Limited atonement !

Hey You! said:

@brightfame52 is a Hyper Calvinist. He views Atonement as only belonging to the Unconditional Elect of God; apart from them Believing the Truth of the Gospel Promise. Believing the Gospel is not a quotient in God's Purpose of Election. Election is Salvation. Hyper Calvinists do not deny that Faith is a part of Salvation, but they believe everything depends on Election...

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You are not describing limited atonement either. For whom it was meant does not limit the atonement itself. Christ was reconciling the world back to God. There is no mention of any individuals being reconciled.
Heb 2:14-16 states clearly that Christ came to defeat Satan who held the power of death and sin. Here also, where is there any mention of numbers or limitation. If you or anyone believes Christ's atoning work was limited explain how that works. Only partially died or only gave a certain amount of blood? He either died and rose again, or He did not. He either propitiated sin or he did not.

amigo de christo said:

We were drawn to Christ .
So you can keep on trying to plant wrong ideas in order to justify something you want to deep down believe
happens to all IN THE END
or you get can busy preaching the ONLY name and reminding all of the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON that NAME
or perish they will .
I know what this end time generation wants to beleive . ITS A LIE , and its because they love sins
and want to feel like , oh well its all gonna be okay in the end
anyway . My advice , PREACH JESUS THE CHRIST and all things HE taught . Not some fable
that sounds good to
itchy ears who never truly wanted to FOLLOW CHRIST . they do not want to count the cost .
Because its gonna cost them something they do not want to lose . Just a friendly reminder .
I know why folks wanna beleive a fable . its because a fable givth hope
without a cost . Many love sin . and by many i mean even many within christendome .
THey might not like all sins , BUT THEY DARN SURE LOVETH THEIRS . we better watch out my friend .
fables gone wild is occuring .

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Rightglory said:

You are not describing limited atonement either. For whom it was meant does not limit the atonement itself. Christ was reconciling the world back to God. There is no mention of any individuals being reconciled.
Heb 2:14-16 states clearly that Christ came to defeat Satan who held the power of death and sin. Here also, where is there any mention of numbers or limitation. If you or anyone believes Christ's atoning work was limited explain how that works. Only partially died or only gave a certain amount of blood? He either died and rose again, or He did not. He either propitiated sin or he did not.

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Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

This is 'THE' explanation for Limited Atonement...

amigo de christo said:

what a whopper that one is .
Heck not even all CHRISTAINS are CHRISTAINS .
Whats next all christains are not catholics but all catholics are christian . What a whopper that had been too .
THEM places are dangerous . methodists , jw , mormon , yes even calivinsits , and many others .
WHO is paul , who is appolos .
I seem to notice HE took the torch away from men .
Yet even today i see men try and cliam they are pauline or etc .
And beleive me when i investigaged even that pauline stuff
I SEEN things taught that had made PAUL begin a rebuking spree . THINGS he never meant .
PEOPLE we gots to get back into the bible for ourselves .
And before anyone tries to one liner that says OH that is how all them denominations got started .
WRONG . its not .
For had men learned the scrips well for themselves , THEY HAD NEVER sat under such men
WHO never really knew the rightly divided words themselves .
IT WAS DUE TO a serious lack of knowledge that many sat and continued to sit under such men .
YOU DONT SEE me running around trying to start a new denomination
Exactly . WE NEED to get back into the bible again for ourselves and read it FOR ourselves and not
through the lens of men .

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Hey You! said:

Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

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INRI ~ by ReverendRV * June 2

Colossians 2:13-14 NIV; He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

Saint Paul wrote this Epistle, a Letter, to the Church at Colossae. I’ve heard that this Epistle is a shorter version of the Book of Romans. I really like the Epistle to Rome because it is so deep; but my nature is to prefer things short and sweet. After the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Church expanded so quickly; why wouldn’t it? Saints Peter, James and John taught the Church at Israel; but Saint Paul was sent to the Gentiles. As a Missionary, Paul was always building Churches, so of course he taught much about being Saved. There has been NO greater a Theologian than him, and volumes can be written about the things he taught the Church; but there came a day he determined to know only Jesus Christ and him Crucified…

He taught us about how we are Legally indebted to God for breaking his Heavenly Commandments, because his Kingdom includes all the World. When we break worldly Laws, there is a Fine to pay; and this is a Debt. ~ Are you indebted to God? Have you told a Lie? What do you call people who Lie? Thou shalt not Lie. God Charges you for the Crime of Lying. You say “Then he’s got to Charge everyone if he’s going to Charge me!”. Have you ever Stolen? What do you call people that Steal? God could probably Charge everyone with this too. The Bible says if you have broken one Commandment, you are Guilty of breaking all of them; Paul says the Charges against us, have already Condemned us. Being Condemned, you will go to Hell; does this bother you? ~ What we need is to have all of our Charges taken away…

