Religion??

Karl Peters · Jun 16, 2022

There is One who I hear from!!

The first words I heard from Him was read your Bible, which I did and do. I got to know this One who talks to me. I call Him 'Lord', and He is spirit. Before Him coming into my life I didn't really know about anything spiritual, and I didn't want to. While raised by parents who considered themselves Christians and who took me to church as a kid, It never meant much to me. There was only one little possible exception, but it wasn't much. I was just over 40 when I started hearing from this One whom I call my Lord - because I get instructions from Him and I honestly believe Him to be the Christ speaking to me via His Holy Spirit - and we do talk! He comes across as a calm little voice. In a nut shell - that is my religion.

Our "Religion" is our understanding of God!! We each have an understanding of God - a Religion - whether we think we do or not. because we each have an understanding of God!!

There are also corporate or group understanding, which is what we usually call 'Our Religion'. The group understanding that I relate to is "Christian". Of course, there are groups with in any of the major "Religions". I consider myself a Charismatic Christian, and I go to a church that considers itself a non-denominational charismatic Christian church. It's big with a few thousand members. Yet while I group myself with them, I don't agree with all the main pastors believe. For example - the main pastor thinks the Bible is the Word of God and I think that One who talks to me is the Word of God. That is a big difference. Still, I thinks he hears from the same One I do, but just not so often.

So, I believe he gets confused into relying on the Bible as opposed to the One who we hear from. Which is just another way of saying I think the pastor leans too much on his own understanding instead of seeking the One we both can hear from. But that is his 'religion' - understanding of God.

So, there is a difference between leaning on our "Religion" - our understanding of God, and actually leaning on the Lord of lords and King of kings!!!

And that is the point I am making. We can lean on our "Religion" which is our understanding of God - Or we can just walk and talk with Him!!!

We have a choice. We can be "Religious" - meaning we lean on our understanding of God - or we can believe in Jesus Christ and just walk and talk with Him - thereby getting His understanding and leaning on His understanding instead of our!! What is it going to be?

Prov 3:5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Pearl · Jun 16, 2022

Karl Peters said:
the main pastor thinks the Bible is the Word of God and I think that One who talks to me is the Word of God. That is a big difference. Still, I thinks he hears from the same One I do, but just not so often.

They are both the Word of God. The bible is the written Word - Rhema, and Jesus the spoken Word, the Logos.

This is interesting: How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

Karl Peters · Jun 16, 2022

Pearl said:
They are both the Word of God. The bible is the written Word - Rhema, and Jesus the spoken Word, the Logos.

This is interesting: How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

Let me reference you to a couple of verses:

The Scriptures (aka your Bible) is neither the Rhema nor Logos in Greek!!

Graphe is the Greek word translated as Scriptures in your Bible!!

Rhema means an utterance - which of course is a little statement made. For example Rhema is used in Romans 10: 17 where it reads:
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word (Rhema/Utterance) of Christ.

So we hear Jesus Christ personally give us a little statement, that is a Rhema word - and you should get rhema words from the Lord. For example He once told me:

WE HEAR WISDOM, BUT IS IT THE HEARING OR THE ACTING UPON IT THAT MAKES A MAN WISE?

That was a rhema word to me, because He personally uttered that to me, but I have written it down for you and so it was not an utterance to you, but only to me. And we read utterances as Scriptures, but they are not utterances to us, but to those who wrote them! King Solomon heard the Lord give him utterances like: Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Proverb 2:6 Is not an utterance from God to you, but was an utterance to king Solomon! He wrote it down so that you might realize that you personally need to listen for the rhema words that come from His mouth to you! Thus King Solomon preached that the word of God came from the Lord's mouth, not the Scriptures which king Solomon was writing!!!

Logos is a word in a more general sense. In a general sense Jesus Christ is the Word of God, because He is the One who personally speaks to us, if we are willing to listen to Him. So, John starts off "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word (Logos) was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Therefore, John was using Logos as a name for the Christ, and that in a general sense because He does speaks to us if we listen. Logos is not actually something spoken, but refers to God speaking us in a general sense, like Him being the One who speaks to us!

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

Paul wrote making corrections to the church at Rome!! In that correction Paul had to explain that the word of faith which we are preaching is found in your mouth and heart!!!

