What is the narrow gate?

Purity said:

These are the frustrations of a man who cannot support his belief. I am not even using my notes!

NET translation notes can teach you there is no Satan with the notions you apply - just an adversary, angel, man, government, authorities, nations etc but no superstition Floyd!

Anybody else with more patience than Floyd? He is floundering in the OT for Satan

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My belief's are supported by Scripture (not even notes); as are all true Christians!
Your support of Satan places you directly in the "lake of fire" (the second death) of Rev.20:14.
All you verbal struggles on this Board will only make that event certain!

To all watching this: I find it interesting and significant that the main attacks on this Board, and in the world generally are the following:
1) Denial of the Deity of Christ Jesus.
2) Denial of the freewill of mankind.
3) Denial of the entity of Satan.
4) Denial of the existence of Almighty God.
5) Denial of the "inerrancy" of the Bible; The Word of God.
These and others are under attack from the servants of Satan constantly; with weasel words and "plausible" argumentation.
As we approach the end of the age of the Gentiles IMO, we need diligence and counter attack from the Word itself, to counter the likes of "Purity" and his ilk.
We can be sure that the Holy Spirit "the Comforter, the Word of Truth" is with us in this endeavour.
Floyd.

Floyd said:

My belief's are supported by Scripture (not even notes); as are all true Christians!
Your support of Satan places you directly in the "lake of fire" (the second death) of Rev.20:14.
All you verbal struggles on this Board will only make that event certain!

To all watching this: I find it interesting and significant that the main attacks on this Board, and in the world generally are the following:
1) Denial of the Deity of Christ Jesus.
2) Denial of the freewill of mankind.
3) Denial of the entity of Satan.
4) Denial of the existence of Almighty God.
5) Denial of the "inerrancy" of the Bible; The Word of God.
These and others are under attack from the servants of Satan constantly; with weasel words and "plausible" argumentation.
As we approach the end of the age of the Gentiles IMO, we need diligence and counter attack from the Word itself, to counter the likes of "Purity" and his ilk.
We can be sure that the Holy Spirit "the Comforter, the Word of Truth" is with us in this endeavour.
Floyd.

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You claim to believe in a supernatural Satan, I do not.

You cannot prove your being from the OT though you have tried.

If you don't have any exegesis on the subject then simply say so - its called honesty.

Purity said:

You claim to believe in a supernatural Satan, I do not.

You cannot prove your being from the OT though you have tried.

If you don't have any exegesis on the subject then simply say so - its called honesty.

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You have refused to study what has been given to you, why?
You clearly do not know the Old Testament, why?
You send out stupid accusations, which all the watchers here know are not true,why?

Start by really getting to know the OT; instead of pretending you know it, and making a fool of yourself!
You will then realise that your comments and "teachings" are of Satan; full stop"
Floyd.

PS: I repeat; why do you deny Christ's Deity?
Why do you defend Satan?
What you do is indefensible.

Floyd

Lets see your evidence.

Purity said:

Floyd

Lets see your evidence.

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Read what you have been given; and particularly the Old Testament carefully and prayerfully. The "dumps" that you called the synopsis, will help you greatly.
If you do the above, which will take a few weeks; I will be happy to give more help!
Floyd.

Floyd said:

Read what you have been given; and particularly the Old Testament carefully and prayerfully. The "dumps" that you called the synopsis, will help you greatly.
If you do the above, which will take a few weeks; I will be happy to give more help!
Floyd.

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They were read and their content is loaded with rot, canker of the worst kind.

You need to read your Bible more carefully Floyd.

Lets take the first paragraph as an example:

Blue text is verifiable from the Word red is falsehood.

Jesus is speaking in this verse to the scribes and Pharisees. They had just claimed God as their father, but Jesus stated startlingly that Satan was their father! (1) The reason for the statement, was their continual lying, and misuse of Scripture, together with their own writings, to support their falsehood, and their perverted leadership positions over the Jewish people. Jesus was also pointing to a greater fact, that the lying activity He highlighted in the perverse rulers of Israel, had been active "from the beginning" (John 8:44,) under the auspices of Satan!

