Is Any Denomination Saved?

Enow · Feb 17, 2020

Truther said:
The eunuch left Phillip without the Holy Ghost.

What? Read that again.

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

The eunuch was saved for why he was rejoicing.

No problem, the Lord has that stuff.

Not sure what you meant by that.

Also, the gift of known tongues per 1Cor 12 are not to be confused with unknown tongues of chapter 14.

Not really. 1 Cor 12 sets the precedent for how the manifestations were to operate and that was for the body withal and not for private use.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal....13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many..... 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Proof that tongues were not for private use.

Paul even gave the bottom line on tongues 1 Cor 14 just in case readers were reading between the lines for tongues for private use in 1 Cor 14.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Pray normally, brother, at that throne of grace for confirmation or reproof in your walk with Him if you value your relationship with Him. Then trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you see the truth in His words so you can discern spirits and tongues for private use as not of Him at all.

The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”

Since there was and still is a supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense, you need to test the spirits and the tongues they bring, because that kind of tongue was in the world before Pentecost and so that would make God a copy cat of Satan if He switched his mode of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native foreign tongue to speaking in confusion with no interpretation which God is not the author of.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

bbyrd009 · Feb 17, 2020

marksman said:
What sin?

um, the sin of discussing heaven as a future literal place and representing it as Christianity? Bet it was early in his career, havent bothered to check tho. Id be surprised if this came out of him later, the cult of sol stuff? Ive heard most of his later stuff, if not all, dont recall any

Truther · Feb 17, 2020

Enow said:
What? Read that again.

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

The eunuch was saved for why he was rejoicing.

Not sure what you meant by that.

Not really. 1 Cor 12 sets the precedent for how the manifestations were to operate and that was for the body withal and not for private use.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal....13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many..... 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Proof that tongues were not for private use.

Paul even gave the bottom line on tongues 1 Cor 14 just in case readers were reading between the lines for tongues for private use in 1 Cor 14.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Pray normally, brother, at that throne of grace for confirmation or reproof in your walk with Him if you value your relationship with Him. Then trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you see the truth in His words so you can discern spirits and tongues for private use as not of Him at all.

The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”

Since there was and still is a supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense, you need to test the spirits and the tongues they bring, because that kind of tongue was in the world before Pentecost and so that would make God a copy cat of Satan if He switched his mode of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native foreign tongue to speaking in confusion with no interpretation which God is not the author of.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The eunuch was baptized into Christ by Phillip but did not yet receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
He was added to the Church by water baptism per Acts 2, baptized into Christ per Romans 6, but not Spirit filled at that point in time.
No problem. Folks get baptized all the time without the Spirit...just like the Samaritans in the same chapter did as the eunuch.
Thing is, man must do his part and God must do His part to unify God and man.

Regarding tongues, Paul said I pray in the spirit and pray with the understanding also.

This means praying in the spirit is non understanding to us.

Question, do you pray in the spirit and advocate the same to others?

I do.

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
The eunuch was baptized into Christ by Phillip but did not yet receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
He was added to the Church by water baptism per Acts 2, baptized into Christ per Romans 6, but not Spirit filled at that point in time.
No problem. Folks get baptized all the time without the Spirit...just like the Samaritans in the same chapter did as the eunuch.

To be born again of the Spirit is when a believer is saved and that is accomplished by believing in Jesus Christ.

Thing is, man must do his part and God must do His part to unify God and man.

Then Jesus is not the Savior? He can't save any one all by Himself? Jesus and water baptism are the saviors? Best discern what you're preaching.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

Pay attention because Jesus never mentions water baptism on how & when one is born again of the Spirit.

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?... 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Remember Mark 16:16? No water baptism above because Jesus was citing it is by believing in Him is the power of God in salvation for how one is born again of the Spirit and thus saved.

And no one is baptized into the body of Christ by water baptism. It is the baptism of the Holy Ghost that does that when believing in Him.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

No sinner is saved until they are born again of the Spirit.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Regarding tongues, Paul said I pray in the spirit and pray with the understanding also.

This means praying in the spirit is non understanding to us.

Paul is saying that when anyone speaks in tongue in church, including himself, they should be praying at the same time that someone else interprets that tongue being manifested thru themselves by the Holy Spirit because it is unfruitful to himself as a tongue speaker until someone else does. It is his spirit that is praying for that understanding, not the Holy Spirit praying.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

That is the message in context proving tongues is not supposed to be a stand alone gift at all for why he had been exhorting believers at the beginning of the chapter to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially over tongues when in comparison.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Question, do you pray in the spirit and advocate the same to others?

I do.