Why did Paul have to write that if not that they had misunderstood where they were supposed to be looking for the "word"??? Indeed, they were looking for the Word of God to be found somewhere other than in our hearts and mouth - like something written in a book! They had the same problem we have today!! There is nothing new under the Sun!

God through Isaiah covered this problem too:

Is 28:12 ,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen. So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

If you don't actually listen to the Lord, the word of the Lord to you will be Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,” That makes sense, because if you don't practice listening to the Lord personally speaking to you, then He is not the Word of God to you. So the only alternative is the lines on lines of text we find in the Scriptures! Thus the Scriptures become the Word of God to us because we don't hear from Him like we should!! Thereby fulfilling the prophecy above given through Isaiah. When people write that the Word of God is the Scriptures them means the word of the Lord to them is that orderly line up line of text of their Bible that they pick up a little here and there. Sadly that mean they are going to go stumble backwards, be broken, snared, and taken captive. In other words we fall away from the Lord Jesus Christ when we stop listening to Him, and wind up in religion, calling our Bible the Word of God as opposed to calling Jesus Christ the Word of God the the Bible the Holy Scriptures!

Jane_Doe22 · Jun 16, 2022

Karl Peters said:
There is One who I hear from!!

The first words I heard from Him was read your Bible, which I did and do. I got to know this One who talks to me. I call Him 'Lord', and He is spirit. Before Him coming into my life I didn't really know about anything spiritual, and I didn't want to. While raised by parents who considered themselves Christians and who took me to church as a kid, It never meant much to me. There was only one little possible exception, but it wasn't much. I was just over 40 when I started hearing from this One whom I call my Lord - because I get instructions from Him and I honestly believe Him to be the Christ speaking to me via His Holy Spirit - and we do talk! He comes across as a calm little voice. In a nut shell - that is my religion.

Our "Religion" is our understanding of God!! We each have an understanding of God - a Religion - whether we think we do or not. because we each have an understanding of God!!

There are also corporate or group understanding, which is what we usually call 'Our Religion'. The group understanding that I relate to is "Christian". Of course, there are groups with in any of the major "Religions". I consider myself a Charismatic Christian, and I go to a church that considers itself a non-denominational charismatic Christian church. It's big with a few thousand members. Yet while I group myself with them, I don't agree with all the main pastors believe. For example - the main pastor thinks the Bible is the Word of God and I think that One who talks to me is the Word of God. That is a big difference. Still, I thinks he hears from the same One I do, but just not so often.

So, I believe he gets confused into relying on the Bible as opposed to the One who we hear from. Which is just another way of saying I think the pastor leans too much on his own understanding instead of seeking the One we both can hear from. But that is his 'religion' - understanding of God.

So, there is a difference between leaning on our "Religion" - our understanding of God, and actually leaning on the Lord of lords and King of kings!!!

And that is the point I am making. We can lean on our "Religion" which is our understanding of God - Or we can just walk and talk with Him!!!

We have a choice. We can be "Religious" - meaning we lean on our understanding of God - or we can believe in Jesus Christ and just walk and talk with Him - thereby getting His understanding and leaning on His understanding instead of our!! What is it going to be?

Prov 3:5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Very nice post!

another way I would phrase this point from my life/perspective: I believe the Bible is the word of God. But I don’t believe that it is the only words of God. He is great and all-powerful and can/should also speak directly to each of our hearts.

Pearl · Jun 16, 2022

Karl Peters said:
Let me reference you to a couple of verses:

The Scriptures (aka your Bible) is neither the Rhema nor Logos in Greek!!

Graphe is the Greek word translated as Scriptures in your Bible!!

Rhema means an utterance - which of course is a little statement made. For example Rhema is used in Romans 10: 17 where it reads:
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word (Rhema/Utterance) of Christ.

So we hear Jesus Christ personally give us a little statement, that is a Rhema word - and you should get rhema words from the Lord. For example He once told me:

WE HEAR WISDOM, BUT IS IT THE HEARING OR THE ACTING UPON IT THAT MAKES A MAN WISE?