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1. The reason is found in Jesus' words "you are from beneath - earthly carnal thinking" "You cannot hear my words - snakes/vipers don't have ears" "they would die in their sins - rejection of their Messiah " "you (like Cain) want to kill me"

So lets look into this verse in John 8:44 so we can see where the Lords mind is with this audience.

“Your Father The Devil” – “who sinneth from the beginning” 1 John 3:8. This is man! Rom 5:12

“Lusts of Your Father” – Grk: “ye will to do”. RSV: “your will is to do your Father’s desires”. Contrast the Lord John 8:29

“He Was A Murderer” – serpent (liar), Cain (murderer) - linked together 1 John 3:12 “of that wicked one” i.e Flesh which needs to be crucified Gal 5:24

John goes to the heart of the matter - "Own works"
Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one (sin personified) and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous 1 John 3:12

“Abode Not In The Truth” – Grk: “stood not in the truth”. RSV: “has nothing to do with the truth” - Cain departed from the presence of God.

“No Truth In Him” – serpent was incapable of moral sentiments and reception of truth. His thinking was adopted and “fixed in human nature” Rom 8:5-7

“Speaketh of His Own” – RSV: “speaks according to his own nature”. Serpent simply expressed his carnal impressions, with no evil intent

• Contrast the Lord: “a man that hath told you the truth” John 8:40

“Father Of It” – Grk: “the father of the liar”. RSV: “father of lies”. Their non-reception of truth and murderous intent (John 8:40) reveal their family origin

• NB “the father” was not responsible for the first lie and its effects 1 John 2:15-16

The above study has no supernatural notions attached; only sound Bible references all being within context and relevant to the Bible story.

P.

Note: Where Satan simply means an adversary whether good or bad; the word devil means "to throw through" or to "falsely accuse". Therefore it is impossible to see the Greek word for devil in a positive (or good) sense, as it always carries negative meaning - herewith the flesh and the manifestation of its passions and lusts is what causes sin and death (Rom 6:23). So hard was this message that his many disciples (not the 12) began to walk away from him.

Purity said:

Floyd

Lets see your evidence.

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Purity...I see you have been hard at it all night............

You say......"lets see your evidence"

Excellent question......that's what we have been trying to get out of you.....where's your evidence?

You see....you don't believe in satan because you haven't met him. I think you need to meet him. But...I will not pray for that to happen.
You don't come to know the father without coming to know your adversary..they go hand in hand.

You need evidence I understand that...but the only way you are ever going to get the evidence you seek is when you sincerely ask Jesus to forgive you of all your sins. It's that simple..........nothing else to it.....no debating, no studying...just ask...and then stand back......cause He has been waiting for you.
If you never do that.......then all you have going for you is.....taught scriptures.

Let Jesus teach you the scriptures....but since you have been taught Jesus is of no value.......wow!!!!! that's some pretty thick mud you're stuck in.

I keep telling you.......after you ask Jesus for forgiveness...........then you will be shown not taught.

A picture is worth a million words.

RANDOR said:

Purity...I see you have been hard at it all night............

You say......"lets see your evidence"

Excellent question......that's what we have been trying to get out of you.....where's your evidence?

You see....you don't believe in satan because you haven't met him. I think you need to meet him. But...I will not pray for that to happen.
You don't come to know the father without coming to know your adversary..they go hand in hand.

You need evidence I understand that...but the only way you are ever going to get the evidence you seek is when you sincerely ask Jesus to forgive you of all your sins. It's that simple..........nothing else to it.....no debating, no studying...just ask...and then stand back......cause He has been waiting for you.
If you never do that.......then all you have going for you is.....taught scriptures.