Do you want to know what Charge was nailed to the Cross of Christ? Jesus was tried by Rome, yet Pilate couldn’t find anything wrong with him. But to appease the Sanhedrin, he had Jesus Crucified anyway. Rome always nailed a plank to their Crosses, with the Criminal’s Accusation written on it. At the top of Jesus’ Cross was written in Latin “Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews”. If you’ve seen paintings of Jesus on the Cross with a sign that reads “INRI”, this is shorthand for the accusation written on his plank. ~ For God so Loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal Life. Jesus Kept God’s Law all of his life; this is why Caesar could only nail a TRUE accusation to his Cross. As a Substitute, he will Accept your Charges and take the Punishment you deserve; by bleeding to death on the Cross. He was buried but arose from the grave, ascending to the right hand of God his Father. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith without Works, lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; then join an Evangelical Church. ~ Praise God he allows me to nail MY Charges to HIS Cross; please don’t read them while you’re there. What might you nail to his Cross if you could get rid of it? Nail it to the Cross, so Jesus can be Charged with it instead of you…

1st Peter 2:24 NIV; “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

amigo de christo said:

Reconciled TO GOD BY CHRIST when we were enemies .
IT is just as i say . JESUS didnt come to save the righteous or to reconcile them to GOD .
BUT THEN NONE IS RIGHTEOUS . HE came to seek and to save that which was lost .
TO bring sinners TO REPENTANCE , TO FAITH IN GOD .
THERE IS NO way one who rejects HIM , IS RECONCILED TO GOD .
Cause he is the ONLY ONE WHO can RECONCILE one to GOD .
YOU wont read the whole bible , YOu are trying to twist a verse to make it mean something it dont mean .
AS IF those who fail to BELEIVE ON CHRIST are reconciled to GOD . IT WONT HAPPEN .
AND to imply so is deadly dangerous . ITS why we preach the gospel OF RECONCILATION .
HOW ONE CAN be reconciled to GOD . BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
AND we were all once the enemies of GOD . But the FATHER has made the way to be reconciled to HIM
SO I suggest you preach THAT NAME to folks , cause budda aint reconciling squat
And all other religoins are death leading only to the second death .
IF you want folks reconciled to GOD , YA BETTER say , BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Rather than trying to imply SOMETHING else . I know how you folks work my friend .
YOU always try and pin a person down to ONE scrip and make it seem to mean WHAT YOU IMPLY IT MEANS .
NO FAITH IN JESUS , NO RECONCILIATION and ONLY the second death awaits them all .
YOU had better start preaching JESUS , and learn how to rightly divide . Start reading the bible FOR YOU
and not through the lens of men and their own concepts .

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amigo de christo said:

friend i am not calvnist , nor Jw , nor mormon , nor baptist , nor methodist , NOR RCC
This lamb is christain .
NOW if one speaks truth then AMEN i hear that . but when they bring the blending of truth with lies , WELL
we DONT hear that mix . as i am sure you would agree . Right .
One thing , of many , which i am truly greatful to GOD for is
THE FACT HE PUT ME INTO JUST the BIBLE to read and to love reading it for hours daily , every day
for almost nineteen years now . AND believe me, I GIVE HIM THE CREDIT AND GLORY for having done that .
HE puts the love FOR HIM , FOR HIS WORDS upon the heart of the sheep .
ITS men we have to watch out for . NOT that all are false , BUT FRIEND MANY MANY MANY ARE .
and i dont mean just unwise and maybe should wait to teach . I MEAN Flat out false ones guiding this people .
ITS NOT an accusation , nor am i condeming them . BUT EXPOSING THEM and their doctrines , YOU BET I WILL .
CAUSE my love is for this people and i desire GOOD for the peoples .
AND i bet you know NO LIE IS GOOD for this people .

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Hey You! said:

Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

This is 'THE' explanation for Limited Atonement...

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Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

Rightglory said:

Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

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Christ's Crucifixion, resurrection, and Glorification accomplished not only the propitiation for sins, but also by His death on the Cross, reconciled man to God. The atonement, through Christ's propitiation, was for those whose name is already written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world whom God foreknew would believe on Jesus Christ and receive eternal life. Praise the Lord for that.

Revelation 13:8 -All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the beast), everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Rightglory said:

Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

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Christ's Atonement was not completed on the Cross, it was completed upon his Resurrection and his Ascension...

