Iran Deal: Peace and Safety?

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keras said:
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah’s barrel[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]In Zechariah 5:1-11, the prophet tells us about a large barrel shaped object that flies in our atmosphere and is situated on the place prepared for it, in the land of Shinar.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=medium]Destroyed at the moment of attack[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Amos 5:9 He makes destruction flash forth against the mighty.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Habakkuk 3:14 You pierce their leaders with Your arrows, they are swept away by a whirlwind as they open their jaws to secretly devour their victims.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 37:12-15 The wicked have drawn their swords and strung their bows, to slaughter the righteous. Their weapons will cut their own hearts and their bows will be shattered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 7:12-16 The enemy prepares to attack, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies. He has dug a deep pit, but he himself will fall into it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 9:15-17 The wicked are trapped in their own devices. The wicked depart to Sheol, all the nations who are heedless of the Lord.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The scenario:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Nuclear tipped missiles are prepared for launching. At the moment the firing button is pressed, the Electro Magnetic Pulse of a massive CME strikes the area. The highly charged particles will cause the bombs and the missiles to explode on the ground. [/SIZE]
The above fiction might never happen according to the way its written because of one sad truth - the people of the world in general and the USA in particular are not being told about all the points of the Iran nuclear treaty.

One cannot accurately propose interpretations of prophecy upon the shifting sand of political expediency.

You have to know what's really going on in order to propose a logical interpretation. At this moment in time a treaty has been agreed upon, but not ratified by congress.

My first point is that large portions of the treaty are being withheld from the public as well as congress, which in turn is asked to ratify it. What are we not supposed to see?

My second point is that the entire process is illegal even if approved. The constitutional procedure has been thrown in the garbage and a different mechanism has been put in its place so as to insure the present administration will get its way.

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
- John F. Kennedy

Can it be said any clearer? America in the 21st century is not the same nation as the one Kennedy spoke to .

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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rjp, You are a typical America centred person. What your president and Congress do or don't do won't alter what God's prophets have told us.

The five nation talks that have resulted in an agreement with Iran is a done deal, whether Congress ratifies it or not. Iran now has the green light to prepare their nuke missiles, that the ancient prophets have warned us about.
The Satanic forces behind Islam will ensure that all the various nations and terrorist groups will, one day; quite soon, combine in an attack on Israel.
That Day will be God's Appointed Day, when He will arise and destroy them all by the fire of His wrath.
 

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Keras

Well, I’d say you’re right on the done deal with Iran. The US doesn’t have the negotiating leverage it once had. It was self sufficient, the mid west was a bread basket that feed much of the world and the US had industrial prowess matched by none. Not so today, the US is dependant on the resources of others for it’s standing in the world. It seems like everything that the US once was is for sale and the federal politician is understood by the rest of the world as the broker.

I do believe it’s the last chapter in Zechariah says it plain as day how things will go down. But when, is what might be knowable.
 

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Why worry about Iran and other worldly events?? The great end times prophesies in Revelation are playing out as God planned...we should be concerned with our salvation and God's protection through the end times as they unfold..remember Rev 12 and 14..God looks after those who "have the testimony of Jesus, and keep His commandments"...and beware of the false prophet and religion which is described in Rev 17, and the daughters of this harlot..those who have led people away from the true word of God for two thousand years, and into the counterfeit roman based religion...
 

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Quite right, we shouldn't worry about end time events.
When we know God's plans and His promises to save and protect His people, then we can look forward to a great future.
But do you know His plans? Do you study and understand the Prophetic Word? If not, then you are ignoring about 1/3rd of the Bible and you are in the dark about what will happen.
Yes, we must be sure of our own salvation and help others to come to Jesus, but if things catch us by surprise, Luke 21:34, then it may be difficult to maintain our faith.
Be aware and be spiritually and physically prepared!
 

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heretoeternity said:
Why worry about Iran and other worldly events?? The great end times prophesies in Revelation are playing out as God planned...we should be concerned with our salvation and God's protection through the end times as they unfold..remember Rev 12 and 14..God looks after those who "have the testimony of Jesus, and keep His commandments"...and beware of the false prophet and religion which is described in Rev 17, and the daughters of this harlot..those who have led people away from the true word of God for two thousand years, and into the counterfeit roman based religion...
No offence heretoeternity


That mind set is convenient for those who don’t believe they are going to experience the fulfillment of God’s Word to them, like a child that doesn’t believe he will experience the results of what his parents warned him of. You know, that’s going to happen to those other people.

