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A think a reading of the passage - without my admixture - would be better...
OK so let's read the passage:


Ephesians 6:10-16
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.
11Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
14Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,
15and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;
16in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit


In chapter 6 of Ephesians, Paul is telling everyone how they should behave. Children, parents, slaves, slave owners.

In verse 10 Paul tells everyone, even us, that are strength is to come from God,,,the Holy Spirit inside of us.

And we'll be needing this strength because we are not fighting against flesh and blood,,,IOW, persons, but we are fighting with unseen spirits, satan and the evil ones that follow him (the evil angels) and they are the rulers of the unseen world.

So to fight them off we are to use:
The Truth of God as taught in the N.T.
We need to be approved by God by His breastplate.
We are to preach the good news: That everyone can be saved by God.
We need our faith.
We need our salvation; and to stand firm on it.
We need the sword of the Spirit...which is the word of God.

Remember when Jesus was in the desert right after He was baptized...
Satan attacked Him,,,and how did Jesus respond?
With His faith and the Word of God. (from the O.T.).


I hope that you start reading the bible on your own and start to understand it really well so that you can actually explain verses. This is a good thing to be able to do so that you can test everything anyone says with the word of God.
 

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As a believer in the Rapture, I would see 'a while' as referring to time between now and the Rapture (1 Thess. 4); the believer's tribulation (John 16.33) and suffering is not to be ended by some meritorious, ecstatic state of tranquility that I can supposedly earn.

This appears to be a common misconception; that we will not be made perfect until the moment we die.

But this seems to me to make the goal death, since if we desire to be sanctified to the point that we might no longer be afflicted in our conscience over besetting sins, the only way to be wholly sanctified in this manner, as some people set it forth, is to physically die.

It appears to me to make suicide a desirable option.

And yet suicide is not desirable to me; because I know that physical death is not the only doorway into entire sanctification.

He says, you will be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and Faithful is he that calleth you; who also will do it. in context of the promise that we might be sanctified wholly.

I don't know why it is so hard for some people to receive this truth of the holy scriptures. It seems that the moment a person reads the verse, it immediately pops out of their head as if they hadn't even read it. The verses are 1 Thess. 5:23-24 (kjv). They teach that the God of peace is able to sanctify us wholly; and that He also will do it. I think that the only ones who wouldn't like that promise are those who haven't repented and who want to keep their sins a long while longer.

God said in 1 Peter 5:10 that He would "make you perfect", not that He would "take you home to heaven."
 
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Therefore any errors found intranslations are not due to the 'words' given to the Apostles by inspiration but due to man's error in translating those inspired words.


As bbyrd009 says .... WORD!!

Yes amen... I think we all agree on that point ...well maybe not all...maybe all 'but one' :D

Well said bro.
 