Not necessary, because ALL Bibles says in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself but ONLY speaks what He hears for why He cannot turn God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people around for His own use in uttering His incoherent intercessions which is confusion because it comes without interpretation for the tongue to be fruitful to the tongue speaker.

See all 5 versions of John 16:13 in KJV, NIV, ASV, ESV, & NASB saying the same thing at this link at Bible Gateway.

John 16:13 KJV;NIV;ASV;ESV;NASB - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, - Bible Gateway

The KJV has Romans 8:26-27 lined up with John 16:13 whereas the other modern Bibles does not because it implies sounds being heard and not silent at all as the KJV has it because not even His groanings can be uttered. In the KJV, the "he" is Jesus Christ that searches our hearts ( Hebrews 4:12-16 confirms ) and it is that "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit for how the silent intercessions of the Spirit is known to the Father because it is in according to the will of God that there be only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. It is the Son's job to give the Spirit's silent intercessions, our intercessions, and His own intercessions to the Father so that whenever the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. ( John 14:13-14 ) No one else can answer prayers; not Mary, not any of the departed saints, and not even the Holy Spirit because the Spirit gives that credit & glory to Jesus Christ per John 16:14-15 as it is His job to glorify the Son thru us to leading us to do the same, even in worship ( John 15:26-27 & 13:31-32 ).

Romans 8:26-27 is a testimony from God that the Holy Spirit in every believer makes silent intercessions for them for why the father knows everything before we even ask in prayer.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Something to ask Jesus about in normal prayer for confirmation that this is the truth in His words. I'll ask Him for you too.

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
The eunuch was baptized into Christ by Phillip but did not yet receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Also...

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

FollowHim · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
Those who abide in His words are the disciples that hear His voice to follow Him to be of that fold; the firstfruits of the resurrection.

Those who are not rooted in His words but in something else to follow a stranger's voice, are not of the fold that follow His voice, but yet He still must bring them because they are His sheep and He will go back for that lost one sheep over the 99 in the barn, and then they will be of the one fold and one Shepherd.

I am interested in how you believe the Lord will make a people who neither follow Him or listen to Him, to be His sheep, when by Jesus's definition they are not His sheep.

The Lord declared His people will turn to Him as a remnant, but they are His people.
Jesus will search for the lost sheep, but He will not force it back, it needs to choose to return.

There is a chorus that claims Jesus will kick the door down to find His sheep, when in truth, He will call and draw, but the sheep must respond.
I think people think of the film Taken as a story of Jesus and His skills, except Jesus does not work like this, the world does.

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

FollowHim said:
I am interested in how you believe the Lord will make a people who neither follow Him or listen to Him, to be His sheep, when by Jesus's definition they are not His sheep.

The Lord declared His people will turn to Him as a remnant, but they are His people.
Jesus will search for the lost sheep, but He will not force it back, it needs to choose to return.

There is a chorus that claims Jesus will kick the door down to find His sheep, when in truth, He will call and draw, but the sheep must respond.
I think people think of the film Taken as a story of Jesus and His skills, except Jesus does not work like this, the world does.

Saved believers can go astray for not being rooted in His words and thus not abiding in Him. Take the example for those in the holy laughter movement..

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So when I read John 10th chapter, I see saved believers going astray because they think they can receive the Holy Spirit again by that sign of tongues that never comes with interpretation because it is just gibberish nonsense hence "the stranger's voice ) by addressing the Holy Spirit directly in worship which is seen by God as climbing up another way when Jesus is the only way provided by God the father to approach Him by.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Now for John 10th chapter for the application of His words with His help.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

These saved believers believed the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit by a sign of tongues hence the stranger's voice. We read on that this is about deception in the church, leading believers away from the Bridegroom in coming to God by.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:.....

There is a fold that follows His voice and the fold that follows the stranger's voice. This explains why Jesus said what He did in verse 16 below.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

So unless these believers that went astray repent before the Bridegroom comes, they will be left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture event, but He must bring them because He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him. ( John 6:39-40 ). The unrepentant saints left behind will be resurrected after the great tribulation for how they will definitely hear His voice as the King of kings to follow Him in serving Him during the millennium reign of Christ thus be of the one fold and One Shepherd.

So verse 16 is why I see the other sheep as they were still called His sheep and yet they were not of the fold that follow His voice, but a stranger's voice are saved believers that went astray and are at risk of losing out on being of the firstfruits of the resurrection when the Bridegroom comes.

Granted, any believer goes astray by other means like per the works of Catholicism, or stopped being a believer because of the lie of the evolution theory, are still saved, but they are still called to depart from iniquity because that foundation is laid by Jesus Christ with that seal of adoption is why they need to repent to avoid becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House for when the Bridegroom comes.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Truther · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
Also...