The Lord God doesn’t speak to His People just to full up some books, and he that doesn’t take heed, take warnings, usually pays the price. When Israel was getting hammered by Nebuchadnezzar, I do believe it was Jeremiah that was sent here and there to warn the remnant of what and what not to do. The Lord God cared about them didn’t He? How was it that He did? Did He lift them up and whisks them away, or did He inform them through His servant Jeremiah for their sakes? The ones God loves He informs, the ones He don’t love He withholds the Truth from.
 

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whitestone said:
I only know what I've read. My replies and rebukes of scriptures to you are base on that, and the fact that you ignore them. I still have yet to hear your explanation how you can endorse reinstitutionalizing animal sacrifices. That is blasphemy and an abomination.

That makes you obvious "who" you are.

You said, "What I preach is the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus".
No you don't. Not once have you in any of your postings preache the 'coming of the Kingdom of Jesus'". Not once have you used the Gospel as ANY of the Apostles have.
Instead, you post personal ideas of a futuristic temple to be built in the middle east where Jews will then lead Christians to butchering lambs... all out of the OT as though it hasn't been fulfilled in Christ in the Gospel He preache. Instead, you spout All this bizarre futuristic bull that has NOTHING to do with the Kingdom of God.

Here is just ONE verse that proves you a false prophet, as ignorant of scripture as the Pharisees;

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
(Luk 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

EVERYTHING you say is EXACTLY the opposite of THIS scripture, and every other scripture you quote. You are a false prophet. You prove it time and again. Like right now again, you will ignore these scriptures and substitute your own ideas from purgatory futurism never never land.

The Kingdom of God is COME. Without observation. WITHIN CHRISTIANS.

Each of us receives the Kingdom, "each man in His own order" is what the Apostles say,

(1Co 15:23) and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

Christ has Come. Men have been Receiving Him.

Except you.

Because you don't believe.

You are blind.

That is why you place it all into the future.

But what does scripture say?

Rom_13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

So you see, this following verse expresses the relationship you and I have;


(Rom 3:4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

YOU say it's in the future,

JESUS says HE was the Cornerstone that STARTED IT 2000 years Ago.

Only to THIS do all the law and prophets and apostles agree to.

Not your blind interpretations off into your wild applications into the PHYSICAL CARNAL domain. That's all you see. It is how you were made to be. You are serving your purpose. It is nothing personal, I imagine you are a well liked charismatic fellow. I bet you've enjoyed some revenue and I hope you have been rewarded well for your efforts and to remain hot or cold Keras... I know you will never be lukewarm. I am HOT for Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God and Enjoy Living in it exactly as prophesied and exactly as it is written. I will take you to task you will know how hot I am. That will also raise awareness around here that someone is as Hot as you are Cold in the things of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

And I shall enjoy showing every O.T. prophet fulfilled in the New Testament Covenant in the Everlasting Blood of our Reigning King within whom we are called Sons of God. Now. To Day.

And your light to attempt to outshine this with your blithering futuristic mess of political dramas will fade away as Darkness ALWAYS does with LIGHT.

And everyone will see it.

Jesus Christ is our King.
Of All

Other than the redemption of my body He has fulfilled every Word He has ever spoken.
I'm His Wife.
I say the same thing. I have HIS Name now.

(Rev 22:17) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
How do you know whether if he has heard from God or not?

And i find keras's intepretation of Zechariah 5:1-11 really interesting, i never would have thought the flying scrolls could be missiles? But I think this might have something to do with Revelations with the breaking of the 7 seals on the scroll.
 

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Josho said:
How do you know whether if he has heard from God or not?

And i find keras's intepretation of Zechariah 5:1-11 really interesting, i never would have thought the flying scrolls could be missiles? But I think this might have something to do with Revelations with the breaking of the 7 seals on the scroll.
Thanks Josho. FYI, I have received inspiration and a vision from the Lord, there is no way I could have done what I have without that.
Nasty comments from people whose beliefs I have challenged is normal. I am without honour in my own family, town, country and if you look at some truly disgusting comments from Marcus O'Riellius for example, its obvious some would like to lynch me. Just what the ancient prophets had to endure. Not that I think I am a prophet, I just point out what they wrote.