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Okay. I very rarely quote Ellen White due the biases prevalent within the Christian world against her, and which I fully understand .I am not holding her up as an authority, but there are instances where her writings I believe bring clarity on certain subjects. On the matter if the inspiration of the scriptures, here is a sample of her views. Keep in mind that elsewhere she always upheld the scripture as the final authority on all doctrine, faith, and practice.
During the first twenty-five hundred years of human history, there was no written revelation.Those who had been taught of God, communicated their knowledge to others, and it was handed down from father to son, through successive generations. The preparation of the written word began in the time of Moses. Inspired revelations were then embodied in an inspired book.This work continued during the long period of sixteen hundred years—from Moses, the historian of creation and the law, to John, the recorder of the most sublime truths of the gospel.
The Bible points to God as its author; yet it was written by human hands; and in the varied style of its different books it presents the characteristics of the several writers.The truths revealed are all “given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); yet they are expressed in the words of men. The Infinite One by His Holy Spirit has shed light into the minds and hearts of His servants. He has given dreams and visions, symbols and figures; and those to whom the truth was thus revealed have themselves embodied the thought in human language.
The Ten Commandments were spoken by God Himself, and were written by His own hand. They are of divine, and not of human composition. But the Bible, with its God-given truths expressed in the language of men, presents a union of the divine and the human. Such a union existed in the nature of Christ, who was the Son of God and the Son of man. Thus it is true of the Bible, as it was of Christ, that “the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” John 1:14.
Written in different ages, by men who differed widely in rank and occupation, and in mental and spiritual endowments, the books of the Bible present a wide contrast in style, as well as a diversity in the nature of the subjects unfolded.Different forms of expression are employed by different writers; often the same truth is more strikingly presented by one than by another.And as several writers present a subject under varied aspects and relations, there may appear, to the superficial, careless, or prejudiced reader, to be discrepancy or contradiction, where the thoughtful, reverent student, with clearer insight, discerns the underlying harmony.
As presented through different individuals, the truth is brought out in its varied aspects. One writer is more strongly impressed with one phase of the subject; he grasps those points that harmonize with his experience or with his power of perception and appreciation; another seizes upon a different phase; and each, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, presents what is most forcibly impressed upon his own mind—a different aspect of the truth in each, but a perfect harmony through all.And the truths thus revealed unite to form a perfect whole, adapted to meet the wants of men in all the circumstances and experiences of life.
God has been pleased to communicate His truth to the world by human agencies, and He Himself, by His Holy Spirit, qualified men and enabled them to do this work. He guided the mind in the selection of what to speak and what to write. The treasure was entrusted to earthen vessels, yet it is, nonetheless, from Heaven. The testimony is conveyed through the imperfect expression of human language, yet it is the testimony of God; and the obedient, believing child of God beholds in it the glory of a divine power, full of grace and truth.
In His word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. “Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, R.V.
Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings.And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the word.
The Spirit was not given—nor can it ever be bestowed—to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20
 

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Okay. I very rarely quote Ellen White due the biases prevalent within the Christian world against her, and which I fully understand .I am not holding her up as an authority, but there are instances where her writings I believe bring clarity on certain subjects. On the matter if the inspiration of the scriptures, here is a sample of her views. Keep in mind that elsewhere she always upheld the scripture as the final authority on all doctrine, faith, and practice.
During the first twenty-five hundred years of human history, there was no written revelation.Those who had been taught of God, communicated their knowledge to others, and it was handed down from father to son, through successive generations. The preparation of the written word began in the time of Moses. Inspired revelations were then embodied in an inspired book.This work continued during the long period of sixteen hundred years—from Moses, the historian of creation and the law, to John, the recorder of the most sublime truths of the gospel.
The Bible points to God as its author; yet it was written by human hands; and in the varied style of its different books it presents the characteristics of the several writers.The truths revealed are all “given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); yet they are expressed in the words of men. The Infinite One by His Holy Spirit has shed light into the minds and hearts of His servants. He has given dreams and visions, symbols and figures; and those to whom the truth was thus revealed have themselves embodied the thought in human language.
The Ten Commandments were spoken by God Himself, and were written by His own hand. They are of divine, and not of human composition. But the Bible, with its God-given truths expressed in the language of men, presents a union of the divine and the human. Such a union existed in the nature of Christ, who was the Son of God and the Son of man. Thus it is true of the Bible, as it was of Christ, that “the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” John 1:14.
Written in different ages, by men who differed widely in rank and occupation, and in mental and spiritual endowments, the books of the Bible present a wide contrast in style, as well as a diversity in the nature of the subjects unfolded.Different forms of expression are employed by different writers; often the same truth is more strikingly presented by one than by another.And as several writers present a subject under varied aspects and relations, there may appear, to the superficial, careless, or prejudiced reader, to be discrepancy or contradiction, where the thoughtful, reverent student, with clearer insight, discerns the underlying harmony.
As presented through different individuals, the truth is brought out in its varied aspects. One writer is more strongly impressed with one phase of the subject; he grasps those points that harmonize with his experience or with his power of perception and appreciation; another seizes upon a different phase; and each, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, presents what is most forcibly impressed upon his own mind—a different aspect of the truth in each, but a perfect harmony through all.And the truths thus revealed unite to form a perfect whole, adapted to meet the wants of men in all the circumstances and experiences of life.
God has been pleased to communicate His truth to the world by human agencies, and He Himself, by His Holy Spirit, qualified men and enabled them to do this work. He guided the mind in the selection of what to speak and what to write. The treasure was entrusted to earthen vessels, yet it is, nonetheless, from Heaven. The testimony is conveyed through the imperfect expression of human language, yet it is the testimony of God; and the obedient, believing child of God beholds in it the glory of a divine power, full of grace and truth.
In His word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. “Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, R.V.
Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings.And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the word.
The Spirit was not given—nor can it ever be bestowed—to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20
OK...
I couldn't read all of it.
Did you know that if you hit the enter key twice it'll actually make a paragraph!