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Is Galatians written to saints or sinners?

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
Is Galatians written to saints or sinners?

To saints that know what Paul is talking about because they all share in giving that same good report too that they had received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ; that they are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ for why tongues is not mentioned as an identifying factor.

Truther · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
To be born again of the Spirit is when a believer is saved and that is accomplished by believing in Jesus Christ.

Then Jesus is not the Savior? He can't save any one all by Himself? Jesus and water baptism are the saviors? Best discern what you're preaching.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

Pay attention because Jesus never mentions water baptism on how & when one is born again of the Spirit.

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?... 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Remember Mark 16:16? No water baptism above because Jesus was citing it is by believing in Him is the power of God in salvation for how one is born again of the Spirit and thus saved.

And no one is baptized into the body of Christ by water baptism. It is the baptism of the Holy Ghost that does that when believing in Him.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

No sinner is saved until they are born again of the Spirit.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul is saying that when anyone speaks in tongue in church, including himself, they should be praying at the same time that someone else interprets that tongue being manifested thru themselves by the Holy Spirit because it is unfruitful to himself as a tongue speaker until someone else does. It is his spirit that is praying for that understanding, not the Holy Spirit praying.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

That is the message in context proving tongues is not supposed to be a stand alone gift at all for why he had been exhorting believers at the beginning of the chapter to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, especially over tongues when in comparison.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Not necessary, because ALL Bibles says in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself but ONLY speaks what He hears for why He cannot turn God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people around for His own use in uttering His incoherent intercessions which is confusion because it comes without interpretation for the tongue to be fruitful to the tongue speaker.

See all 5 versions of John 16:13 in KJV, NIV, ASV, ESV, & NASB saying the same thing at this link at Bible Gateway.

John 16:13 KJV;NIV;ASV;ESV;NASB - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, - Bible Gateway

The KJV has Romans 8:26-27 lined up with John 16:13 whereas the other modern Bibles does not because it implies sounds being heard and not silent at all as the KJV has it because not even His groanings can be uttered. In the KJV, the "he" is Jesus Christ that searches our hearts ( Hebrews 4:12-16 confirms ) and it is that "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit for how the silent intercessions of the Spirit is known to the Father because it is in according to the will of God that there be only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. It is the Son's job to give the Spirit's silent intercessions, our intercessions, and His own intercessions to the Father so that whenever the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. ( John 14:13-14 ) No one else can answer prayers; not Mary, not any of the departed saints, and not even the Holy Spirit because the Spirit gives that credit & glory to Jesus Christ per John 16:14-15 as it is His job to glorify the Son thru us to leading us to do the same, even in worship ( John 15:26-27 & 13:31-32 ).

Romans 8:26-27 is a testimony from God that the Holy Spirit in every believer makes silent intercessions for them for why the father knows everything before we even ask in prayer.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Something to ask Jesus about in normal prayer for confirmation that this is the truth in His words. I'll ask Him for you too.

Who does the required repenting...God or man?

Who does the water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ...God or man?

Who does the preaching etc....God or man.

If you get man out of the salvation picture completely(no repentance, water baptism or preaching), please describe what is left in detail?

Thanks.

Truther · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
To saints that know what Paul is talking about because they all share in giving that same good report too that they had received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ; that they are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ for why tongues is not mentioned as an identifying factor.

To saints that speak with tongues?

Renniks · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
Plenty of water on earth. The majority of the world is under water. Plenty of it.
God will provide water since He commanded us to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins.
He provided the sacrifice, and He will provide the water for us to apply the sacrifice.
Fret not my friend.

BTW where does scripture tell you to sprinkle anyone? Where does it tell you to baptize babies? So many unbiblical practices in the Catholic Church.

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
Who does the required repenting...God or man?

Who does the water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ...God or man?

Who does the preaching etc....God or man.

If you get man out of the salvation picture completely(no repentance, water baptism or preaching), please describe what is left in detail?

Thanks.

How were we able to believe in Jesus Christ?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

So our believing in Him is a work of God the Father. The Father knows who is seeking Him from those that prefer their evil deeds.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The fact that we believe is a miracle from God the Father for why the power in God for salvation is by our believing in Jesus Christ.

marks · Feb 18, 2020

amadeus said:
Scripture does Not teach us:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

OK . . . do you understand what I'm saying here? Do I deny the Holy Spirit? Of course not!

Does the Holy Spirit teach us from the Bible? Of course He does.

BreadOfLife · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
Is Galatians written to saints or sinners?

Saints ARE sinners.
People who think they aren't sinners don't understand the Gospel.