Re nuke missiles, Psalm 7:13 again describes them: deadly shafts tipped with fire, but: it is against himself that he has prepared them. So at the moment of attack, the Lord will cause the sun to explode out a massive CME and the Electromagnetic Pulse will make any armed nukes explode on the ground. Jeremiah 49:35, Habakkuk 3:14
Yes, this will be the Sixth Seal event.
 

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keras said:
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah’s barrel[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]In Zechariah 5:1-11, the prophet tells us about a large barrel shaped object that flies in our atmosphere and is situated on the place prepared for it, in the land of Shinar.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]It is referred to as a curse, that will sweep away every criminal and false religion worshipper as well as demolish their houses. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]This mysterious object, or objects, has a lead cover and from their size and effects, we can discern they are nuclear missiles. Shinar is the ancient name for the fertile area of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which includes Elam; now part of Iran. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]So, right now, in our day, we have this prophecy coming true. Iran have the technology to build these weapons and the motivation to use them against Israel. [/SIZE]
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While it is possible that nuclear warfare may be a part of the way that God brings judgment, the beginning of your argument combines two different visions into 1 in order to support your ideas which is never a sound exegetical practice (just take a look at any pre-trib rapture doctrinal message to see how far a person can get from reality by cherry picking scripture.) I wouldn't call topical study invalid since I often engage in such study and wouldn't invalidate my own reasoning process, however Zechariah chapter 5 first describes the vision of the flying scroll which goes out over all the earth as a curse against liars, perjurers, and all those who swear falsely in the name of the Lord. There is a great deal in scripture about the fate of liars, starting with the original one, the father of all lies. The scroll itself is more likely symbolic of the gospel as Christ said that we had that which would judge us, His word as spoken by Christ Himself. Condemnation and judgment come from rejecting the gospel, which is rejecting Christ. The second part of chapter 5 of Zechariah is a second vision, that of the ephahs (or baskets) in some translations. An ephah was a measure of meal or grain and the word basket is used in some translations because its understood that the grain had to be in a container in order to be measured and that container was the size of an ephah. Now, Jesus used a parable to describe the kingdom of heaven in which He spoke in a similar manner:
Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.'' Matthew 13:33
Generally when this passage is explained in the context of Christian preaching we are taught that this verse is referring to the influence of the gospel upon the world or society at large, something of that nature, and there is a good argument for such an explanation as a valid application of the text, but in our time we see the gospel being largely rejected in Europe, North America, and those areas where Christianity has been dominant in the last two millennia. However, Jesus would have been quite familiar with the book of Zechariah since it was His Spirit that inspired the text. His parable could be translated, "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three ephahs of meal till it was all leavened." Now, Zechariah's vision had to do with wickedness being hidden in ephahs and carried away to the land of Shinar. The plain of Shinar is where the original tower of Babel was built, and the kingdom of that age was a precursor to the kingdom of Babylon. Now you have to ask yourself "what city is mentioned in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ that is doomed for judgment at the time of Christ's return?" Some pastors go nuts when you suggest that this parable of the kingdom is speaking of an evil present in the kingdom of God as they see it as an attack on the church, but when you consider the parable of the wheat and the tares, and "the parable of the mustard seed," (which is similar to the description of Nebuchadnezzar's dream of his kingdom), as well as the parable of the dragnet, you find that God has used the gospel to gather up those who would inherit His kingdom, but also those who would use it for profit or for an excuse to live a sinful lifestyle in presumption upon God's grace (those under the curse of Zechariah's flying scroll). God's kingdom attracts those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, but it also attracts those who feed off of the flock and take advantage of our faith for their own gain. If you want to hunt for a wolf, the best place to look is where their food is, such as around the sheepfold.
When Jesus spoke about His return in glory He said:
27. "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28. "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. Matthew 24:27-28
The more accurate and literal translations use the word vultures instead of the word eagles in verse 28 and for good reason. Eagles are not carrion eaters but birds of prey. The vultures are those (unclean) birds which live off of the carcass of dead things (like a spiritually dead church as in the apostate church.) Jesus spoke a great deal about the judgment to come upon religious hypocrites and that is what chapter 5 of Zechariah is about, not about thermonuclear weapons.
 

