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All of you are my family here....that's how I see it anywayHe is a bit rough at times....and I have to ask him to explain himself because half the time I don't have a clue as to what he is saying.
If you are going by the principles of sub-atomic physics and chemistry, then nothing is as solid as it appears. But it is real nonetheless.
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In those passages, the one sea is the waters above, and the other sea is the waters below. Genesis 1:7
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not sure about that Scott as those passages tell a lot. the creation account... as you said there is “history” and then a greater to be seen even in Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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i dont blame you, ok, but i only wish you could feel the same way about those who have indoctrinated you into Apollos worship in a dress, my brother. But for many of my past remarks i owe you an apology, fwiw.
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GINOLJC, to all.
PICJAG.
we must disagree with that assessment, for clearly our Lord was referring to Jonah. scripture, Matthew 12:38 "Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee." Matthew 12:39 "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:" Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
PICJAG.
Indeed, the blood is the life of us while the bones are the framework that supports us. Only Jesus of the three who died on Mt Calvary that day had no broken bones. Jesus allowed his blood to be shed so that others could partake of real Life, the Life which He was/is, but His bones were unbroken.
The above response was given at another time when a sign was asked for. In the John 2:13-22 Christ was responding to what authority He had to drive out all of the merchants operating within the Temple precincts. The witnesses at the trial of Jesus are reported to have claimed: -
Mark 14:57-59: - 57 Then some rose up and bore false witness against Him, saying, 58 "We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this temple made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.'" 59 But not even then did their testimony agree.
But what was said in John 2L18-21 is:-
John 2:18-21: - 18 So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?" 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?" 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
Where His Body is the "body of the saints" assembled as the Temple of God to worship God with Jesus.
So while your post above is technically right within its context, it is technically wrong in the context of the verses above quoted from John.
Shalom
Correct. Christ died before the expected time of death on the cross. Therefore His bones were not broken. What is also significant is that He died as the Passover Lamb, and God had commanded Israel to ensure than not a bone of that lamb would be broken: In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. (Exodus 12:46)
Whereas the blood of the Passover lamb was applied to the door posts and lintels, God applies the blood of Christ to our hearts and souls. and that is how we are washed with His blood.
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GINOLJC,to all. first thanks for the reply,
there is the full context of what the Lord Jesus said, and ment. so he was not speaking of the saint as his body, but his actual body rising from the dead.
PICJAG.
we must disagree with your assessment. as said, technically you're right about the body being the body of the saints. but you're technically wrong in the context, and here's why. just keep on reading, John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."
there is the full context of what the Lord Jesus said, and ment. so he was not speaking of the saint as his body, but his actual body rising from the dead.
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What you are suggesting is one possible way of understanding what was said in John 2:18-22 which then leads to the conclusion that you have reached, but, what is written in verse 22 could be simply understood that after Jesus' resurrection, that His disciples remembered that he had said this to them and they believed the scriptures and what Christ had said to them.
The Future temple will be the body of all of the righteous saints assembled together after the final Judgement to worship God. This future temple will be built by Christ after the passage of three days of the Lord. Which also fits the context of the passage.
Was Jesus speaking of three days governed by the rotation of the earth relative to the sun, or was Jesus speaking of three of the Lord in Godly terms.
Both understandings can be derived, from the same passage it depends on whether or not we believe that Christ's body is the temple of God or the assembly of the Saints after the GWTJ becomes the Temple of God at that time around 3,000 years into the future of the John 2:18-23 passage, when and where God will be worshipped.
I just happen to prefer the second option as the better way of looking at this passage from john 2.
Shalom
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I’m sorry for any derailment of your thread. It is a great topic. (Imo) you brought something significant to light in the above. Never saw it or related the seven in the above before, so thank you for sharing what He has shown.
This may help. A great promise given. A promise which in the past couple days has brought extreme hope in my own life and hopefully in yours also. It relates well to your topic (I think)and the above...your desire of “let me experience the fullness of the Holy Spirit in life.” It has to do with the ‘Living water’ and the River coming out from God’s throne. Consider The ‘Living water’ Is the Spirit of Righteousness coming out from God. He stood and cried out “If any thirst ...let him drink!” John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
If any drink of the Spirit of righteousness ...they will never thirst after righteousness again but be “filled” with the righteousness of God’s Spirit. It is a promise in “seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all this will be added...” His fulness!
Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
blessed are they which thirst after (His) righteousness...the ‘Living water’ for they shall be filled with the Spirit of righteousness! Philippians 1:11
Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Pure, peaceable, gentle, easily intreated, full (filled) with mercy and good fruit, without partiality, without hypocrisy...fruits of the Spirit of righteousness promised to those blessed who thirst to be filled with His righteousness...and they will Never thirst after righteousness again but be filled with His.
2 Peter 1:5-8 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; [6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. [8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
...(7 again)...Matthew 11:29
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
John 7:37-38 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
“...let me experience the fullness of the Holy Spirit in my life.”
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Like you indicates, Philippians 4.8 is another very similar verse...
Good to be engaged and immersed in ongoing Scripture reading and study, right?
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It's amazing how people can read things into scriptures when the scripture clearly say different.
but as the apostle wrote, let God be true and every man a lier.
PICJAG.
This could be true and the other people, who read the respective posts, may come to this conclusion through the words we have both posted and the manner in presenting those words and understandings.
Now who will be right in their understanding of the context of the John 2 passage, only time will reveal as the truth of God's words are finally revealed to us.
In todays context, the "Church" is the people of God doing the things God calls them to do. The "Church Building" where the people of God meet TOGETHER to offer up their sacrifice of Praise is not the Church.
Shalom
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first thanks for the reply
John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."
with that we leave you with rev 22:11. Good day.
PICJAG.
that has been don, again, John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."
John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."
with that we leave you with rev 22:11. Good day.
PICJAG.
I know that I am not right in all that I post, the question is, "Are you always right in what you post?"
On this particular passage, we may be both right and yet be wrong at the same time. Perhaps, we need to agree to disagree.
Shalom
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The temple of His body...
John 2:19-21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. [20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? [21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirt which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
^How long will it take Him to build (rear up)this Holy temple?
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