That was a rhema word to me, because He personally uttered that to me, but I have written it down for you and so it was not an utterance to you, but only to me. And we read utterances as Scriptures, but they are not utterances to us, but to those who wrote them! King Solomon heard the Lord give him utterances like: Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Proverb 2:6 Is not an utterance from God to you, but was an utterance to king Solomon! He wrote it down so that you might realize that you personally need to listen for the rhema words that come from His mouth to you! Thus King Solomon preached that the word of God came from the Lord's mouth, not the Scriptures which king Solomon was writing!!!

Logos is a word in a more general sense. In a general sense Jesus Christ is the Word of God, because He is the One who personally speaks to us, if we are willing to listen to Him. So, John starts off "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word (Logos) was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Therefore, John was using Logos as a name for the Christ, and that in a general sense because He does speaks to us if we listen. Logos is not actually something spoken, but refers to God speaking us in a general sense, like Him being the One who speaks to us!

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

Paul wrote making corrections to the church at Rome!! In that correction Paul had to explain that the word of faith which we are preaching is found in your mouth and heart!!!

Why did Paul have to write that if not that they had misunderstood where they were supposed to be looking for the "word"??? Indeed, they were looking for the Word of God to be found somewhere other than in our hearts and mouth - like something written in a book! They had the same problem we have today!! There is nothing new under the Sun!

God through Isaiah covered this problem too:

Is 28:12 ,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen. So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

If you don't actually listen to the Lord, the word of the Lord to you will be Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,” That makes sense, because if you don't practice listening to the Lord personally speaking to you, then He is not the Word of God to you. So the only alternative is the lines on lines of text we find in the Scriptures! Thus the Scriptures become the Word of God to us because we don't hear from Him like we should!! Thereby fulfilling the prophecy above given through Isaiah. When people write that the Word of God is the Scriptures them means the word of the Lord to them is that orderly line up line of text of their Bible that they pick up a little here and there. Sadly that mean they are going to go stumble backwards, be broken, snared, and taken captive. In other words we fall away from the Lord Jesus Christ when we stop listening to Him, and wind up in religion, calling our Bible the Word of God as opposed to calling Jesus Christ the Word of God the the Bible the Holy Scriptures!

Okay . . . ! I didn't read it because it was more like a book than a conversation and you seem to deny That the bible is the Rhema and Jesus is the Logos and both the bible and Jesus are the Word of God. But perhaps as you seem to be a self taught new Christian you might find it beneficial to join a group of mature Bible based Christian in a church or other setting.

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Pearl said:
Okay . . . ! I didn't read it because it was more like a book than a conversation and you seem to deny That the bible is the Rhema and Jesus is the Logos and both the bible and Jesus are the Word of God. But perhaps as you seem to be a self taught new Christian you might find it beneficial to join a group of mature Bible based Christian in a church or other setting.

It is written that they will all be taught of God. Jesus Christ is the Word of God according to the Scriptures! That is His name!!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

And the Bible is the Scriptures!! The Greek word in the Bible that "Scriptures" come from is Graphe - not Rhema!!

So anytime you see someone calling the Bible "The Word" they are not corresponding to what is written in the Bible!!!

So why do people call the Bible "The Word of God" instead of Jesus Christ???

In most people minds it comes down to thinking that the Bible has the Words of God, which is only partially true!! The Bible has words from many persons, including Satan!! The Bible even has Satan quoting Scriptures!! So just because someone quotes the Bible it does not mean they are speaking "The Word of God" - or are we going to say that Satan quoting Scriptures is the Word of God? Context purpose, timing, and more all play a part, and this is important to understand!! It is important because we all need to personally know the Lord and that happens from having a personal conversation with Jesus Christ, via the Holy Spirit.

I apologize for going long, but I shouldn't need to. That happens because people don't listen to the Lord like they should, otherwise this would be obvious, and the Lord would have already taught them about this. If we don't listen the simply understanding the Jesus Christ is the Word of God goes right by a person, so it is difficult to explain this. that is explained in the following verse:

Heb 5:11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Lifelong_sinner · Jun 17, 2022

Wow!! We got “another” one on the forum.

Cant wait to see how this goes.

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Jane_Doe22 said:
Very nice post!

another way I would phrase this point from my life/perspective: I believe the Bible is the word of God. But I don’t believe that it is the only words of God. He is great and all-powerful and can/should also speak directly to each of our hearts.