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Thanks, Michael, for your well thought out reply.
What you say is right, Zechariah 5 can be interpreted that way and a good sermon could be preached from it. Are you a pastor?
That is how the modern church usually looks at Bible prophecy: find the hidden message for our time and make a homily out of it.

What we read in Zechariah 5, is a fairly literal description of an actual object, something obviously unfamiliar to the prophet, but he describes it in the only way he can with his limited vocabulary. He gives the shape and a carefully estimated size of this object, scroll or barrel shaped, about 12 feet in diameter and 25 feet long. Inside is something that must be kept in by a lead cover. It is a curse that will destroy the ungodly throughout the land.

Right now, in our time, we have this 'curse' of nuke weapons and in the Middle East, Israel and Iran possess them. Iran's Islamic god; Satan will pressure them to do what they have already promised - wipe Israel off the map. We can speculate what the scenario could be, but Bible prophecy tells us exactly what will happen. The Lord will arise, His arm will descend in fire upon the enemies, THEY will be wiped out. Isaiah 42:14-15, Isaiah 63:1-6, Hebrews 10:27, Revelation 6:12-17
I see Matthew 24:27-28 as also describing this sudden fiery destruction, lightning flashing from the East to the West. Not the same event as the Return in glory, on the clouds.
 

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Elam will be hit and it will brake Irans bow of power! That is why Iran is not in the P 83 war, but in the E38 war. it is side lined because of this braking of the bow.
 

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And there is something the bible says that is very interesting >and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. That sound like the people will be moved out because of radioactivity!
 

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Guess most of you either do not believe the end time prophesies in Revelation, or do not know the end time prophesies in Revelation, or do not agree with the end time prophesies in Revelation...time you all prayed for guidance and understanding of this very important book...it could save your life (eternal)...it will for those who follow Rev 12 and 14.."those who have the testimony of Jesus and follow the commandments of God"!

Remember Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.!
 

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Revelation ties in very well with all the other prophesies in the Bible. Rev. is very helpful in giving us the correct sequence of Seals, then later[ the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. We can only obtain the complete picture by studying ALL the scriptures.
Quite right, only those who have the testimony of Jesus and keep His Commandments, will be saved.

Re: the Sabbath, Christmas, etc, - Colossians 2:16-19
 

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keras said:
Thanks, Michael, for your well thought out reply.
What you say is right, Zechariah 5 can be interpreted that way and a good sermon could be preached from it. Are you a pastor?
That is how the modern church usually looks at Bible prophecy: find the hidden message for our time and make a homily out of it.

What we read in Zechariah 5, is a fairly literal description of an actual object, something obviously unfamiliar to the prophet, but he describes it in the only way he can with his limited vocabulary. He gives the shape and a carefully estimated size of this object, scroll or barrel shaped, about 12 feet in diameter and 25 feet long. Inside is something that must be kept in by a lead cover. It is a curse that will destroy the ungodly throughout the land.

