What do you think about when you hear the Wrath of God?

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MatthewG

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Hebrews 1 says that the Lord Jesus 'by Himself purged our sins'.

This presupposes the immense need for sins to be purged at the Cross. And our dependence on His doing exactly that in a perfect way for time and for eternity.

We know Jesus died for the entire world. In fact because of what he did anyone who is born into this world has a clean slate of being clear of sin.

However we do still sin, by nature. Going to Christ helps in that, holding back the acts of sinning. Which we all do.

I still sin, and miss the mark, however before I was born Jesus already paid for my sin, your sin, my brothers sin, my coworkers sin, my clients sin, my sisters sins.

All of that was paid for one time on the cross, you are right and the account of Jesus blood covers all sin of all people.

However there is a different between those who believe who obtain new eternal life and those who do not but the wrath doesn’t abide on them as it pertains to Israel, in that day in context sir.

Are you understanding what I am saying?

John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,

eternal principle.



but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,

Is still true.


for God’s wrath remains on them.

Only relates to the nation of Israel in context.
 

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Are you familiar with PSA ?

And the various theories of the atonement ?

I reject any notion of Jesus having the wrath poured on Him. It doesn’t say it in the Bible.

God is not abusive. That is sicking. To pour out the wrath on his son… sick sick sick. A lie a lie a lie.

Gods wrath in context was for the nation of Israel for killing his son… don’t you understand?
 
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I reject any notion of Jesus having the wrath poured on Him.

God is not abusive. That is sicking. To pour out the wrath on his son… sick sick sick. A lie a lie a lie.

Gods wrath in context was for the nation of Israel for killing his son… don’t you understand?
I understand but I was asking you if you have studied the different theories of the atonement ?

the moral
the ransom
cristus victor
satisfaction
penal substitution
governmental
scapegoat
 
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I don’t know them all no. But I do know what the Bible says and that is good enough for me, to stick to the truth against anyone who tells me differently. If they choose to believe it: it’s between them and God.
 

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The wrath of God will be poured out upon all people from every nation who receive the mark of the beast (Revelation 14:9-10).

A better term there would be tribes, of that area in that day, consider Revelation chapters 2 through 4, 5- 6 -7 in which talks about the 12 tribes.

You can believe it’s still future and perhaps America will suffer Gods wrath however that is getting to far out of context of my understanding.
 

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When we read the word 'judgement' we assume God has a negative attitude towards 'sinners' because we have a negative attitude toward sinners.
God's judgement is in fact liberation ...one of forgiveness.
Negative judgement is one of our own doing.......we reap as consequence of choices deliberately made.

As an example consider Adam. He became subject to death as a consequence of his own choice.....not because God laid it on him.

Put your hand in the meat grinder and you'll loose your fingers......and not because God is punishing you!

interesting take, but at the end of the day, God only gave 2 choices, Him or hell. Its not a buffet.
 

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We know Jesus died for the entire world. In fact because of what he did anyone who is born into this world has a clean slate of being clear of sin.

However we do still sin, by nature. Going to Christ helps in that, holding back the acts of sinning. Which we all do.

I still sin, and miss the mark, however before I was born Jesus already paid for my sin, your sin, my brothers sin, my coworkers sin, my clients sin, my sisters sins.

All of that was paid for one time on the cross, you are right and the account of Jesus blood covers all sin of all people.

However there is a different between those who believe who obtain new eternal life and those who do not but the wrath doesn’t abide on them as it pertains to Israel, in that day in context sir.

Are you understanding what I am saying?

John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,

eternal principle.



but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,

Is still true.


for God’s wrath remains on them.

Only relates to the nation of Israel in context.

gotta say, i dont miss your interpretation, but in this case, you’re half right. You said that Jesus died for the whole world, or all of mankind. Thats not exactly how the doctrine of election works. A better way to say it is, Jesus death was SUFFICIENT for everyone, but EFFICIENT only for the elect.
Also God the Father did indeed pour out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. Jesus had to die for all sins, He was the propitiation of our sins.
 
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gotta say, i dont miss your interpretation, but in this case, you’re half right. You said that Jesus died for the whole world, or all of mankind. Thats not exactly how the doctrine of election works. A better way to say it is, Jesus death was SUFFICIENT for everyone, but EFFICIENT only for the elect.
Also God the Father did indeed pour out His wrath on Jesus on the cross. Jesus had to die for all sins, He was the propitiation of our sins.

Are You coming from a Calvinist perspective? Thank you for sharing it. I disagree with the Calvinist perspective, and I do believe Everything one reads in the Bible needs to stay structured within its context.

And that being the case the elect would have been those who chose to believe and have faith over not having faith in Jesus, in which they were encouraged by the Apostles to be waiting and expecting the return of the Lord in that day in time.

