The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

The Learner · Sep 24, 2024

St. SteVen said:
Fantastic post!
That is solid gold right there.

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St. SteVen · 2025-05-01T06:14:25-0500

Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife.
As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur.
Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you)

- What's your definition of hell?
- How do you see the final judgment playing out?
- Will everyone be saved in the end?
- Will the Lord who taught us to love our enemies incinerate his?

See the OP for video and more info. Thanks.

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Rockerduck · 2025-05-01T06:37:21-0500

If Hell is the separation from God. That would be Hell for me. An unsaved person, not knowing salvation, leading a decent life, dies. That person, in the least, is separated from love forever, and everyone ever born has felt love. Even if it was from one parent, or high school crush. Then they die, never having the Love of God and never will.

quietthinker · 2025-05-01T06:48:41-0500

Nobody will slip between the cracks. God speaks to all people throughout all history in all cultures. His Sprit speaks to them in ways they recognise and they make their choices.
On that great day, there will be surprises all round. Many who were first will be last and those who were last will be first.

Behold · 2025-05-01T06:52:31-0500

St. SteVen said:
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife.
As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur.

Today, thousands upon thousands of people, .. some water baptized.......went to Hell.

And READER, do you know what they discovered?

2 Things.

1.) Hell is REAL.

2.) The unsaved religious liars found on Forums and in Pulpits... and in Commentaries, and in Videos.... who told them that they were going to heaven, (no matter what), and that hell didn't exist.......not only lied to them, but sent them there.

Rockerduck · 2025-05-01T06:52:35-0500

quietthinker said:
Nobody will slip between the cracks. God speaks to all people throughout all history in all cultures. His Sprit speaks to them in ways they recognise and they make their choices.
On that great day, there will be surprises all round. Many who were first will be last and those who were last will be first.

That means every Saved by the Grace of God Christian in Heaven is the same as everyone else in Heaven. Whether, in the first century or the 21st century, all are the same.

quietthinker · 2025-05-01T07:06:12-0500

Rockerduck said:
That means every Saved by the Grace of God Christian in Heaven is the same as everyone else in Heaven. Whether, in the first century or the 21st century, all are the same.

It means the resurrection will reveal the realities of the choices of all peoples.

Rockerduck · 2025-05-01T07:15:43-0500

quietthinker said:
It means the resurrection will reveal the realities of the choices of all peoples.

And nothing will be hidden.

Behold · 2025-05-01T07:31:52-0500

quietthinker said:
It means the resurrection will reveal the realities of the choices of all peoples.

Here is how to find out who is currently "damned" and "hell bound". (worldwide and universe deep).

John 3:36

John 3:36

John 3:36

amigo de christo · 2025-05-01T08:19:04-0500

Behold said:
Here is how to find out who is currently "damned" and "hell bound". (worldwide and universe deep).

John 3:36

John 3:36

John 3:36

You wont beleive what i just read on another thread .
Whether or not the man was serious i dont know .
But it read like this .
NOT all christains are calvinists but ALL calvnists are CHRISTAINS .
DO YOU SEE a problem with that one . I SURE DO .

amigo de christo · 2025-05-01T08:24:29-0500

Behold said:
Here is how to find out who is currently "damned" and "hell bound". (worldwide and universe deep).

John 3:36

John 3:36

John 3:36

Exactly . and one more reminder
if a man comes and teaches there is no way to truly KNOW if they are saved
UNTIL the die and stand before GOD ,
MAN are they not gonna like THAT DAY AT ALL .
because what did it prove . THEY NEVER TRUSTED IN HE WHO CAN SAVE but rather in their own merits and works .
SO the questoin begging to be asked , begging to be said and to be spoken is this
WHO is the ONLY ONE , THE ONLY NAME whereby one can be saved , AND ARE WE GONNA TRUST IN HIS FINISHED WORK
or in our selves . and it really cant be BOTH . TIME for this people
with all out urgency to begin afresh and anew in the scrips and start reminding all OF the aboslute dire need
TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST JESUS , TO TRUST IN HIM . IN HIM
and to learn HIS teachings well and the apostels and all sound doctrine .
Cause well , there really is ONLY ONE WAY TO BE SAVED .
AND IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD and not that of ourselves . ITS JESUS THE CHRIST

Behold · 2025-05-01T08:33:07-0500

amigo de christo said:
because what did it prove . THEY NEVER TRUSTED IN HE WHO CAN SAVE but rather in their own merits and works .

