Theory of Evolution

Dcopymope said:

I personally believe the entire space program is absolute balderdash. I seriously doubt they ever went anywhere beyond earths orbit, but that's just me.

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ha well being raised in Houston that perspective is a bit harder to come by for me; but we won't have to guess too much longer. It takes a telescope with a resolution of...well nevermind that, the point is we have one coming online now with that resolution, and i think there are discussions and even petitions and whatnot to resolve Armstrong's footprint first. Not sure why ppl wouldn't be satisfied just resolving the lander platform, it's a lot bigger? but i guess the arg was it could have been unmanned or something.

many laser verifications of reflectors on the moon at least, on YT, etc.
can't say that i see any benefit to humans in the deal though. Microwave ovens maybe lol

pia said:

I am a full believer that all of this earth has the ability to adapt because God Blessed it all.....To Bless, means 'To empower to prosper, grow, make more'.....everywhere on this earth we look, we see this clearly...But I do not believe that one kind of animal suddenly decided to become another, with a ready made female and food supply already ready for their new form...does that make sense ?

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hmm. "Which came first?" is an ancient question pia, the chicken or the egg? No animals shape-shift in the manner we imagine, but all animals drift according to their environment, is the current best theory i guess. It is human thinking to imagine no change in nature, and the real Q is why are we evolving so quickly?

fwiw i'll tell you that many ppl become interested in science specifically bc they hold your perspective, and they set out to disprove some theory or other. So while i understand how normal it is to suppose that every scientist ever is automatically a godless pagan and committed to disproving God, that just doesn't reflect reality very well imo. There is a scientist for every theory ok. Scientists postulated the Big Bang, and scientists found all of the water hiding in ringwoodite inside the planet, etc.

there are no hidden conspiracies, at least ones that stay hidden for long.
"Conspiracy" ends up mostly meaning "something you are not aware of yet."
now at the same time, everything we "know" is more or less wrong, but possibly the best way to reveal this truth is to point out that we pretty much all at least tacitly accept Manifest Destiny no prob, see. Or accept that dollars are money, right, instead of promissory notes? So the truth is usually out there, and it becomes a matter of "how much pain/cognitive dissonance can you take?"

another perspective there is we had no probs once believing in santa or easter bunnies, right? And learning the truth there kind of shuts down our belief mechanisms in a way, too. We then tend to completely dismiss any mundane "miracles," but then we largely accept the hocus-pocus of a pastor who assures us that God wants us to believe in the Death Cult, see, believing that he has the imprimatur of God for some reason? Why? didn't the same ppl teach you santa claus, aren't the same ppl about to celebrate Fertility instead of Passover?

so it can be seen to be hypocrisy to doubt species drift/change while denying how your own belief system can drift, see.
actually the one kind of = the other

pia said:

If this wasn't a Christian forum, I'd have a beauty for this lol.......Yeah I do know there are times when a single word can make all the difference in a perception of a thing....many times the Lord has helped me with this....
The way I have been able to comprehend it, Adam was kinda a generic term for a human being....I noticed that the female wasn't given a name until after the fall, and the name Adam became his.
Jesus being the Last Adam, the last human bound by the original sin, and the first human having God Spirit within, therefore the first of Gods New Creation.....Anyway, so far, that's where I am...

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nice
big clue there, @ "Eve was named after the fall" imo. If you start over, and put yourself in the place of Adam, Eve becomes you, also, because we are all of two minds, right, you have a male, logical side and a female, emotional side, etc.
change your perspective iow, and just toss any perspectives that don't produce fruit along the way; your old perspective is not going anywhere in the interim, after all--it will always be there. You are Adam and Eve, imo

pia said:

If this wasn't a Christian forum, I'd have a beauty for this

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i doubt you'll get zapped for an honest reflection here lol

pia said:

I am a full believer that all of this earth has the ability to adapt because God Blessed it all.....To Bless, means 'To empower to prosper, grow, make more'.....everywhere on this earth we look, we see this clearly...But I do not believe that one kind of animal suddenly decided to become another, with a ready made female and food supply already ready for their new form...does that make sense ?

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dunno if this will make any sense or not, but doing things "religiously"--which used to mean "by rote, automatically, in a well-worn track, without exception"--might be perceived for its connection to doing things by instinct, or even tradition, and while none of these are intrinsically evil, imo they reveal determinism for what it really is.

What if we are a distorted echo.......

Ringing through infinite parallel universes.....

Every universe a new distortion......

bbyrd009 said:

Which came first?" is an ancient question pia, the chicken or the egg

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Hahaha, yeah that's been a real head scratcher hasn't it ? From what I have learned of God so far, and about His Word and how it is a creative force, I do suppose He could have created either first , it would have been easy.
However, we are informed from the Bible that certain beings, God gave the breath of Life to....So if we go by that, He must have made the chickens first, male and female...Then once He blessed them ( along with the rest ) it became able to 'be blessed', to reproduce themselves and make more, also male and female....Obviously He would have had to create all of the basic food sources first, and they along with all else, received the ability to prosper, reproduce and make more, but they did not have the breath of live in them, so they could have easily just started as seeds that then ' the earth brought forth', when God commanded it to be so....