To take it out of context is doing disservice to the Bible as a whole from my point of view.

People are still coming into the kingdom by faith, and that is a good thing.
 

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Jesus having received the wrath of God is a lie as no one can provide evidence of it within the Bible, @Lifelong_sinner. You can believe that if you desire but it is indeed a lie.
 

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Jesus having received the wrath of God is a lie as no one can provide evidence of it within the Bible, @Lifelong_sinner. You can believe that if you desire but it is indeed a lie.

can you explain then why Jesus asked the Father why He forsaked Him? Also, care to explain how Isaiah told of Jesus death and how He was punished by God? Isaiah 53:4-5
 

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What do you think about when you hear the Wrath of God?
The wrath (or extreme anger) of God occurs 138 times in the Bible, which says that God is angry with sinners every day. However He is withholding His judgments until the completion of the Church. Then at the end of the period of wrath, seven vials full of the wrath of God will be poured out upon the unbelieving world. His wrath is an expression of His justice. And at the same time it expresses the wrath of the Lamb.
 

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When I think about the wrath of God, I recall the scene in the movie, "The Ten Commandments," where Moses and his family were in their home when the angel of death passed overhead. It was only the blood of the lamb on their door frame that spared them.
No matter where I am in my walk with the Lord, I know that it is only the blood of the Lamb on my life that saves me.
I know the Father's love for me from a time He revealed it to me in a special way long ago. I believe He showed it to me for 2 reasons. 1. So that I would be reassured, and 2. so I could reassure others who may need reassuring, that His word is true.
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are!" - 1 John 3:1a
 

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interesting take, but at the end of the day, God only gave 2 choices, Him or hell. Its not a buffet.
We decide who to believe.....God's mercy or Satan's and our own accusations.

God is not the accuser.

God is in the salvation business but Satan wants us to believe the opposite. He wants us to think God spends his time thinking up every accusation he can throw at us and making sure we tremble and quake at threats of frying for eternity.

Jesus is God's answer to those accusations....and we, even many Christians pedal and major on the devils lie.
 

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The wrath (or extreme anger) of God occurs 138 times in the Bible, which says that God is angry with sinners every day. However He is withholding His judgments until the completion of the Church. Then at the end of the period of wrath, seven vials full of the wrath of God will be poured out upon the unbelieving world. His wrath is an expression of His justice. And at the same time it expresses the wrath of the Lamb.

Thank God showed his love by sending his Son to die for the ungodly! Wiping out away all sin, one time on the cross.

Thst wrath was gonna be poured out of the nation of Israel because of their judgement. God judgment would be to literally destroy Jerusalem in 70Ad.

When I think about the wrath of God, I recall the scene in the movie, "The Ten Commandments," where Moses and his family were in their home when the angel of death passed overhead. It was only the blood of the lamb on their door frame that spared them.
No matter where I am in my walk with the Lord, I know that it is only the blood of the Lamb on my life that saves me.
I know the Father's love for me from a time He revealed it to me in a special way long ago. I believe He showed it to me for 2 reasons. 1. So that I would be reassured, and 2. so I could reassure others who may need reassuring, that His word is true.
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are!" - 1 John 3:1a

Thank God by showing his love for all people for sending his Son to pay for all the sin of the world and calling all people to learn and know about Him and His Son.

We decide who to believe.....God's mercy or Satan's and our own accusations.

God is not the accuser.

God is in the salvation business but Satan wants us to believe the opposite. He wants us to think God spends his time thinking up every accusation he can throw at us and making sure we tremble and quake at threats of frying for eternity.

Jesus is God's answer to those accusations....and we, even many Christians pedal and major on the devils lie.

Jesus is always the answer and our only hope!
 

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God is in the salvation business but Satan wants us to believe the opposite. He wants us to think God spends his time thinking up every accusation he can throw at us and making sure we tremble and quake at threats of frying for eternity.

hmmmm thats an strange way of understanding what paul said in philippians 2:12-13.
 

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How most Christians believe that God is incomplete and has needs, such as revenge.

Interesting thought. You know I believe it comes down also to our own self entitled vindication, when I think about it.

If you get taught people are going to hell every time you go to church and don’t question what your being taught leaves a person to wonder the state of mind a person is in believing a falsehood like that.

I believe that is how cults start in which people become abused by the overseer of that providence leading to psychological abuse, psychical abuse… crazy things dark things, being absence from the true warmth and compassion God has.
 
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hmmmm thats an strange way of understanding what paul said in philippians 2:12-13.
Trusting requires work because the human default is to earn. The idea of earning runs contrary to a gift.

Trusting in the whole salvation process; call it justification, sanctification, glorification is what Paul speaks of when he tells us to work it out. The labour of all his letters qualifies this.

When Peter asked to walk on the water, who was holding him up while he trusted?