Let Jesus teach you the scriptures....but since you have been taught Jesus is of no value.......wow!!!!! that's some pretty thick mud you're stuck in.

I keep telling you.......after you ask Jesus for forgiveness...........then you will be shown not taught.

A picture is worth a million words.

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Good Randor!
Floyd.

Purity said:

They were read and their content is loaded with rot, canker of the worst kind.

You need to read your Bible more carefully Floyd.

Lets take the first paragraph as an example:

Blue text is verifiable from the Word red is falsehood.


1. The reason is found in Jesus' words "you are from beneath - earthly carnal thinking" "You cannot hear my words - snakes/vipers don't have ears" "they would die in their sins - rejection of their Messiah " "you (like Cain) want to kill me"

So lets look into this verse in John 8:44 so we can see where the Lords mind is with this audience.

“Your Father The Devil” – “who sinneth from the beginning” 1 John 3:8. This is man! Rom 5:12

“Lusts of Your Father” – Grk: “ye will to do”. RSV: “your will is to do your Father’s desires”. Contrast the Lord John 8:29

“He Was A Murderer” – serpent (liar), Cain (murderer) - linked together 1 John 3:12 “of that wicked one” i.e Flesh which needs to be crucified Gal 5:24

John goes to the heart of the matter - "Own works"
Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one (sin personified) and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous 1 John 3:12

“Abode Not In The Truth” – Grk: “stood not in the truth”. RSV: “has nothing to do with the truth” - Cain departed from the presence of God.

“No Truth In Him” – serpent was incapable of moral sentiments and reception of truth. His thinking was adopted and “fixed in human nature” Rom 8:5-7

“Speaketh of His Own” – RSV: “speaks according to his own nature”. Serpent simply expressed his carnal impressions, with no evil intent

• Contrast the Lord: “a man that hath told you the truth” John 8:40

“Father Of It” – Grk: “the father of the liar”. RSV: “father of lies”. Their non-reception of truth and murderous intent (John 8:40) reveal their family origin

• NB “the father” was not responsible for the first lie and its effects 1 John 2:15-16

The above study has no supernatural notions attached; only sound Bible references all being within context and relevant to the Bible story.

P.

Note: Where Satan simply means an adversary whether good or bad; the word devil means "to throw through" or to "falsely accuse". Therefore it is impossible to see the Greek word for devil in a positive (or good) sense, as it always carries negative meaning - herewith the flesh and the manifestation of its passions and lusts is what causes sin and death (Rom 6:23). So hard was this message that his many disciples (not the 12) began to walk away from him.

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Your denial od the Lord and Scripture means, as Randor said; your mud is very deep!
It will suck you in further over time!
Floyd.

nothead said:

Our God and King, even our Lord Jesus Christ is not scripture, sir. Glad you ain't praying for me with your misplaced blitherings. Listen up, stick to the Bible, and maybe YOUR paradigms of theology won't be so far off, thank you.

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I don't know what scripture you're reading, but Jesus is declared Lord and God in the Holy Bible and in more than one place: I've already listed a few in the course of this thread.
And while I didn't pray specifically for you this morning, we did pray for such as you in men's prayer.
If you are of one of the cults participating in this folly, I'll post a few of the most prominent verses (again) and I suggest that you read them very s l o w l y:

27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.''
28. And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!''
29. Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.'' John 20:27-29

In this passage Thomas declares Jesus to be both Lord and God, and Jesus confirms the statement and acknowledges Thomas' belief. Even a JW should be able to read and understand what is said here: If you don't believe what Jesus said is true, then you're just calling God a liar (Jesus is the true and faithful witness.) The good news is that even blasphemy can be forgiven, but not the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, so today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart. The Lord wants to deliver you from the kingdom of darkness and being condemned to perdition will be your own choice.

Now as far as His proclamation as King, you have to be able to put more than one verse together in a single thought. Can you do that?

