring in on, but all in His good timing.
We can understand why the Lord has made it impossible for us to know exactly when He will rise up and destroy His enemies. However, we can know the season and it should be evident to all that we are now very close to the commencement of all that is Prophesied for the latter days.
Knowing what the Lord will use to change the world, would be a big help in getting thru it all.

Very true..

 

[Hobie]

Those who wish to know what is included in the end times, should not first read the last chapters, but rather read the first chapters first...for the days (times) of creation are the forward, preview, and prophecy...which many end times theories cannot be reconciled with.

The Bible explains itself, but one has to read it OT and NT as they are needed for understanding, such as Daniel prophecy is to prophecy in Revelation..

 

[ScottA]

The Bible explains itself, but one has to read it OT and NT as they are needed for understanding, such as Daniel prophecy is to prophecy in Revelation..

Indeed.

More importantly, anyone wanting to actually know what is relevant to these current times, should understand these two or three very important biblical factors:

1. The word of God is only discerned spiritually; and by "rightly dividing" every passage, as to whether it pertains to this world, or to the kingdom of God which is not of this world--both exist in the text, but would appear to mean something different if out of proper "rightly divided" context.
2. This may be the greater issue to consider: That "strong delusion" and "lies" are a biblical FACT of church history and the modern interpretation of scripture now being taught. It's a fact. In other words, if one's current beliefs align with those of church history--they are most likely wrong--wrong like out in the weeds headed for a cliff.

 

[Keraz]

This may be the greater issue to consider: That "strong delusion" and "lies" are a biblical FACT of church history and the modern interpretation of scripture now being taught. It's a fact. In other words, if one's current beliefs align with those of church history--they are most likely wrong--wrong like out in the weeds headed for a cliff.

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter into the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

 

[ScottA]

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter into the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

I know that you are against the various "rapture" theories"...and that is good. Yet, it is my perception that most simply mean the "resurrection" when they say "rapture."

But then you add delusion to your own explanation with the 1000 years theory.

Time is also a delusion. Meaning that in the translation of truth from God's timeless existence into this would-be times-separated existence, He has simply stated according to the terms of the delusion, what is better interpreted and understood as, "in the fulness of time." ...Which is to be understood as not occurring after the resurrection or our individual ascension, but before--we reign with Christ after salvation, but before ascending.

 

[Keraz]

I know that you are against the various "rapture" theories"...and that is good. Yet, it is my perception that most simply mean the "resurrection" when they say "rapture."

But then you add delusion to your own explanation with the 1000 years theory.

Time is also a delusion. Meaning that in the translation of truth from God's timeless existence into this would-be times-separated existence, He has simply stated according to the terms of the delusion, what is better interpreted and understood as, "in the fulness of time." ...Which is to be understood as not occurring after the resurrection or our individual ascension, but before--we reign with Christ after salvation, but before ascending.

I read this 3 times and I still can't figure what you are getting at!

What my point is, in #25, is that we must stand firm in our faith as we pass thru all that is Prophesied to happen and if doing that kills us, then we have the Lords Promise of resurrection at His Return. And He will reign for the next thousand years. The Sabbath period of Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.

 

[ScottA]

I read this 3 times and I still can't figure what you are getting at!

What my point is, in #25, is that we must stand firm in our faith as we pass thru all that is Prophesied to happen and if doing that kills us, then we have the Lords Promise of resurrection at His Return. And He will reign for the next thousand years. The Sabbath period of Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.

I don't want to derail the thread, but no. The creation week foreshadowing and prophecy was made up of 6+1, 6 days of work, and 1 [so called] day of rest, referring to His eternal and thus, timeless rest...meaning not actually a "day" per se.

 

[Hobie]

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter into the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

Many have been deceive as we see with the rejection of the Sabbath truth by the devils lies, and simply go along with it..