BreadOfLife · Feb 18, 2020

Truther said:
Who does the required repenting...God or man?
Who does the water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ...God or man?
Who does the preaching etc....God or man.
If you get man out of the salvation picture completely(no repentance, water baptism or preaching), please describe what is left in detail?
Thanks.

A LOST soul

To actually believe that we do NOT participate in our salvation is to completely pervert the Word of God.
His grace requires our cooperation. I we don't cooperate with His saving grace - we don't get saved.

Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE NOT WILLING.

Matt. 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN."

STUDY your Bible . . .

amadeus · Feb 18, 2020

marks said:
OK . . . do you understand what I'm saying here? Do I deny the Holy Spirit? Of course not!

Does the Holy Spirit teach us from the Bible? Of course He does.

When a person is reading the Bible while in the Spirit, what else should we expect? Some people however I am certain read the Bible in their carnal minds [the old man Paul writes about].

However what I see is the Word Alive in your or me at times when we are not reading the Bible. The Lamp doesn't need to go out because we put the Book down or walk out of house on the way to Wal Mart and left the Bible at home. If it is not Alive in us, what do we have? The Word of God is not dependent on us having any book open in out hand. As we become like Jesus, who was/is the Word of God, that same Word is becoming a part of us. How much like Jesus can a man become? The limit is not in God. The limit is in us. What do we do with what God has given us?

What has God given us? Time, abilities, education, material resources [such as money, a car], Bibles, supportive materials [commentaries, Internet connections], etc. or the lack of these or great amounts of these. Also He has given us, if we have received it, the gift oft he Holy Ghost. What we doing with what we have? The limit is always in us.

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

In that verse, if we can understand it, lies the explanation as to how God judges. Who else can fairly consider and judge us without being a respecter of persons!

Philip James · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
When will the act ever obtain eternal life? See the problem here? Going on to infinity here.

Hello Enow,

How many times must a bride receive her groom to consumate a marriage?
Once would be enough, but it would be a cold marriage indeed were a bride to never again receive her husband.

The Church encourages us to receive the Eucharist daily if we are able, but once/year is required to maintain full communion with the Church.

Enow said:
Hebrews 10 chapter reproves it for taking it for any other reasons than for remembrance of Him.

Hmm, clearly you and I read that chapter differently, for instance:

Therefore, brothers, since through the blood of Jesus we have confidence of entrance into the sanctuary

by the new and living way he opened for us through the veil, that is, his flesh,

and since we have "a great priest over the house of God,"

let us approach with a sincere heart and in absolute trust, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water.

Seems to me, to be pretty much the catholic faith in a nutshell...

Peace be with you!

Enow · Feb 18, 2020

Philip James said:
Hello Enow,

How many times must a bride receive her groom to consumate a marriage?
Once would be enough, but it would be a cold marriage indeed were a bride to never again receive her husband.

The Bridegroom has yet to come to receive the abiding bride of Christ. Once received, that door will be shut and there will be no going out from Him any more.

As for abiding in Him, we are Spirit-filled as promised at our salvation at the calling of the gospel when we had believed in Him. By engaging in dead works that deny them as Spirit-filled and thus not saved yet, run the risk of being left behind. That is why communion can only be done in remembrance of Him if Catholics wish to avoid looking like they are a leaky vessel unable to hold the wine.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

It is utter hypocrisy to receive Him again when He has never left you. How can this not be a work that denies Him always being in us to never need to receive Him again even by communion? So communion can only be what it is, symbolic of what He had done for us in remembrance of Him

The Church encourages us to receive the Eucharist daily if we are able, but once/year is required to maintain full communion with the Church.

When it is not done only in remembrance of Him, I can understand the fear for why the church would hold it everyday.

Hmm, clearly you and I read that chapter differently, for instance:

Therefore, brothers, since through the blood of Jesus we have confidence of entrance into the sanctuary

by the new and living way he opened for us through the veil, that is, his flesh,

and since we have "a great priest over the house of God,"

let us approach with a sincere heart and in absolute trust, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water.

Seems to me, to be pretty much the catholic faith in a nutshell...

Peace be with you!

Well, if you read it with the bifocles the Catholic Church gives you, I suppose you can't read it any other way. Just be ready to receive the truth in His words, should our Good Shepherd ever show you otherwise. It may happen before the Bridegroom comes.

Philip James · Feb 18, 2020

Enow said:
The Bridegroom has yet to come to receive the abiding bride of Christ.

The one who has the bride is the bridegroom; the best man, who stands and listens for him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made complete.

Enow said:

It is utter hypocrisy to receive Him again when He has never left you. How can this not be a work that denies Him always being in us to never need to receive Him again even by communion?

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You're not married are you?

Peace!

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