"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:"2 Timothy 4:1
This verse says that God and the Lord Jesus Christ will judge the living and the dead when He returns in glory for His kingdom, there's no other way to interpret it. It doesn't say two Gods, it says God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The really slow and stubborn will argue that this is referring to God and someone else, but the second part of the verse is speaking to Christ as judge and monarch.

And what did Jesus Himself say?
22. "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23. "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

And what does the Old testament scripture say?

6. For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7
So go ahead and give me some incredibly stupid argument against the word of God. The scripture literally has hundreds of verses that point to Christ, to Joshua (Hebrew form of Jesus) as being the King to inherit the eternal throne, as being God's son and therefore equal to God in "being."

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:5-11

Purity said:

These are the frustrations of a man who cannot support his belief. I am not even using my notes!

NET translation notes can teach you there is no Satan with the notions you apply - just an adversary, angel, man, government, authorities, nations etc but no superstition Floyd!

Anybody else with more patience than Floyd? He is floundering in the OT for Satan


Its sincere but that's all.

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See above

I don't know what scripture you're reading, but Jesus is declared Lord and God in the Holy Bible and in more than one place: I've already listed a few in the course of this thread.
And while I didn't pray specifically for you this morning, we did pray for such as you in men's prayer.
If you are of one of the cults participating in this folly, I'll post a few of the most prominent verses (again) and I suggest that you read them very s l o w l y:

27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.''
28. And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!''
29. Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.'' John 20:27-29

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I believe Thomas to be saying "My Lord and my elohim!" And this gets translated "my lord and my theos." And this gets translated "my lord and my God."

If I am right, then contextually Thomas was calling Jesus HIS (genitive) heavenly resurrected being, man resurrected.

In this passage Thomas declares Jesus to be both Lord and God, and Jesus confirms the statement and acknowledges Thomas' belief. Even a JW should be able to read and understand what is said here: If you don't believe what Jesus said is true, then you're just calling God a liar (Jesus is the true and faithful witness.) The good news is that even blasphemy can be forgiven, but not the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, so today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart. The Lord wants to deliver you from the kingdom of darkness and being condemned to perdition will be your own choice.

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Why would I believe a paradigm not established until 325 A.D. and then overturned several times in the next hundred years? If you think ALL believed Jesus as God from the time of Thomas' event, then why sir is this statement never repeated again, in EITHER gospel or epistle? NOT MENTIONED in any synoptic? "Jesus my lord and God," "Jesus who is our Lord and God," HE is Lord and God, The CHRIST our Lord and God, not any VARIATION of either in NT? Ever in any uncontested verse anywhere? Huh?

Now as far as His proclamation as King, you have to be able to put more than one verse together in a single thought. Can you do that?

"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:"2 Timothy 4:1
This verse says that God and the Lord Jesus Christ will judge the living and the dead when He returns in glory for His kingdom, there's no other way to interpret it. It doesn't say two Gods, it says God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The really slow and stubborn will argue that this is referring to God and someone else, but the second part of the verse is speaking to Christ as judge and monarch.

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I've no problem with Jesus being mediator at the Judgement Seat. In fact I will be seen as guilty no doubt, and NEED his propitiation then, I presume...

....unlike false OSAS pundits who think their get-out-of-jail-free card exempts them...

God GIVES him this authority, which does not in turn make HIM God. See I CAN put two verses together sir...whoo hoo.

And what did Jesus Himself say?
22. "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23. "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

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Father sent him. God sent him. He is not God. Makes for two Gods, by all Jewish count. Trin count is hinky. Makes the add-on God not addition at all.




And what does the Old testament scripture say?

6. For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7
So go ahead and give me some incredibly stupid argument against the word of God. The scripture literally has hundreds of verses that point to Christ, to Joshua (Hebrew form of Jesus) as being the King to inherit the eternal throne, as being God's son and therefore equal to God in "being."