Right now, in our time, we have this 'curse' of nuke weapons and in the Middle East, Israel and Iran possess them. Iran's Islamic god; Satan will pressure them to do what they have already promised - wipe Israel off the map. We can speculate what the scenario could be, but Bible prophecy tells us exactly what will happen. The Lord will arise, His arm will descend in fire upon the enemies, THEY will be wiped out. Isaiah 42:14-15, Isaiah 63:1-6, Hebrews 10:27, Revelation 6:12-17
I see Matthew 24:27-28 as also describing this sudden fiery destruction, lightning flashing from the East to the West. Not the same event as the Return in glory, on the clouds.
I'm no pastor, just an over the hill technician who has been born again through faith in the shed blood of our Savior. I have read the Bible since I was a child (about 8 years of age), one of the first books that I ever read through, but didn't understand the seeming contradictions until about 20 years ago when I finally understood, believed, and received. I had always asked God to help me to understand His word and He finally answered that prayer when I committed my soul to His keeping and trusted Him to deliver me from the eternal consequence of my sin. I've been lead down a few rabbit trails by taking heed to popular preachers on the radio, but there isn't anything which the Lord has taught me in the last 20 years in which I have any doubt. I grew up in the cold war era, served in the military at the time the wall came down in East Berlin, and had a pervading sense of a coming nuclear disaster through most of my life. However, I don't see it in scripture. The plague described in scripture that comes upon those enemies which surround Jerusalem at the last battle comes as close to anything as a description of a nuclear attack, but clinically the description is inaccurate and falls far short of the actual devastation of even a small nuke. For example, a nuke doesn't melt a person's eyes out of their sockets, but does burn the retinas and optic nerve, causing permanent blindness. A body in close proximity to a detonation receives such a large amount of incident radiation (including heat) that it is vaporized (or perhaps more accurately disintegrated) leaving only a shadowy residue upon the nearest intact surface in line with the body and the blast from the accelerated molecular ash from the incineration. I've seen some scary scenes in movies such as "the terminator" where the producers attempted to create visuals of the event, but the real process is so fast as to be nearly instantaneous, like the blink of an eye.
God doesn't need a nuke to do such devastation. There is far more energy in our atmosphere on any given day than that produced by the biggest nuke ever made. God directs things as He sees fit and He can use natural means to accomplish the type of destruction described in scripture, or He can simply let go of the particles of the universe (or some subset of them) which He keeps together by His will and simply cause matter to disintegrate. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but Eric Von Daniken used similar logic in his series of books about the "Chariot of the Gods" and I'm convinced that he was wrong.
Warfare is certainly a big part of God's judgment against sinful men, but I've heard of weapons research that has produced horrible "plagues" with no more than amplified sound at the correct frequencies to break intermolecular bonds in organic tissue (and cause a consequent "melting" of the tissue.)
Visions, even prophetic ones, are strange things and usually more symbolic than literal. For example, Peter was given a vision of a large number of unclean animals presented to him on something like a large sheet and told to "kill and eat." This wasn't a command from God for Peter to literally go out and eat foods considered unclean under the law, but was a way of God showing Peter that the gentiles chosen by Him were indeed made clean and that Peter shouldn't treat them as unclean. That meaning is pretty far from the actual vision, so why assume that the curse of the flying scroll is anything more than a curse ( a set of words proclaiming doom for unbelievers and liars) since that is what a scroll is used for (that is for containing written words). Remember, the scripture says that Jesus became a curse for us (not that He is accursed but was treated as cursed in substitution for us). The scroll has two sides, one for law and one for grace. Those that reject law are judged by the Law, and those that reject grace are judged by their rejection of the gospel; the end for both groups is the same.
We can focus our attention on worldly matters, but ultimately the Lord is more concerned with eternal matters. We are here for a very short time, but when we enter into eternity some things are entirely different and the things of the world won't matter much. Its hard for us to focus upon things which we haven't seen and in some ways haven't comprehended, but we can focus on the journey with the final destination in mind and this has little to do with those things which must come upon the earth.
 

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Thanks Michael.
When I read Bible prophecy, unless what is said is obviously allegorical or a metaphor, I see it as literal. Unless making it literal is impossible, as Bible commentators from even only 20 years or so, saw Zechariah 5. But now, we know such things ARE possible.
Iran has supplied their proxies with thousands of rockets and they are actively pursuing a missile program.

In the OP, I show how the Lord will cause the attackers of Israel to be destroyed by their own weapons. He will achieve this by the means of an Electro Magnetic Pulse from a explosion of the sun. More details on my logostelos website.

It is right to be concerned about our salvation, but there is so much prophecy in the Bible, it is not right to ignore it.
 

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keras said:
Thanks Michael.
When I read Bible prophecy, unless what is said is obviously allegorical or a metaphor, I see it as literal. Unless making it literal is impossible, as Bible commentators from even only 20 years or so, saw Zechariah 5. But now, we know such things ARE possible.
Iran has supplied their proxies with thousands of rockets and they are actively pursuing a missile program.

In the OP, I show how the Lord will cause the attackers of Israel to be destroyed by their own weapons. He will achieve this by the means of an Electro Magnetic Pulse from a explosion of the sun. More details on my logostelos website.

