If Jesus didn’t know the hour doesn’t that mean that he isn’t god?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

Jesus is God.

TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, how could he die?

If Jesus was God, why didn’t he know when he would come again?

If Jesus was God, why did he need the Holy Spirit to descend on him at baptism?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how …?

All of them could be answered by saying that in addition to Jesus was God, he was also a human when he was born from Mary.

Philippians 2:


Colossians 2:


If Jesus was fully God, how could he have emptied himself?

The devil tried a similar trick in Mat 4:5b: “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down." Jesus was the Son of God. Throwing himself down was no proof that he was the Son of God.

Conversely, if Jesus was a man, how/why …?

Now, we need to remind ourselves that he was God too.

This whole issue is a divine personal mystery beyond First-Order Logical explanation.

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You can keep trying to convince yourself Jesus is God out of some type of desperate need, with many trumped up, invalid and ridiculous reasons that is really not necessary at all. They are all still false statements and fables. And what does the scripture you presented have to do with Jesus being God anyway.

TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, how could he die?

If Jesus was God, why didn’t he know when he would come again?

If Jesus was God, why did he need the Holy Spirit to descend on him at baptism?

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It's quite simple - your assumption is wrong, Jesus was/is not God! The evidence for this in the Bible is in plain sight:

1 Timothy 2:5 (WEB):
1 Corinthians 8:6 (WEB):

Jesus is not God, and God is not our Lord.

John 10:36 (WEB):

Luke 22:69-70 (WEB):
Hebrews 1:3 (WEB):

Jesus claimed not to be God, but the Son of God. He can't be God if he is seated at the right hand of God!

John 20:17 (WEB):

If Jesus has a God, the same God that we have, then obviously Jesus is not God.

Matthew 6:9 (WEB):
1 Corinthians 1:3 (WEB):

In prayer to God, Jesus said, John 17:3 (WEB):

1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB):

Ephesians 1:16-23 (WEB):
Ephesians 3:14 (WEB):

1 Peter 1:3 (WEB):

etc.!

TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, how could he die?

If Jesus was God, why didn’t he know when he would come again?

If Jesus was God, why did he need the Holy Spirit to descend on him at baptism?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how …?

All of them could be answered by saying that in addition to Jesus was God, he was also a human when he was born from Mary.

Philippians 2:


Colossians 2:


If Jesus was fully God, how could he have emptied himself?

The devil tried a similar trick in Mat 4:5b: “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down." Jesus was the Son of God. Throwing himself down was no proof that he was the Son of God.

Conversely, if Jesus was a man, how/why …?

Now, we need to remind ourselves that he was God too.

This whole issue is a divine personal mystery beyond First-Order Logical explanation.

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Actually Jesus simply told us that the time of His return is left in the Fathers hands alone.

Acts 1:6-8

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6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

If the Father has since rfevealed it to Jesus- we have no record of that happening and are only guessing.

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When the Word of John 1:1-3 came into the world as the flesh of John 1:14,
he didn't come as divine flesh, rather, as Jewish flesh.

"God sent His own son in the likeness of sinful flesh." (Rom 8:3)

As such; the Word's flesh was subject to all the liabilities and limitations
imposed on all Jewish flesh.

"Born of a woman, born under law." (Gal 4:4)

Now, in order to fully qualify for the throne given him by Luke 1:32-33, the
Word's flesh had to be biologically related to David.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The New Testament verifies that the Word's flesh satisfied the paternal
requirement.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to
spiritual progeny as well as biological progeny; but in David's case; seed
refers to biological progeny because Jesus was 1) the fruit of David's body
and 2) of David's loins according to the flesh.

Now the thing is: if the Word's flesh was really and truly David's paternal
posterity, then biologically the Word's flesh was also Adam's paternal
posterity via Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, Seth, and Eve.

So; if human life and soul is the only kind of life and soul that Adam's flesh
was capable of producing, then how did one of his paternal grandsons become
divine? (cf. Matt 22:41-45)
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The history of being God….the short version

Morpheus : This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

There are theological topics that are so complex that the research takes a lot of digging through the hard pan of misinformation and then explaining it to people is a whole other challenge…. The whole thing is tangled up so tightly that it is like the giant ball of twine in Ripple’s Believe It Or Not, that sat out in the weather for decades.