I read about half way through and that woman, whoever she is, is right on.
All scholars know this stuff, not that she invented this.

I'm sorry I couldn't finish it....
 
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Okay. I very rarely quote Ellen White due the biases prevalent within the Christian world against her, and which I fully understand .I am not holding her up as an authority, but there are instances where her writings I believe bring clarity on certain subjects. On the matter if the inspiration of the scriptures, here is a sample of her views. Keep in mind that elsewhere she always upheld the scripture as the final authority on all doctrine, faith, and practice.
During the first twenty-five hundred years of human history, there was no written revelation.Those who had been taught of God, communicated their knowledge to others, and it was handed down from father to son, through successive generations. The preparation of the written word began in the time of Moses. Inspired revelations were then embodied in an inspired book.This work continued during the long period of sixteen hundred years—from Moses, the historian of creation and the law, to John, the recorder of the most sublime truths of the gospel.
The Bible points to God as its author; yet it was written by human hands; and in the varied style of its different books it presents the characteristics of the several writers.The truths revealed are all “given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); yet they are expressed in the words of men. The Infinite One by His Holy Spirit has shed light into the minds and hearts of His servants. He has given dreams and visions, symbols and figures; and those to whom the truth was thus revealed have themselves embodied the thought in human language.
The Ten Commandments were spoken by God Himself, and were written by His own hand. They are of divine, and not of human composition. But the Bible, with its God-given truths expressed in the language of men, presents a union of the divine and the human. Such a union existed in the nature of Christ, who was the Son of God and the Son of man. Thus it is true of the Bible, as it was of Christ, that “the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” John 1:14.
Written in different ages, by men who differed widely in rank and occupation, and in mental and spiritual endowments, the books of the Bible present a wide contrast in style, as well as a diversity in the nature of the subjects unfolded.Different forms of expression are employed by different writers; often the same truth is more strikingly presented by one than by another.And as several writers present a subject under varied aspects and relations, there may appear, to the superficial, careless, or prejudiced reader, to be discrepancy or contradiction, where the thoughtful, reverent student, with clearer insight, discerns the underlying harmony.
As presented through different individuals, the truth is brought out in its varied aspects. One writer is more strongly impressed with one phase of the subject; he grasps those points that harmonize with his experience or with his power of perception and appreciation; another seizes upon a different phase; and each, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, presents what is most forcibly impressed upon his own mind—a different aspect of the truth in each, but a perfect harmony through all.And the truths thus revealed unite to form a perfect whole, adapted to meet the wants of men in all the circumstances and experiences of life.
God has been pleased to communicate His truth to the world by human agencies, and He Himself, by His Holy Spirit, qualified men and enabled them to do this work. He guided the mind in the selection of what to speak and what to write. The treasure was entrusted to earthen vessels, yet it is, nonetheless, from Heaven. The testimony is conveyed through the imperfect expression of human language, yet it is the testimony of God; and the obedient, believing child of God beholds in it the glory of a divine power, full of grace and truth.
In His word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. “Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, R.V.
Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings.And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the word.
The Spirit was not given—nor can it ever be bestowed—to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20


Did Ellen G. White believe in paragraphs, do you think?
 

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OK...
I couldn't read all of it.
Did you know that if you hit the enter key twice it'll actually make a paragraph!

I read about half way through and that woman, whoever she is, is right on.
All scholars know this stuff, not that she invented this.

I'm sorry I couldn't finish it....


LOL I had the same criticism! :D Too late in the evening to confront that wall of type and wrestle it to the ground.
 
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OK...
I couldn't read all of it.
Did you know that if you hit the enter key twice it'll actually make a paragraph!

I read about half way through and that woman, whoever she is, is right on.
All scholars know this stuff, not that she invented this.

I'm sorry I couldn't finish it....