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"Mighty God" here is at stake. All else is the elohim and prophet annointed, the Messiah. "Mighty God," "El gibber." A word study here might help. In the Hebrew vernacular not no post-trin bias.

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:5-11

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MORPHE of God is not God. Obvious. See the BUFFER WORD morphe. Study the buffer word "morphe." See that the BUFFER word "morphe" is put there to BUFFER your belief that Paul is speaking of Jesus as God.

Thank you. Your welcome.

Purity said:

You claim to believe in a supernatural Satan, I do not.

You cannot prove your being from the OT though you have tried.

If you don't have any exegesis on the subject then simply say so - its called honesty.

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Eph 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
1 Peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
Matthew 13:39
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels
Job 1:6-7
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.
The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
Zechariah 3:1-2
Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him.
The Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?”

I could go on, but you have been refuted....next.

Purity, on 23 May 2014 - 01:13 AM, said:

Purity said:

You claim to believe in a supernatural Satan, I do not.

You cannot prove your being from the OT though you have tried.

If you don't have any exegesis on the subject then simply say so - its called honesty.

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The reason you do not believe in satan is very simple..........if you learn the bible the way satan wants you to....do ya really believe he's going to reveal himself to you?
Gosh man..get your head out of the bible.........and quit thinkin like russel dussel

Go to the hospital and pray for the sick.....
Go find ya a demon possesed person and cast out the demon.......at least you would see one.
There's a whole big world out there.....thats running not on flesh and blood.

I see these things most everyday...............are you living under a rock?

And if ya are convinced there is no hell..................throw those scriptures in the trash...and go check for yourself.

Then..............good grief..............only then will the scriptures be of truth to you.....

Dude..................we were set free from what you're going through.....

Seriously....the scriptures brought to you by this silly watchtower........is Psychiatric Drugs from satan to your brain.

I'm not being mean here..................but you guys have have not shown one ounce of passion for what you believe in....Natha

We worry for you...............you show you could give a flyin crap about us.....just got to get those scriptures right

Robots.that's all you are ...robots.....no emotion.

It's simple................very simple.........there is no more to this than this..........ask Jesus into your heart. That's it

To easy for ya I bet......................

Where I attend church there is a kingdom hall across the road........they have thick bars on the windows...
I had a non Christian ask one time...why would church have bars on it's windows?

A real church would want to catch the burglars or whatever....so they could tell them about Christ..........for it is without Christ they commit crimes.

Plus...........we pray the lord protects our sanctuary's...........we don't want no one to be left out.

Jesus came after the sinner...............that would be me and that would be you

kjw47 said:

Jesus taught----- Enter through the narrow gate, because cramped is the road that leads to life( eternal) FEW will find it. Have you seen the narrow gate? Are you one of the FEW?

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I do not want to say yes, because it makes me feel sick to think I am.

Job 1:6-7
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.
The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

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Nice try Stan, copying and pasting a bunch of verses which carry with them no understanding and to think this refutes something is rather pathetic really.

The adversary you mention here doesn't have any power...I am wanting you to show me this supernatural creature which you call Satan.

Unless your Satan needs to consult God about those he wishes to afflict and also being powerless requires God to do all his bidding, you have nothing here.

In the book of Job, it is God (not satan), who is considered the source of disaster by:

God (Job 2:3)
Job (Job 1:21; 2:10; 6:4; 10:2; 19:21; 27:2)
Job’s servant (Job 1:16)
Job’s wife (Job 2:9)
Job’s three friends (Job 5:17; 8:4; 11:5-6)
Job’s acquaintances and relations (Job 42:11)
Job’s satan himself (Job 1:11; 2:5)

If you can find ONE verse to suggest otherwise you will be able to convince yourself this being exists.

P.

Purity, on 24 May 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:http://www.christianityboard.com/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=228121

If only you had 39 books to support your notions but you haven't one.



I only need one; The Bible!