Social programming is a real thing. People have been programmed to believe the one God formula for over 1500 years. What do you think process foods are? Processed food is bad for you….milk from the cow is bad for you….2% milk is actually highly processed food. We live in an age that if you are paying attention you know social programming exists because you are being hit from all directions and most swallow it hook line and sinker.

Before I get to deep into this I will answer the question of the OP.
If Jesus didn’t know the hour doesn’t that mean that he isn’t god?
Yeshua is a God and He has his own mind and He has his own authority, but not all authority….

20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.” “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.” Matthew 20:20-23

How much misinformation has been feed to people and for how long? How long has this programming been going on?
Well, it starts out with one God….stating that He is the only God and there is no one like Him….Yahweh makes this clear in the Old Testament a few times.

Is it a Hell bound offense to mess with the scriptures….I mean intentionally change them …..I hope so. Yahweh’s name(s) appeared in the original Old Testament scriptures 6,800 times….So they decided to take His name out….so they removed His name 6,800 times and then started to insert various words and reconstructed the sentences to adjust for the changes....6,800 times. This is an incredible violation of scriptures! An immense corruption that would be hard to correct. Most of the words that were inserted where either God or Lord. This all happened before the time of Christ.

So now a lot people believe that this is His name….His name is God! NO, God is a Divine position, not a name. This game continues into the New Testament because Christ’s name is not in the scriptures either. The word that is used in the New Testament is a Greek word that means healer or honorable healer, it is a word, not a name. Christ’s name was a common and popular name….But Iēsous is a Greek word, not a name that is why you do not see Greek people commonly named Iēsous in history.

So the deception was complete, the names of the Christian Gods are not in the Bible…..So Mission accomplished!….but who’s mission was it? Who would not want the names of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit in the Bible? Holy Spirit is not a name by the way. Because they used this phrase people have thought that the Holy Spirit was a ghost, not a God….or the Spirit of Yahweh or Yeshua or both.

All through the Gospels we can see Yahweh and Yeshua working together and communicating with each other. The word Trinity is not in the scriptures but it occurs before the Ecumenical Councils, but it is the Ecumenical Councils that comes up with the one God formula for the Trinity upon the insistence of Emperor Constantine that they settle the arguments about Yahweh and Yeshua.

There were people with strong beliefs regarding Yahweh and Yeshua that did not agree….Emperor Constantine insisted on agreement. But the disagreements and arguments were neutralized if they were one person. It was not about establishing a true belief it was about stopping the disagreements that is why there was so many punishments involved with not believing it or preaching against it.

The doctrine was not popular at all because the disagreements were not about them being one….the doctrine was just an off the wall alternative to stop the arguments. So they had to force the belief on people upon threat of death or excommunication. Saying they could not even be saved if they did not believe the lie. Such is the way of the Romans. There are more Catholic doctrines on forcing this belief than the doctrine itself.

Yahweh…God Almighty….Creator of Heaven and Earth

Yeshua…God the Son….the real Son….Savior….Messiah

The Holy Spirit….the unnamed God….strengthener…guide...Faith.

For the long version….
Grailhunter’s Corner

Ah, the paradoxes of Incarnation. (Which is a subset of the doctrine we're not allowed to discuss.)

What does "separate hypostases, same ousia" mean? I can't pretend that I understand it. All I can say for sure is that Philippians, Colossians, and John make some remarkable claims about Jesus Christ.

I guess part of the problem is that we have certain expectations for what God in human form should be and be able do, but are these expectations correct or reasonable? Jesus Christ is totally unprecedented in human history.

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Lambano said:

Jesus Christ is totally unprecedented in human history.

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The Word's flesh (John 1:14) is basically a theophany. His wasn't the first;
the Old Testament records a few others here and there. However, the
Word's flesh is unique in that Jesus is a theophany who comes with a
bloodline certifying that he's one of David's paternal grandsons; and if
David's, then of course Adam's too. (explained in post #7)

Now if the bloodline is reliable, then what we have here is someone existing
as a spirit being and a physical being simultaneously, i.e. a supreme being
and a created being at the same time-- the one with divine characteristics
and the other with human characteristics.
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TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, how could he die?

If Jesus was God, why didn’t he know when he would come again?

If Jesus was God, why did he need the Holy Spirit to descend on him at baptism?

There exists an infinite number of questions of this form: If Jesus was God, why/how …?