Lets say you are on a "christian" forum, and you are talking about SALVATION, Eternal Life, and Going to Heaven.

And a person responds to those topics and they claim......they are a Christian, ...= because they were water baptized, and they go to church all the time.........and are trying their best to keep the commandments, and they confess sin.

So, what is their problem?

A.) The Cross is missing from their explanation

B.) Being FORGIVEN is missing from their explanation

C.) JESUS is missing from their explanation

D.) Being BORN AGAIN is missing from their explanation

Verdict ?

A.) Religious but lost.

Jericho · 2025-05-01T09:37:02-0500

St. SteVen said:
- What's your definition of hell?

Eternal separation from God.

St. SteVen said:
- How do you see the final judgment playing out?

The redeemed automatically go to heaven; the unredeemed go to hell, where they await their final judgment. Eventually, they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, where they will have to eternally atone for their sins.

St. SteVen said:
- Will everyone be saved in the end?

No, I don't believe scripture indicates this, nor did it ever make any sense to me that the worst people that have ever lived would get a free get-out-of-jail card (so to speak). There would be no sense of justice or any deterrent to committing acts of evil. It's one thing if a person truly repents, but there are people who have zero remorse and will never repent. There seems to be a false belief that everyone wants to be saved or go to heaven. This is not the case. And there is no way people who willingly chose God could peacefully coexist with people who don't willingly choose God; otherwise, it would be no different than on earth. There has to be a separation, and life is part of the sifting process.

St. SteVen said:
- Will the Lord who taught us to love our enemies incinerate his?

That directive was for us and how we should relate to one another because we can't handle vengeance\anger without it negatively affecting us. It doesn't apply to God, who is the judge of all. I feel like people don't like the concept of hell because it offends their sensibilities. It's not how they think things should be, but that's not necessarily how things are. Like life, things don't always work how we think hey should.

amigo de christo · 2025-05-01T11:15:47-0500

Behold said:
Lets say you are on a "christian" forum, and you are talking about SALVATION, Eternal Life, and Going to Heaven.

And a person responds to those topics and they claim......they are a Christian, ...= because they were water baptized, and they go to church all the time.........and are trying their best to keep the commandments, and they confess sin.

So, what is their problem?

A.) The Cross is missing from their explanation

B.) Being FORGIVEN is missing from their explanation

C.) JESUS is missing from their explanation

D.) Being BORN AGAIN is missing from their explanation

Verdict ?

A.) Religious but lost.

the problem is they have not submitted unto the righteousness OF GOD .
You ask me the same question
and you wont see my lips flapping because i do this , because i do that
ITS Going to be BECAUSE JESUS DID THIS and by grace I BELIEVE IN HE WHO has done all that was necessary for MY salvation .
THEY are trusting in their own works to get them there .
Go on , ask me why I am saved , HOW I KNOW i have eternal life .
And i will give you
only FIVE reasons .
J
E
S
U
S

Marvelloustime · 2025-05-01T11:49:03-0500

amigo de christo said:
the problem is they have not submitted unto the righteousness OF GOD .
You ask me the same question
and you wont see my lips flapping because i do this , because i do that
ITS Going to be BECAUSE JESUS DID THIS and by grace I BELIEVE IN HE WHO has done all that was necessary for MY salvation .
THEY are trusting in their own works to get them there .
Go on , ask me why I am saved , HOW I KNOW i have eternal life .
And i will give you
only FIVE reasons .
J
E
S
U
S

@amigo de christo
Correctamendo.