Ellen G. White was SDA. She was a bit of a legalist.
 

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I was drunk from age 14 to age 26. The first time I drank I got drunk. I did not stop drinking until I obtained medical help. I haven't been sober for 40 years, but for over 30.

"And such were some of you . . ."

I'm not an alcoholic. I'm a child of God.

We need to take what he says along with all the rest.



What does this mean exactly?

You are that same old person? Or your flesh is that same old person?

How are we to think of ourselves? And how does the message we tell ourselves affect us?

"I'm a sinner" so I sin . . . or . . . "I'm a righteous and holy child of God, so I do righteousness."
?

Much love!


It is Satan who tries to shame us into accepting his assessment of us--he is the "accuser of the brethren." But we have an Advocate in Christ and He will never permit those who are His to be accused.
 
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It is Satan who tries to shame us into accepting his assessment of us--he is the "accuser of the brethren" but we have an Advocate in Christ and He will never permit those who are His to be accused.

I find there are other "accusers of the brethren also".
 

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I find there are other "accusers of the brethren also".

Well, Satan uses any humans he can use, to do his dirty work. He used Peter to try to discourage Jesus--for which he was soundly rebuked, "Satan, get thee behind Me!"
 
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Yes amen... I think we all agree on that point ...well maybe not all...maybe all 'but one' :D

Isa 59:19, So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
 
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I wish someone would explain what a legalist is.
I've been called that and I don't believe I'm one.
Why? Because I believe God is to be obeyed and we should do every
deed for God......
Seems simple to me.

A legalist is anyone who is relying on "law, rules and regulations" (or even their own "goodness") for their salvation, rather than belief in the Son of God, Jesus the Messiah (without man-made additions). As such, I wouldn't say that Ellen G. White was exactly a "legalist" in the conventional sense that theologians mean when they say it. She affirmed in her writings that she believed that one was saved by faith in Jesus. But, she believed that those who worshiped on any day other than Saturday were definitely at risk of damnation. So, what emerges is that she believed in Jesus AND Saturday worship for salvation. This is in conflict with Romans 14:5 where Paul teaches liberty on the day chosen for worship.

White taught other things that were in conflict with Scripture. Tim Challies is a Christian blogger, writer, critical thinker, Church historian, and overall great Bible teacher. He has an excellent reputation among evangelicals for his incisive commentary on the current Christian scene. Here is his assessment of Ellen G. White and some of her troubling teachings: The False Teachers: Ellen G. White - Tim Challies

This is part of a series that Challies wrote on false teachers--the whole series is well worth a read. Be warned that Challies is a Calvinist--though not extreme in that regard. He admits that the largest proportion of Protestants are Arminian in their theology.
 
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Because I believe God is to be obeyed and we should do every
deed for God......
We cannot do every deed for God...

there is always a deed that we haven't done.

If someone else does a deed, then we end up coming short.

Of course,

I'm being facetious.
 

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Until we come to unity in the non-essentials as well as the essentials, there will always be division.

Non-essentials are more important than one might think, see Luke 16:10...

Luk 16:10, He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Amen and then again:

"Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes." Song of Solomon 2:15
 
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…........
But that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and since my flesh has not died (though a case can be made for dying to self, this is not what I am talking about), the old man is something that I need to put off every day.

I am the chief of sinners in my old nature...but because I am sanctified in Christ, my new nature is in control...the righteous me.

If I blow it and do something ungodly, the Lord still declares me righteous because of my faith...Romans 4:5...but that blowing it is because in my flesh I am the chief of sinners...………………..
Even so, and consider also the reaction of Peter when walking the water. He took his eyes off of Jesus and became fearful of the fearsome tempest all around him...

"But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me." Matt 14:30

He called out to the Lord for help and so must we do when we recognize our errors and our weakness without Him.
Yes, as you have said, "the old man is something that I need to put off every day"! One day or even today will the new man in us finally kill that old man?
 

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There is always a spiritual conflict in the true believer. Romans 8 and Ephesians 6 make this clear.
And also here?

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1
 

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I do think, however, that some translations have it watered-down.
But do you not believe that God is able to get His message across in just about any translation to a person whose heart is hungering and thirsting for the right things?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6