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On the contrary, Jesus is NOT God because:

1. He is not the Father, who alone is the true God.
2. He died.
3. Did not know when he'd come again.
4. Needed God's spirit to come to him.
5. Did not yet ascend to God when he encountered Mary after the resurrection.
6. Was sent by God.
7. Told what to say and how to say it by God.
8. Prayed to God.
9. Received the revelation from God.
10. Is OF God - lamb, word, son, priest, apostle and servant.

And this list, as you say is in infinite number of forms.

Throughout the Gospels, Jesus always presents Himself as being in a subservient position to God the Father. At no time does Jesus claim equality with God.

Jim C said:

Throughout the Gospels, Jesus always presents Himself as being in a subservient position to God the Father. At no time does Jesus claim equality with God.

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He didn't have to. His disciples Whom He taught did. Jesus is a GREAT Teacher!

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

If Jesus didn’t know the hour doesn’t that mean that he isn’t god?​

Though having been part of Yahavah as his Word. Jesus indeed not his Father… though he expressed the image of the Father, by and through allowing his Father to work through him by and through the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. He was never his Father, whom was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Yeshua is however the Word of God, which was sent by Yahavah and by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah overshadowing Mary, the Word of God (which in essence an extension of Yahavah) (just as we speak we speak in what is in the heart, as God, Yahavah does… )

Many people really do not consider the importance of distinction between God and the Son… other than a lot of rhetorically said things which concerns a topic which not allowed to be spoken on here.

For good reason of course! As most things it always leads to dog fighting.

MatthewG said:

If Jesus didn’t know the hour doesn’t that mean that he isn’t god?​

Though having been part of Yahavah as his Word. Jesus indeed not his Father… though he expressed the image of the Father, by and through allowing his Father to work through him by and through the Holy Spirit of Yahavah. He was never his Father, whom was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Yeshua is however the Word of God, which was sent by Yahavah and by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah overshadowing Mary, the Word of God (which in essence an extension of Yahavah) (just as we speak we speak in what is in the heart, as God, Yahavah does… )

Many people really do not consider the importance of distinction between God and the Son… other than a lot of rhetorically said things which concerns a topic which not allowed to be spoken on here.

For good reason of course! As most things it always leads to dog fighting.

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Is Yahavah Satan?

You do realize, of course that the mantra "Jesus is/is not God" is a "forbidden" discussion on this forum,
no?:

"This topic may not be initiated, discussed or debated at Christianity Board, whether it be for or against the Trinitarian view. Included in this is the side mantra of "Jesus is not God" Such posts/threads will be deleted immediately and disciplinary action will be taken in the form of warning points and/or bans depending on the outcome. Old threads will also be removed from public view as well as new ones." as per:

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Y'Shua is Almighty, Creator, Savior, Messiah, King of the Jews, Wisdom, Knowledge, Light, Comforter, Redeemer, ......

thankfully!

TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, how could he die?

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...and the Word became flesh. IOW, He was fully human which is to say, He was spirit/soul/body. Jesus's spirit lived inside of His flesh body. They crucified His flesh body which is all we know, but His Spirit is eternal.

TonyChanYT said:

If Jesus was God, why didn’t he know when he would come again?

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Because the Father decides when the time is and he decided to keep His options open and decide that decision on the spur of the moment. So the Father couldnt tell Jesus because the decision has not been made yet. This would not detract from Jesus divinity.

Jim C said:

Throughout the Gospels, Jesus always presents Himself as being in a subservient position to God the Father. At no time does Jesus claim equality with God.

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He even said His Father is greater than He is. But that don't mean that Jesus is not God either. That was Jesus walking out His message of, Be Humble and take the servants position, wash his feet! It's a Father-Son thing. Are we subserviant to our Dads on earth? Yes, I was and he was greater than me because I was the son. But I, as Family had the entire support of the entire family unit (except for squabbles with my brothers, lol) at the worst of times and in the best of times. Family is Family.

For all practical purposes literally and figuretively, Jesus is very much God because He is the only begotten Son of the Father God. When you mess with a man's family, you're messing with the entire Family.

You notice that Biker gang kids dont get picked on in school? Thats because they know that they might have 100 family members show up and beat their head in!

The larger issue imo is that...is Jesus YOUR Lord.

I don't mean is He your Savior...is He your Lord?

So many seem confused... Sigh.

Jesus was one person with two nature's, one human and one Divine. His human nature was like us in all things but sin.