It states clearly that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; which is where your apostasy is!

Watching your weasel words is like reading Gen..and Satan's words to Eve; "surely thou shalt not die"!

Ahh. but of course; you don't believe in Satan do you?

That means he never tempted Eve!

That means in your "theology" God introduced temptation and evil!???

That of course would not hold water! So where now your theology?



You say you "praise God regularly"; that means (if you tell the truth), that you "worship in spirit and in truth ( Jhn.4:23-24), unless the "one" you worship, is one of those that Jesus warned would be evident (false Christ's).

You said in an earlier post that you treat the Holy Spirit in the same way as Christ Jesus; ie deny their Deity!

In that case; you cannot "worship in spirit and in truth"; as "God is Spirit"!???

Floyd

kjw47 said:

Why would that be?

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Because my mind puffs up when I am too sure about what I know about my faith, and when that happens I feel sick.

nothead said:

I believe Thomas to be saying "My Lord and my elohim!" And this gets translated "my lord and my theos." And this gets translated "my lord and my God."

If I am right, then contextually Thomas was calling Jesus HIS (genitive) heavenly resurrected being, man resurrected.






Why would I believe a paradigm not established until 325 A.D. and then overturned several times in the next hundred years? If you think ALL believed Jesus as God from the time of Thomas' event, then why sir is this statement never repeated again, in EITHER gospel or epistle? NOT MENTIONED in any synoptic? "Jesus my lord and God," "Jesus who is our Lord and God," HE is Lord and God, The CHRIST our Lord and God, not any VARIATION of either in NT? Ever in any uncontested verse anywhere? Huh?





I've no problem with Jesus being mediator at the Judgement Seat. In fact I will be seen as guilty no doubt, and NEED his propitiation then, I presume...

....unlike false OSAS pundits who think their get-out-of-jail-free card exempts them...

God GIVES him this authority, which does not in turn make HIM God. See I CAN put two verses together sir...whoo hoo.





Father sent him. God sent him. He is not God. Makes for two Gods, by all Jewish count. Trin count is hinky. Makes the add-on God not addition at all.




And what does the Old testament scripture say?


"Mighty God" here is at stake. All else is the elohim and prophet annointed, the Messiah. "Mighty God," "El gibber." A word study here might help. In the Hebrew vernacular not no post-trin bias.




MORPHE of God is not God. Obvious. See the BUFFER WORD morphe. Study the buffer word "morphe." See that the BUFFER word "morphe" is put there to BUFFER your belief that Paul is speaking of Jesus as God.

Thank you. Your welcome.

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The word Elohim is Hebrew, not Aramaic or Greek, so Thomas would be unlikely to have used that word in an exclamation, nevertheless Elohim is a plural form of a common word for God, not a name, but a noun just the same. Since Jesus is the same God who manifested under the covenant name Yahavah (no one has seen God at any time but He manifested Himself face to face with Moses), I think that it's fair to call Him God and acknowledge Him as the visible person of the invisible and eternal God since the scripture clearly teaches that this is exactly what He is.
The use of didactics combined with the inability to understand the eternal is not an excuse for refusing to receive Jesus as the living God in the person of His Son when scripture clearly teaches this. You remain without excuse. At least kjw7 was honest enough to confess that he will bend the knee to the Lord upon His return as King and obeisance is both acknowledgement of His right to reign and a form of worship (see Mordecai's objection to bowing before Haman in the book of Esther, as well as the actions of Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah in the incident with the golden statue of Nebuchadnezzar from the book of Daniel).
If you attempt to interpret scripture literally and without the aid of God's Holy Spirit (in the carnal) you will never arrive at biblical truth regardless of your acumen or intellect (the Lord has decreed it to be so). This is why carnally minded students of scripture continually find contradictions and apparent fallacy in what can only be reconciled by His Spirit to reveal absolute and inerrant truth.
I've shown prophetic passages from the Tanaach to unregenerate Jews with specific statements about their messiah from the books of Daniel and Isaiah and they were unable to see those passages with their eyes wide open. They could read the page and mouth the words, but there was no connection to their higher thought because they have been temporarily blinded (spiritually, but like Saul who became known as Paul and received Apostleship from the risen Lord) and theirs is the best attainment to understanding scripture that may be accomplished by an unregenerate soul and the best that any outside the ancient covenants may attain to without receiving Christ as Lord.
Don't believe me and blaspheme me if you'd like, but believe the scripture and don't seek to justify yourself before Him who alone is God.