Eggs need to be kept at body temperature

bbyrd009 said:

fwiw i'll tell you that many ppl become interested in science specifically bc they hold your perspective, and they set out to disprove some theory or other.

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I have actually never approached any of these things as me disproving anything......I kind of got thrown into the deep end of discovery ( from my perspective ) when I found out that I and indeed my entire family, couldn't have been more wrong, when it came to God and Jesus, Heaven, it's opposite and angels and so on........
So I started out with a few things which were revealed to me as Truth, replacing what I had previously believed, and I went on a still going journey of discovery of truth.
Fairly early in the 'piece' on one occasion Jesus was standing directly in front of me, and He took His hands and put them outward, flat, one higher in the air than the other, but above one another, and He said this to me :" You can virtually take everything you think you know and....." He then just flipped His hands over, so they were now opposite to one another to before.
There is no way in this world I would be able to count the amount of times, that this has been shown to be true to me, as well as me remembering Him saying that, each time I encounter something new, wherein this same thing applies.
So not a search on how to disprove other people, but just a continuation of discovery of more truth in my life, and to replace those things I had previously not understood correctly, with the revealed Truth.
Obviously there are times when I come across something which simply isn't true, and some of those times, I may try to write or say what I have been shown to be true, to try to be a help when I can see someone has been led astray a little or whatever it may be....and I am always very very careful not to speak out of turn, as I full well know that I have to able to face Jesus, any day, anywhere.....I simply could not look into His eyes, if I had lied to one of His or to anyone about Him.....Surely you can understand that ?
I do get misunderstood a fair bit....A lot of the time because I just get lumped in with people who are only interested in telling others what to do and other times just because they want to be seen as 'I am the best' sort of thing, and somehow they see me as some form of threat to them, as indeed I have seen happen to a couple of other believers over the years........I abhor it when folks turn it into some sort of competition, that is very unbecoming....

bbyrd009 said:

So the truth is usually out there,

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It certainly is, but it is not all accessible to us yet.......I honestly believe it would give most people a nervous breakdown and blow our brains a bit, if all the truth was suddenly revealed to us.....It would be far too much for us to take in at once, because there is so much to it, and some of it so very different from our physical existence and world....I remember twice where the Lord permitted me a glimpse (super quick) of what I can't even possibly put into words, neither in English or Danish....One was a sort of limitless-ness, which was in response to a dialogue we'd just had, and it helped me understand what we can ask of God.......The other was a nano second of His Greatness/vastness/Glory......I do believe that I would have quite happily 'died' if it had gone on for any longer than it did, as I recall being aware of not even breathing ( I was 'frozen', euphorically paralyzed to the spot for a little while after) and not caring if I ever did again....As I said, this may sound crazy, but that's only because it's so impossible to describe with words.......I do know this.......Anyone can have a real relationship with Jesus, that part is really up to us...many I know will protest, but that's just because they see it as a form of favoritism and somehow beyond the Bible......He is there for anyone who reaches out or calls out for Him, if they could but believe it

bbyrd009 said:

actually the one kind of = the other

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Evolutionists have claimed over the past century and a half, that somehow a being which was a fish with gills and no lungs nor legs one day 'decided' to go up on land to check it out, then decided it was nice and wanted to stay, so then grew legs, lungs and got rid of the gills, then began eating very different food....Not only that, it also managed to 'talk' a female into doing likewise and both become mammals....I saw a show where they claimed it went something like this..... from a fish to a hippo like beast, back to the ocean to become a whale like creature then finally another change back to the land to then become what became similar to what we now call a horse.
Now to me this sounds so very much more fantastical than the account of the 7 day creation in the Bible, and of course, we have no proof that it actually did just take 7 days.
So for me, it's always, back to the Lord to do more asking, and then waiting til the time comes when He's ready to fill in a few more blanks...Like this enormous, wondrous, multi layered jig saw puzzle, which I am sure will not run out of questions for me before I get to be with Him permanently.....wonderful ...such an adventure !

bbyrd009 said:

perspectives that don't produce fruit along the way

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Therein another very important clue...I agree we are all part of Adam and Eve, after all, Adam contained all of the 'seed' in him, for all the following generations, starting with, from what we are told, Cain and Abel...So in Adams physical being, in his physical testicles ( sorry for being blunt) were produced the seeds to keep the human race going, which would be passed onto other males born, and on and on we went til the present day.
But what Jesus did, gave us the opportunity to become part of Gods New Creation, one which doesn't rely on that human seed component, but rather the Seed from God, passed onto us by and through Jesus and the Holy Spirit...Jesus gives us the seed which has the Life in it, and the Holy Spirit brings what else is needed to make it grow and prosper along with the Word... So yeah, our physical beings are 'Adam' in a sense, but not so with our new man.