Hey You! said:

Christ's Atonement was not completed on the Cross, it was completed upon his Resurrection and his Ascension...

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Crucified for our sins and raised again for OUR justification . This is why they all preached
His being crucified and His ressurection . His ascension .
That if one believes from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead
and confesses by mouth they shall be saved .
Crucified for our trangressions , RAISED AGAIN for our justification .
Paul even says to the corinthinas
IF CHRIST be not RAISED then ye are still in your sin , and our preaching is vain and those who sleep in Christ are perished .
That we are found false witnesses of GOD , IF SO BE the dead rise not .
THEY Preached all of it my friend . Yes indeed . Deliverd for our offences raised again for our justification .
Dead to sin alive unto to righteousness by the power of the LORD . TO the trenches the hour is late
and souls are at stake as many are now chasing a dream of what they see as love and yet THE LIE shall damn them all to peridtion .
This love has made the road to GOD very darn broad , never ever forget interfaith is of anti christ
and has come to seduce the merger of the many right to the day of their perdition .

Hey You! said:

Christ's Atonement was not completed on the Cross, it was completed upon his Resurrection and his Ascension...

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Correct. It has nothing to do with man. Man is the recipient of the atonement.

amigo de christo said:

Crucified for our sins and raised again for OUR justification . This is why they all preached
His being crucified and His ressurection . His ascension .
That if one believes from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead
and confesses by mouth they shall be saved .
Crucified for our trangressions , RAISED AGAIN for our justification .
Paul even says to the corinthinas
IF CHRIST be not RAISED then ye are still in your sin , and our preaching is vain and those who sleep in Christ are perished .
That we are found false witnesses of GOD , IF SO BE the dead rise not .
THEY Preached all of it my friend . Yes indeed . Deliverd for our offences raised again for our justification .
Dead to sin alive unto to righteousness by the power of the LORD . TO the trenches the hour is late
and souls are at stake as many are now chasing a dream of what they see as love and yet THE LIE shall damn them all to peridtion .
This love has made the road to GOD very darn broad , never ever forget interfaith is of anti christ
and has come to seduce the merger of the many right to the day of their perdition .

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This is why the Atonement is Limited...

People are arguing over Nothing...

amigo de christo said:

Crucified for our sins and raised again for OUR justification . This is why they all preached
His being crucified and His ressurection . His ascension .
That if one believes from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead
and confesses by mouth they shall be saved .
Crucified for our trangressions , RAISED AGAIN for our justification .
Paul even says to the corinthinas
IF CHRIST be not RAISED then ye are still in your sin , and our preaching is vain and those who sleep in Christ are perished .
That we are found false witnesses of GOD , IF SO BE the dead rise not .
THEY Preached all of it my friend . Yes indeed . Deliverd for our offences raised again for our justification .
Dead to sin alive unto to righteousness by the power of the LORD . TO the trenches the hour is late
and souls are at stake as many are now chasing a dream of what they see as love and yet THE LIE shall damn them all to peridtion .
This love has made the road to GOD very darn broad , never ever forget interfaith is of anti christ
and has come to seduce the merger of the many right to the day of their perdition .

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amigo de christo said:

Crucified for our sins and raised again for OUR justification . This is why they all preached
His being crucified and His ressurection . His ascension .
That if one believes from the heart that GOD has rose him from the dead
and confesses by mouth they shall be saved .
Crucified for our trangressions , RAISED AGAIN for our justification .
Paul even says to the corinthinas
IF CHRIST be not RAISED then ye are still in your sin , and our preaching is vain and those who sleep in Christ are perished .
That we are found false witnesses of GOD , IF SO BE the dead rise not .
THEY Preached all of it my friend . Yes indeed . Deliverd for our offences raised again for our justification .
Dead to sin alive unto to righteousness by the power of the LORD . TO the trenches the hour is late
and souls are at stake as many are now chasing a dream of what they see as love and yet THE LIE shall damn them all to peridtion .
This love has made the road to GOD very darn broad , never ever forget interfaith is of anti christ
and has come to seduce the merger of the many right to the day of their perdition .

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Hey You! said:

This is why the Atonement is Limited...

People are arguing over Nothing...

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My question is why the big push on limited antonment at all .
I mean the solution is we ought to have been preaching CHRIST and not men .
What i say next might bring tears to your eyes but its real good medicine of love .
Calvin was no good my friend . EVEN if he had some truths to teach and HE DID mess things up .
Truth is the man was dangerous . DOES that suprise you to hear me say that .
Look too many are trying to preach TULIP to everyone .
WHY cant we just preach CHRIST and HIS WORDS to one another .
WHY do folks always have to go into their indoctrinations of men and seem to always
want to focus on those things .
WHY .
It had been so much better Had we just taught and reminded one another OF ALL things JESUS said
and then later the apostles wrote .
MAN how things could have so quickly been cleared up .