The word Elohim is Hebrew, not Aramaic or Greek, so Thomas would be unlikely to have used that word in an exclamation, nevertheless Elohim is a plural form of a common word for God, not a name, but a noun just the same. Since Jesus is the same God who manifested under the covenant name Yahavah (no one has seen God at any time but He manifested Himself face to face with Moses), I think that it's fair to call Him God and acknowledge Him as the visible person of the invisible and eternal God since the scripture clearly teaches that this is exactly what He is.

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I know 'elohim' is Hebrew, you think I'm stupid? SO THOMAS would be UNLIKELY using Hebrew? It really matters not to MY theology whether Thomas spoke Mishnaic Hebrew, Koine or Aramaic. IN ANY CASE 'elohim' was meant, since THEOS is INFORMED by the Jew by the Hebrew, the mother tongue of their religion. IN FACT all theology is INFORMED BY the Hebraic definitions, ESPECIALLY the definition of God.

The use of didactics combined with the inability to understand the eternal is not an excuse for refusing to receive Jesus as the living God in the person of His Son when scripture clearly teaches this. You remain without excuse. At least kjw7 was honest enough to confess that he will bend the knee to the Lord upon His return as King and obeisance is both acknowledgement of His right to reign and a form of worship (see Mordecai's objection to bowing before Haman in the book of Esther, as well as the actions of Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah in the incident with the golden statue of Nebuchadnezzar from the book of Daniel).
If you attempt to interpret scripture literally and without the aid of God's Holy Spirit (in the carnal) you will never arrive at biblical truth regardless of your acumen or intellect (the Lord has decreed it to be so). This is why carnally minded students of scripture continually find contradictions and apparent fallacy in what can only be reconciled by His Spirit to reveal absolute and inerrant truth.

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What the hell did you just say which is pertinent to anything? I bend my knee both to Jesus and ANY FOLLOWER OF HIM who lied to a NAZI in order to save a JEW. IN HEAVEN if I make it there, sir.

Do you in fact know what bowing means? Would you in fact DISS your father and refuse to bury him IF JESUS SAID TO FOLLOW HIM not honor your father by burying him?

I've shown prophetic passages from the Tanaach to unregenerate Jews with specific statements about their messiah from the books of Daniel and Isaiah and they were unable to see those passages with their eyes wide open. They could read the page and mouth the words, but there was no connection to their higher thought because they have been temporarily blinded (spiritually, but like Saul who became known as Paul and received Apostleship from the risen Lord) and theirs is the best attainment to understanding scripture that may be accomplished by an unregenerate soul and the best that any outside the ancient covenants may attain to without receiving Christ as Lord.
Don't believe me and blaspheme me if you'd like, but believe the scripture and don't seek to justify yourself before Him who alone is God.

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HIM alone who is God? What happened to the Father? The Father is not a HIM?? Jesus is a HIM but the SAME HIM who is the FAther? How is this? A MYSTERY dude? A CONUNDRUM dude?

NO. Two witnesses. Jesus says his Father is one witness who IS NOT HIM. In Jn he says Jn the Baptist is one the Father is the other, and another place he himself is one his Father is another. TWO HIMS.

And HIM ain't the one True God since the Father was HIM before Jesus could be him. Capishche? Do I have to educate the so-called EXPERTS??