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And it says in the next verse that they should be the husband of one wife...not celibate. A case of choosing what suits you don't you think.
The term priest as a leader of the church is unknown in the NT.
An invention of the rc church.
An invention of the rc. bishops, cannibals and popes are not in scripture. It was an invention of the rc church as an expression of their immoral power over the people.
Now you are descending into the childish. James 5:16 says "Therefore, make it your habit to confess your sins to one another and to pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. "First where does it say confess your sins to a priest in a confessional box? My bible says to confess your sins ONE TO ANOTHER or in other words EACH OTHER. Second, If my son prangs the car and he comes to me and say "I am sorry Dad, I pranged the car" why do I have to read his mind? The statement is ridiculous in the extreme.
Eisegesis in its entirety. He said feed my sheep, not my apostles. The word used is "probaton" meaning something that walks forward. The word for apostle is "apostolos" and that word is not in this text so you are clearly wrong. And the church wasn't built on Peter, it was built on revelation that the spirit gave to Peter and Jesus Christ the chief cornerstone. Only the rc church believes what you said as it justifies your unscriptual idea of a pope.
soulja boy;74652]I get the feeling that you are out of your depth. You said "If you looked up the Greek word for Elder" THe fact that I told you there are 17 verses which indicate the leadership of the church is by Elders makes it very clear that I have looked up every verse with the word elder in it. [/QUOTE]Yeah said:
Which they HAVE the authority to "invent" (as you put it) based on Matthew 16:19 which states ... "I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." ... what part of "whatsoever" don't you understand? Whatever they bind on earth WILL BE bound in heaven. No conditions. No "if's", "and's" or "but's". WHATEVER they bind on earth WILL BE bound in heaven!If you have another understanding of this passage, I'd like to hear it. If not, then it addresses ALL of your objections with the Catholic Church. Case closed.soulja boy;74655 said:
Can you please explain to me how you can have bad popes,to me that is like having bad prophets,not possible... Sir Knight My apologies for not listing source,not intentional http://www.reachingcatholics.org/pastpopes.html
Where is it written than the prophets were not sinners? The Pope is a man just like the Prophets. Even the Apostles were sinners.n2thelight;74709]Can you please explain to me how you can have bad popes said:
That's not what I mean...what Im saying is the mistakes some of your popes have made would be like Noah not building the ark...not possible... If your line comes from Peter as you claim then he should be the example,Peter would have never done the things your popes have...
From your link ... "All pope quotes are found in The Apostolic Digest, Sacred Heart Press, Irving, TX, 1987."There is no such publishing house. Sort of places more doubt on these claims. There is, however, a "Sacred Heart tattoo parlor" in Irving, TX.n2thelight;74709]Can you please explain to me how you can have bad popes said:
And I hope you will excuse me if I shake my head in disbelief at your eisegeses.First of all, the church here, rendered "oikos" in the Greek means the house of God, family dwelling. A family cannot be a religious organisation unless you indulge in eisegeses. The word "oikos" means wherever his people are as an expression of the family of God. It has nothing to do with the rc church. THe word church is the greek word "ekklasia" which means "called out ones". It does not mean the rc church. If I am a born again believer I am a called out one and it is the called out ones who are the post and support of the truth, not the rc church nor any other religious organisation.I think that is amply illustrated by religious organisations who disregard the truth totally as in rc priests molesting boys; anglicans ordaining practicing homosexuals; uniting churches who say that evolution is the truth etc.
Now let me see if I have got this right. Because this verse is in the bible the rc church can invent whatever it wants, like indulgences to earn your salvation; the inquisition to stop protestantism; priests molesting boys which the church approves of because all they do is move them to another parish; invent a pope who thinks he is the top dog in christendom; build a palace for him to live in; fill you places of idolotary with graven images; praying to Mary; rosary beads; making priests "he who is to be obeyed"; single popes who fornicate; murdering a man who made the bible available to the common man; excomunicating a priest who told the truth. I am sure others can add to the list.Can you show me where all these things are approved of in the NT? If not I suggest you go back to the drawing board as solid exegesis is NEVER done on the basis of one verse of scripture.
There is no justification in this document for a supposed follower of Jesus kissing a book that declares his crucifixion and resurrection as lies. That act only reveals with pictorial clarity the spiritual state of the organization that the man represented. I am a peace knowing that anyone who is in doubt but has a heart for the truth of Jesus will see this picture and know in their heart that what they are seeing is an evil act and a clear betrayel of Jesus.
Save them from a snare and lead them to fall into a pit.
He never bowed down and kissed their idols. In fact when an ocasion came when the locals thought He had something to do with their false Gods His reaction was definite and clear.Acts 148 And in Lystra a certain man without strength in his feet was sitting, a cripple from his mother’s womb, who had never walked. 9 This man heard Paul speaking. Paul, observing him intently and seeing that he had faith to be healed, 10 said with a loud voice, “Stand up straight on your feet!” And he leaped and walked. 11 Now when the people saw what Paul had done, they raised their voices, saying in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!” 12 And Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of their city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, intending to sacrifice with the multitudes.14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, 16 who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways. 17 Nevertheless He did not leave Himself without witness, in that He did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.” 18 And with these sayings they could scarcely restrain the multitudes from sacrificing to them.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