I am glade you like the post. The Bible certainly has some words from the Lord, but they were not spoken to you but rather those people who wrote them. Because those who wrote the Bible heard from the Lord, they wanted us to also hear from the Lord!!! The problem then comes from looking to them for the Lord's words to us, as opposed to seeking Jesus Christ and His words that He personally speaks to us!

Now the first Words He told me were, "Read Your Bible", because He did have those who wrote the Bible write for a reason. He once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

The Bible is like a textbook that He, the Teacher, would like to use to teach us from. Yet if you take His class are you going to say reading the text book is the same as listening to Him personally teach you??? Of course not!! So why do people like to say that the Bible is the Word of God, since we hear Him personally speaking to us many times a day? Those who wrote the Bible didn't call the Bible the Word of God, and Jesus Himself credited the writings of Moses to Moses and not Himself!

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Did we read the Bible and the part about Moses explain that the word was found near us, in our hearts and mouth, and still not believe what Moses wrote - so that we now think the word of God is found in a book as opposed to in our hearts and mouth like Moses explained?

The Lord once told me:

I MADE THE MOUNTAIN AND THE MOUNTAIN IS GOOD, BUT WOE TO THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE MOUNTAIN. WOE TO THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE CREATED AND NOT THE CREATOR.

I AM THE WORD OF GOD! THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL ME. FOR WHAT PROPHET EVER SAID ‘THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME TO ME SAYING’ AND DIDN’T MEAN THAT I CAME CLOSE? SHOULD I SHARE MY NAME WITH MY CREATION?

Yes - the Lord had the Scriptures created, but His name is called "The Word of God" because that is what people who heard from Him called Him when He talked to them. So can we not separate the Creator from His creation. Why should the name of the Lord be used for His creation? Is that honoring His name?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Mal 1:1 The oracle of the word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi.

An oracle is a saying, so "the word of the Lord" is the name of the One who gave the oracle. The above verse could read:

The Oracle of Jesus Christ to Israel through Malachi - Where the name Jesus Christ replaces His name "the word of the God/Lord" The Christ became Jesus (God's Salvation) when He went to the cross, but He has always been "The Word of God" And look what Malachi writes about His name, "the word of the Lord" later:

Mal 2:1,2 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

Are we giving honor to His name "The Word of God" if we don't listen to Him and instead use His name "The Word of God" for His creation (The Bible) instead of for Him???

Indeed, Jesus Christ (The Word of God) explained to the Jews:

Jn 5:39,40 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life."

Do we wind up doing that - seeking our answer and our eternal life by searching the Scriptures instead of seeking Him and what He has to say to us???

People - you honor Him, and Him as the Word of God by seeking Him and listening to what He has to say to you!! He is always with you, and He is not slow to answer! Isaiah put it this way:

Is 30:21 Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

So do you hear His small voice talking to you whenever you turn to the right of to the left? Do we even hear from our omni-present Lord everyday called "Today"?

Heb 3:7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,

Look - I don't hear from Him as much as I should. Sometimes I hear from Him everytime I turn to the right of the left, but not too often. He sometimes has taken me out to yard sales just so I can remember to listen to Him for whenever I need to turn to the right of left, but normally I get busy and forget to keep listening to Him. Still, I hear from Him a number of times each day!

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
Wow!! We got “another” one on the forum.
Cant wait to see how this goes.

How does it go for you?

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

One of the hardest things about hearing from the Lord is dealing with His people who should be the ones listening to Him, but so often are not.

One day He had me open up my Bible to Ezk 3. He had me read it, and at the same time I was reading it He started talking to me and telling me a similar instruction as He gave Ezikiel.

Eze 3: 4-8 Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them. “For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel, nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate. “Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads.

The thing is - He wants His people (Christians) to listen to Him!! And obviously we Christians should listen to Him!! But do we??? Be honest!!

He is always with you, and you His sheep can and should hear His voice - so how many words have you heard Him speak to you "Today"??

Even when I am angry with Him and want to refuse to hear from Him, I still hear Him a number of times each day. I was about to go to bed, when He suddenly asked me to do some posting for Him first. The purpose is always the same - which is to get people to actually start seeking Him and what He has to personally say to them!! That was the same exact purpose God had for Ezekiel speaking to His people back then. People are still people. We still tend to be stubborn. We still want to lean on our own understanding, and we will even call the Bible the Word of God so we can pretend obedience to Him by just leaning on our own understanding of the Bible instead of actually seeking His voice.