bbyrd009 said:

i doubt you'll get zapped for an honest reflection here lol

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I'm not so sure about that bbyrd lol....Any chance I could get your real first name ?

bbyrd009 said:

s connection to doing things by instinct,

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Seeking a higher power might be put down to instinct, but I do not regard doctrines and traditions as instinct...Just my opinion

pia said:

I was 'frozen', euphorically paralyzed to the spot for a little while after

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i guess this is the only reaction possible from a human, coming into contact with God? also useful for detecting where others are coming from where God is concerned i guess

pia said:

Evolutionists have claimed over the past century and a half, that somehow a being which was a fish with gills and no lungs nor legs one day 'decided' to go up on land to check it out, then decided it was nice and wanted to stay, so then grew legs, lungs and got rid of the gills, then began eating very different food...

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well, all i can say there is that they did not theorize this apropos of nothing; and of course many other scientists immediately set out to prove them wrong, too. Yet the theory persists. Imo a bit less literal reading of "dust of the earth" helps there, too, but i guess first one has to confront their desire to believe in miracles? And most believers are not inclined to do this i guess

yet we all understand "The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you" i guess right

bbyrd009 said:

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well, all i can say there is that they did not theorize this apropos of nothing; and of course many other scientists immediately set out to prove them wrong, too. Yet the theory persists. Imo a bit less literal reading of "dust of the earth" helps there, too, but i guess first one has to confront their desire to believe in miracles? And most believers are not inclined to do this i guess

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The world doesn't have a problem believing in miracles, as long as that miracle excludes God. I'm sure this was the purpose of evolution getting taught as establishment science to start with.

pia said:

Like this enormous, wondrous, multi layered jig saw puzzle, which I am sure will not run out of questions for me before I get to be with Him permanently

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hmm. for this i'd suggest more reflection @ "Life, more abundantly," and also maybe go watch "This is the maximum level of being with me." Maybe with the understanding that "knowledge brings sorrow."

Putting oneself in Esau's place helps here too, i think;
Genesis 25:30 Lexicon: and Esau said to Jacob, "Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished." Therefore his name was called Edom.
emphasis mine
but of course as new believers we are immediately prevented from doing this, right
we are led to associate ourselves with Jacob, the deceiver, the supplanter, he who takes hold of the heel, etc right
"BDB Theological Dictionary and NOBSE Study Bible Name List both read Supplanter. BDB adds Heel, Overreach, One Closely Following. Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names reads He Will Supplant, A Heeler, One Who Trips Up or Takes Hold By The Heel.

Besides in Genesis 27:36, he word יעקב occurs twice as regular word in the text: in Job 37:4 it's used in the sense of 'he holds back [thunderings]' and in Jeremiah 9:4 as meaning 'deal craftily' (NAS) or 'will supplant' (KJV)." The amazing name Jacob: meaning and etymology

pia said:

Therein another very important clue...I agree we are all part of Adam and Eve, after all, Adam contained all of the 'seed' in him, for all the following generations, starting with, from what we are told, Cain and Abel...So in Adams physical being, in his physical testicles ( sorry for being blunt) were produced the seeds to keep the human race going, which would be passed onto other males born, and on and on we went til the present day.
But what Jesus did, gave us the opportunity to become part of Gods New Creation, one which doesn't rely on that human seed component, but rather the Seed from God, passed onto us by and through Jesus and the Holy Spirit...Jesus gives us the seed which has the Life in it, and the Holy Spirit brings what else is needed to make it grow and prosper along with the Word... So yeah, our physical beings are 'Adam' in a sense, but not so with our new man.

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for that i would contemplate avoiding the leap right to Jesus that our pastors counsel, and progress to Cain and Abel; since that is where Scripture takes us, right.

Assuming Eve has been assimilated at that point btw. A good time for that is the next time you are "of two minds" about something, perhaps. "...the two become one" etc

that it was only Seth who was deemed to be created in Adam's image should proceed from that, but get Cain and Abel first imo, again completely negating anything some pastor told you; at least if that pastor is ordained, or assuring others of some higher reality after literal death, in open defiance of Scripture. For money of course, that is always accompanied by money; ha, not even money--loans made at interest.

and i don't mean to portray anyone as evil, or deserving retribution or anything; neither would i pay much attention to the insistence of a toddler telling me that babies come from storks or whatever lol

pia said:

I'm not so sure about that bbyrd lol....Any chance I could get your real first name ?

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Mark, my info is all available on my profile page tho
(SS # on request!)