Marvelloustime · 2025-05-01T12:18:18-0500

amigo de christo said:
Exactly . and one more reminder
if a man comes and teaches there is no way to truly KNOW if they are saved
UNTIL the die and stand before GOD ,
MAN are they not gonna like THAT DAY AT ALL .
because what did it prove . THEY NEVER TRUSTED IN HE WHO CAN SAVE but rather in their own merits and works .
SO the questoin begging to be asked , begging to be said and to be spoken is this
WHO is the ONLY ONE , THE ONLY NAME whereby one can be saved , AND ARE WE GONNA TRUST IN HIS FINISHED WORK
or in our selves . and it really cant be BOTH . TIME for this people
with all out urgency to begin afresh and anew in the scrips and start reminding all OF the aboslute dire need
TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST JESUS , TO TRUST IN HIM . IN HIM
and to learn HIS teachings well and the apostels and all sound doctrine .
Cause well , there really is ONLY ONE WAY TO BE SAVED .
AND IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD and not that of ourselves . ITS JESUS THE CHRIST

@amigo de christo

St. SteVen · 2025-05-01T15:30:52-0500

St. SteVen said:
- Will the Lord who taught us to love our enemies incinerate his?

Jericho said:
That directive was for us and how we should relate to one another because we can't handle vengeance\anger without it negatively affecting us. It doesn't apply to God, who is the judge of all. I feel like people don't like the concept of hell because it offends their sensibilities. It's not how they think things should be, but that's not necessarily how things are. Like life, things don't always work how we think hey should.

The reason that bothers me is that it means God is holding us to a higher standard than he holds himself.

We are required to forgive others whether they want our forgiveness or not.

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PGS11 · 2025-05-01T16:24:56-0500

Go look out the window and then come and post you next comment. That one thing.

Jericho · 2025-05-02T09:24:37-0500

St. SteVen said:
The reason that bothers me is that it means God is holding us to a higher standard than he holds himself.

Does He? God also forgives when asked, but if there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness. And as a supreme judge, He reserves the right to hold people accountable. Comparably, He is far more lenient than our own judicial system. If you commit a crime here, you might be sorry and repent, but you will still be punished. But when God forgives, there is no penalty.

St. SteVen said:
We are required to forgive others whether they want our forgiveness or not.

Forgiveness is for our benefit, not theirs, because holding onto anger/resentment will eat you up inside.

Grailhunter · 2025-05-02T09:54:52-0500

It would be pretty easy to copy all the scriptures here about an eternal fiery place of torment but that has been done and people are still resistant to believe. It is a sign of the times.....you can sin and always be forgiven or no real punishment for sin.

And Christ and the Apostles described it in different ways, which is proof that they believed in an eternal fiery place of torment. The same thing described different ways.

The confusion starts with something that happen between the testaments that is not explained in the scriptures. Yahweh did not threaten the Jews with a fiery place of eternal punishment. And even today the Jews do not believe in Hell. And we enter the New Testament writen in Koine Greek that did not have a word for a fiery place of eternal punishment. Without a word for Hell Christ used examples like Gehenna and stories to describe Hell and the pain associated with a fiery place of eternal punishment. But it always involved fire, pain, and eternity.

The closest thing that the Greek language had for a spiritual place of punishment was more like a prison which was called Hades. The Greek word Hades….which was also Greco-Roman god and the realm he presides over was called Hades. So the Apostles used this word and changed the definition to mean a fiery place of eternal punishment. This was a common practice called Christian Greek. The Greek language did not have Christian theological words and terms, so they would use Greek words and change the definition. Like the word sin....in Greek it meant an arrow missed it target in Christianity it was a transgression against God.

Beliefs, Truths, Facts…..Generalities….We can understand truths at the level that we can comprehend and God cannot explain things that we cannot comprehend. Which is probably why the scriptures do not give a detailed description of Hell or Heaven even though both definitely exists.

People with sinful life styles may want to be Christian but they do not want to believe there is a Hell….a true sign of the times because the Bible nor Christian history shows support for the belief that Hell does not exists.

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