The fact is - if we really listen to Him like we should He will certainly be the Word of God to us, and the Scriptures will be the Holy Writings that He had people that did know Him as The Word of God write. That is why someone like John, when writing about Jesus who he knew in the flesh and must have thought of the Lord as Jesus or Rabbi, started by calling Jesus "the Word"

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Did we ever think about why John would start His writing by call the One he personally knew "the Word" and thus not sounding like most of our preacher at church today, who call the Bible 'the Word'?

Lifelong_sinner · Jun 17, 2022

Karl Peters said:
How does it go for you?

a little sugar…

Enoch111 · Jun 17, 2022

Karl Peters said:
So, I believe he gets confused into relying on the Bible as opposed to the One who we hear from.

You have created a false dichotomy. It is Christ Himself who said "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God" and He was speaking about the written Word. Christ is the eternal living Word of God, and Scripture is the living written Word of God. Without Scripture you would know nothing about Christ or the Gospel.

Satan hates the written Word of God because it is "the Sword of the Spirit" -- "quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword". So ask yourself who planted this bogus idea in your head.

Lifelong_sinner · Jun 17, 2022

Enoch111 said:
. So ask yourself who planted this bogus idea in your head.

i would imagine the same as the one who “talks to him” often.

He’s charismatic. Watch out, he’s liable to start dancing violently with tambourines.. or whatever they use these days.

Pearl · Jun 17, 2022

Karl Peters said:
It is written that they will all be taught of God. Jesus Christ is the Word of God according to the Scriptures! That is His name!!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

And the Bible is the Scriptures!! The Greek word in the Bible that "Scriptures" come from is Graphe - not Rhema!!

So anytime you see someone calling the Bible "The Word" they are not corresponding to what is written in the Bible!!!

So why do people call the Bible "The Word of God" instead of Jesus Christ???

In most people minds it comes down to thinking that the Bible has the Words of God, which is only partially true!! The Bible has words from many persons, including Satan!! The Bible even has Satan quoting Scriptures!! So just because someone quotes the Bible it does not mean they are speaking "The Word of God" - or are we going to say that Satan quoting Scriptures is the Word of God? Context purpose, timing, and more all play a part, and this is important to understand!! It is important because we all need to personally know the Lord and that happens from having a personal conversation with Jesus Christ, via the Holy Spirit.

I apologize for going long, but I shouldn't need to. That happens because people don't listen to the Lord like they should, otherwise this would be obvious, and the Lord would have already taught them about this. If we don't listen the simply understanding the Jesus Christ is the Word of God goes right by a person, so it is difficult to explain this. that is explained in the following verse:

Heb 5:11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Another chapter of your 'book'.

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
a little sugar…
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Have you not read about Him also having them eat bitter herbs

Exo 12:8 They shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread [and bitter herbs.

Yes - we all want to eat sweet words all the time, but kids sometimes need reproof!!

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

Because He loves us He reproves us!!! And for what reason does He reprove us?? Isn't it to get us listening to Him??

Look at the very next very which Rev 3:19 set up!

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Yet we don't want the reproof telling us we don't listen to Him like we should. So it was that His people told Him at the mountain:

... but let not God speak... (Ex 20:19)

And how did that go for them?

Deut 30:19,20 “I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving the LORD your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”

You don't like anyone telling you that you should choose to listen to the Lord? Why? Isn't it because you are saying in your heart, "let not God speak to us"? Well.. that message is not going to change. Those that head the message and choice to obey His voice and hold fast to Him get life and live. And if you think that is heresy you will find out different that hard way.

Behold · Jun 17, 2022

Enoch111 said:
You have created a false dichotomy. It is Christ Himself who said "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God" and He was speaking about the written Word. .

Not just that...

How do you know?
Because Jesus is the Bread of Life, who is the Bread come down from heaven, who gave his body as the bread, in the symbolic "bread and wine", that is literally Christ on the Cross, being represented symbolically when taking Communion.
So, """You shall not live by Bread alone""", is to be compared with Christ who is ""the Bread of Life", and by having this Bread, through Faith, the born again have Eternal Life, which is only found "In Christ".
Jesus told you that He is "the Resurrection and THE LIFE".