Hey You! said:

This is why the Atonement is Limited...

People are arguing over Nothing...

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God showed me something a long time ago .
Allow me to explain something first so as you might be able to better understand .
On the Thirtieth DAY of the fifth month known as may
in the year Two thousand and six , It was a morning as was every other before it .
But in the afternoon THE stirring began . Now i had heard the gospel at age four
at age eight , at age fourteen
And years had went by and i could claim to beleive , but bud i was a rotted sinner .
SO anyway < YEARS later on that day IN MAY two thousand and six
TWAS GOD that stirred within me and REMINDED me and gave me a whole new desire .
Not to be just a lip only , no SIR the heart was changed .
AND INTO ONE BOOK and ONE BOOK ALONE DID HE PUT ME .
HUNGRY and good true and pure HOLY HUNGER FOR TRUTH TO KNOW HIM , HE HAD put on my heart .
Hours upon hours i could read that book , sometimes up to EIGHT HOURS a day .
YES i said eight , but NOT TO BOAST IN ME , NO IT WAS HIS DOING .
Anyway i am gonna jump to May of two thousand and eleven .
I had inherited a computer about four months before this date too .
ON may the fourth i found a web site . AND man i was hungry to share the LORD
with them . Just as i had been years earlier at all the churches i had visited .
I was so excited , so happy to share the truth .
BUT i noticed something . I kept seeing all these strange teachings and doctrines
And i wondered how on earth can they believe such things . NOW REMEMBER at that point
i had been reading that bible DAILY , EVERY DAY for hours upon hours .
SO i asked a question to myself , I was thinking how on earth and where on earth did these strange doctrines come from
as i noticed also MASSIVE AND DEADLY DEATH ERRORS In them .
And the peoples would fight and strive amongst them selves . BOTH Sides bringing truths and errors to support their claims .
I too was bringing on TRUTH to speak . BUT man did they not hear that .
THEN after a few days and real small voice came to me .
AND it said IF you want to KNOW WHY they wont hear you and beleive all this stuff
THEN BRING THEM back to the basic again and simply TEACH JESUS words
AND YOU WILL SEE THEY DONT EVEN OBEY some of it ,
AND THAT VOICE WAS SPOT ON RIGHT .
SO my question to you is this . A LOTTA folks RIGHT NOW , RIGHT HERE
are OMITTING JESUS , some of his teachings
SO WHAT ON EARTH makes ya think THEY GONNA HEAR ANYTHING .
WE GOTS TO BRING THEM BACK TO THE BASICS AND NOW .
IN fact, IF i started bringing the simple teachings of JESUS
on many things , SO MANY would TWIST THEM
as they hug on their second , third , maybe fourth WIFE
AS they hold onto they hundred dollah bills
I CAN EASILY PROVE that MANY DO NOT EVEN HEED HIS SIMPLE teachings , PROVING THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM .
PS you looking at a man who has been single now for about two decades .
I WAS MARRIED Once , i put my wife away . IF I REMARRY ITS ADULTERY . BUT BET DOLLARS
most would say i was WRONG . OH i can do this with many other of his teachings too.
AND ALL The many will do IS TWIST away the ones THEY DONT WANT TO BELIEVE . THAT IS ALL this peoples does .

Hey You! said:

This is why the Atonement is Limited...

People are arguing over Nothing...

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And do you want to know what has changed since may thirtieth two thousand and six .
This i ask concernig the bible and my reading it by grace daily . NOTHING DUDE .
That book is one lovely book and i do love to read it with others .
SO why is it the few i read it it with SEEM TO LOVE just reading it with me
AND we have no desire for them others famous books .
AND WE AGREE TOO .
WHY IS THAT .
Cause SHEEP LOVE TRUTH and HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH and them best selling books
that most love written by men , Made me about puke to even read some of them .
;NOW WHY IS THAT . WHY is it do you suppose i fled from rick warrens purpose driven life book
DIDNT want anything to do with it . YET MANY LOVED IT
YET I LOVED THE BIBLE , yet many sure dont seem to love that .
EVER WONDER why that might be . BECAUSE GOD DOES CHANGE A HEART
and WHEN HE DO , YOU CAN BE ITS GONNA LOVE TRUTH and have naught to do with a lie .