It is right to be concerned about our salvation, but there is so much prophecy in the Bible, it is not right to ignore it.
I find the study of prophecy very interesting, especially where it reveals Christ and the Church, and there is nothing that I ignore though I admittedly don't understand everything. I'm of the opinion that the Lord has only revealed to the Church those things that we need to know and at the times that we need to know them, but a discipline like systematic theology requires that we delve into scripture to find the meaning of everything that we possibly can. That's probably why I have no interest in being a "theologian" (as I understand the term used). The problem with "theology" as an academic discipline lay in the necessity of relying upon our own understanding or that of other "theologians" to interpret those things which the Holy Spirit hasn't explicitly taught us. I see the purpose of scripture as being the source of our faith, leading us to Christ, and then transforming our thinking as we ponder the significance of various passages, not as some text book from which we can glean an understanding of all that God has said or done. The scripture tells us that God's purpose for us, for our lives at least, is to know Him and cling to Him. The Bible introduces us to the concept of who He is, but it is the work of His Spirit to reveal Himself to us in the person of His Son, and the knowledge of intimate relationship doesn't come by means of reading a book, but through experience, as in walking with God. These things being said, I believe that the Lord wants us to understand the times that we live in, to be prepared for His coming, and to be busy about His work.
I don't want to be misunderstood in this and lead people to believe that I don't value the study of scripture. I've always had the desire to understand things both physical and spiritual, and that which I value the most is understanding God's word, but that in itself doesn't make me a better person. The Holy Spirit is He who sanctifies us by His presence and He uses His word in our lives to do just that. I spend more time writing in "end time" forums than anywhere else not because I have a great fascination for the subject, but because the end times started with the death and resurrection of our Lord and I do believe that the return of our Savior is imminent. Its also the mental playground where the adversary is inclined to labor since error introduced will distract us from God's purposes in us. However, it isn't my place to judge a brother's chosen work or its merits, "the day" itself will judge our works and their value.
Now that I've put in my two cents (and then some) I'll leave you to your discussions and I hope and pray that it benefits the Church in bringing growth and understanding of His ways and His judgments.
BTW: I'm certainly no expert on nuclear weaponry though I have had a basic introduction to their design, but I've spent the largest part of my life working as an electronics technician (mostly radio repair work) and I have an understanding of the physics behind an EMP: An EMP is a high power, broad banded pulse of electromagnetic radiation which generally has enough amplitude to destroy semiconductor gates or junctions (the boundary between two semiconductor substrates that gives the semiconductor its amplification or switching functionality). This renders the components inoperative by either opening them up or shorting them out until they burn open. This will not set off the trigger mechanism of a nuclear device, but will render it inoperative. Nor will this cause a nuclear device to reach a fission or fusion state as such devices require an initial compression explosion to implode fissionable matter to a compressed mass greater than the critical mass of a fission reaction (which is required first even in a fusion type weapon.) An EMP would only excite the electrons in the fissionable material to a higher energy state from which they would return with the emission of low level energies in the same manner as a common clay brick. No explosions, no destruction, just a bunch of dud weapons. Many years ago I read an article in Scientific American about the improbabilities of nuclear warfare which discussed some of these issues because an initial first strike would quite likely render further combat impossible until the required electronics for the devices were replaced. The physics are relatively simple, but if you aren't familiar with electromagnetic phenomena and nuclear reactions its easy to misunderstand cause and effect and jump to incorrect assumptions.
 

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Re: EMP effects.
I am no electronics expert, but I do know the Bible prophesies. When they say the Lord will make His enemies weapons recoil upon their own heads, I believe that He will do just that. Being the Maker of all there is, He will know exactly how to achieve it.
Joel 3:4, Psalm 7:12-15, Psalm 64:7-9, Obadiah 15, Hab. 3:14
 

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keras said:
Re: EMP effects.
I am no electronics expert, but I do know the Bible prophesies. When they say the Lord will make His enemies weapons recoil upon their own heads, I believe that He will do just that. Being the Maker of all there is, He will know exactly how to achieve it.
Joel 3:4, Psalm 7:12-15, Psalm 64:7-9, Obadiah 15, Hab. 3:14
The Lord can do whatever He wants in heaven or upon the earth, but teaching doctrines that include obvious error coming from a lack of understanding only contributes to the world's view that Christians are uninformed, ignorant, and superstitious at best, crazy at worst. Our Lord is concerned with us "speaking truth" so its best that we thoroughly research those things which we imagine to be true about the world when we try to rationalize prophecy and understand it in carnal ways. I've been guilty at times of repeating "hear say" without verifying the truth of a matter, but I attempt to be true to the facts when using worldly examples in the application of scripture. It doesn't serve Christ's purposes to proclaim error as truth, or to mix error with truth, and for such things I'm sure that we'll suffer some sort of eternal loss in the judgment, but thanks be to God that in believing Him we have passed out of judgment and that our judgment is only to the purpose of reward.