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Enoch111 said:
You have created a false dichotomy. It is Christ Himself who said "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God" and He was speaking about the written Word. Christ is the eternal living Word of God, and Scripture is the living written Word of God. Without Scripture you would know nothing about Christ or the Gospel.

Satan hates the written Word of God because it is "the Sword of the Spirit" -- "quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword". So ask yourself who planted this bogus idea in your head.

"He was speaking about the written word???

Oh my - a person that thinks that every word that proceeds from His mouth means the written word just does not personally know our Lord Jesus Christ!! Because they don't even know the Lord speaks!! Isiaih opened up the writings he made with this very thing!!

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.

Is 1:3 “An ox knows its owner,
And a donkey its master’s manger,
But Israel does not know,
My people do not understand.”

It was a problem back then and it is a problem today! His people (Christians) don't even know that the Lord speaks!!

Even and ox or a donkey knows their master has a voice, but His people do not understand this!!

A person does not "write" with their mouth!!

So how could anyone possibly think that every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is written??

The very fact that it is every word that proceeds out of His mouth tells you that you have to listen to the Lord!!!!!!!!

By listen is how you get what proceeds out of someone mouth. Yes, those who wrote the Scriptures did indeed listen to the Lord, so they heard the words that He spoke to them, but your reading their words is not you living by every word that comes out of His mouth!! You are trying to live by every word that come off the pen of those that heard from Him, and are not hearing Him for yourself!!

Jesus covered this problem!! He told them:

Jn 5:39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now clearly the Lord knew how people act - so He had the sacred writings written to explain these problems to us. But still His people won't listen and they prove it over and over and over. They go back to leaning on their own understanding of the Scripture and refuse to actually believe the Scriptures. If they were to actually believe the writings they would understand that the Lord speaks, so that every word that proceeds out of His mouth means we have to listen to our Lord who is omni-present! Still, they say in their heart that He is either dead or in a for off place called heaven, though He is in their midst! Because of that the Word of God they preach is not words that proceeds of our His mouth. That is not the Word of God which is preached by those that personally know Him!! The Word of God we preach is found in your heart and mouth, simply because His Holy Spirit brings His words to our spir

bbyrd009 · Jun 17, 2022

you go karl

Enoch111 · Jun 17, 2022

Karl Peters said:
"He was speaking about the written word???

Absolutely. He was quoting from Deuteronomy and the meaning there is plain. It refers to the written Word of God (which you despise). And "Word" must be capitalized.

Karl Peters · Jun 17, 2022

Enoch111 said:
Absolutely. He was quoting from Deuteronomy and the meaning there is plain. It refers to the written Word of God (which you despise). And "Word" must be capitalized.

So wrong of obvious reason, the first of which is that Moses was speaking personally to the people and just getting around to writing it down! The next is that Moses explained to them, even in the writings we call Deuteronomy that the Lord speaks, and we find His words near us - in our hearts and mouth - so not on paper!!

Deut 30:123-14 “It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ “Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

Now because those people had said, "Let not God speak to us" and thus told Moses to go to God and hear him and they would do what Moses had heard, God gave them the Law! But that was because they were not willing to actually hear from the Lord themselves! So the book of the Law came to them to keep!

Deut 5: 27 Go near and hear all that the LORD our God says; then speak to us all that the LORD our God speaks to you, and we will hear and do it.'

The problem, which of course God knew would be a problem for them, was that they could not keep the Law!! So are you going to try to get to heaven by now keeping what is written in the book of the Law??

BTW - I don't "despise" the book of the Law!! For one thing the Scriptures are good for reproof - and so I use them over and over and over to get people to listen to the Lord!! In fact what is the foremost command?? Do you know? The foremost command is "Hear, O Israel!" Moses gave them that command and Jesus pointed out that it was the foremost command!! It is by hearing the Lord that you keep all the other commandments in the Law. That is to say to love the Lord with all your heart you must first listen to the Lord with your heart!! Have you not read that the Law is fulfilled through Jesus Christ - or even that He is the cornerstone which the builders rejected?

People reject Jesus Christ and Him talking to the personally as the Word of God, and still think they love Him with all there hearts - and the whole time He is standing there trying to speak to Him in words from His Holy Spirit when they could find in their hearts if they cared to listen for Him. How ironic!!

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