It is true that Tithing predated the LAW......that is of no importance......had it been an important factor to support Tithing , Paul would have promoted Tithing and used that (irrelevant ) fact to bolster his argument....we know that he didn’t .....he promoted “ cheerful” giving....
What are Your Feelings on Tithes
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It is true that Tithing predated the LAW......that is of no importance......had it been an important factor to support Tithing , Paul would have promoted Tithing and used that (irrelevant ) fact to bolster his argument....we know that he didn’t .....he promoted “ cheerful” giving....
Paul actually did tell the saints to lay up a percentage of their income on the first day of the week, in 1 Corinthians 16:1-3.
Yes, when we give our tithes, it ought to be with a cheerful heart; and if you do not give them with a cheerful heart it is better that you not give them.
I will say that there is a promise associated with tithing, in Malachi 3:10, that the Lord will open for you the windows of heaven and will pour out for you a blessing that you will not be able to receive.
You are certainly welcome to go the New Testament route and give more than 10%.
But to give less is to sow sparingly...and the Bible teaches that you will reap sparingly as a result (2 Corinthians 9:6).
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He did not tell them to lay up a percentage. His exact words were "storing up what he is prospered."
The correct translation is "one of the sabbaths" not the first day of the week.
Malachi 3:10 is a verse that relates to the Jews, not the Christian. That verse is used by everyone who wants to impose tithing on people. I would steer clear of it as there is plenty in the New Testament that shows us how to give.
One important thing about the Corinthian instruction. The money collected was sent to JERUSALEM. it was not kept to pay the electricity bill, a pastors salary, or for the church bus.
It actually says, "let him lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him."
It translates into the same thing as laying aside a percentage of your gross income to give to the church.
I beg to differ. For all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).
It went into the storehouse, so that the saints in Jerusalem might have relief from the famine that was prophesied by Agabus in the book of Acts.
I wouldn't doubt that the pastor of the church in Jerusalem benefited from this tithe.
marksman
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Except there was no pastor in Jerusalem that was paid a salary. The church was governed by a plurality of unpaid Elders.
marksman
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Think what you like. In the original, it says one of the sabbaths. What does it say in the original in your bible?
marksman
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No, it doesn't. If it did, that is what it would say as the Greek is very precise.
And it doesn't say all scripture is etc etc etc for everyone who reads it. If that is how you take it are you going to dash your son against a brick wall?
There is so much confusion as multitudes have been sheered by the false shepherds even since the first century.
Yet the woman, the old woman, the widow who Jesus pointed out put ALL OF HER SAVINGS, ALL SHE HAD TO LIVE ON, (not just ten percent) , into the collection plate.... (at the place where the religions leaders later sought to kill Jesus and His disciples) .
Nothing indicated that the widow ever thought of tithing, nor did Jesus ever indicate she should tithe.
Yet the woman, the old woman, the widow who Jesus pointed out put ALL OF HER SAVINGS, ALL SHE HAD TO LIVE ON, (not just ten percent) , into the collection plate.... (at the place where the religions leaders later sought to kill Jesus and His disciples) .
Nothing indicated that the widow ever thought of tithing, nor did Jesus ever indicate she should tithe.
The whole world is deceived, especially or also by /via/ English / western thought.... so very few people ever find out or realize what the original meaning is.
God is Delighted to Reveals it to babes, and to hide it from scholars, btw.
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well i think thats how we all start out in our walk, ya, imagining we are going to literally live forever after we have died and etc, ive heard Samson compared to Icarus even, but i dont get what Samson was reaching for i guess
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well, maybe not by title anyway
ok you say "planned" but i wonder if one might unconsciously find themselves there, prophets gone a'whoring
good point above though, rings true imo
Not just not by title anyway, but also not. by job description either. The essence of/ the description/ job duties/ job of priest or pastor since centuries ago is not at all practiced Scripturally in multitudes of (most) places,
nor understood at all as it was in Scripture .... so consciously or unconsciously, wittingly or unwittingly , error goes on taught as truth, deceiving many ....
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Hebrews 10:34 Lexicon: For you showed sympathy to the prisoners and accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and a lasting one.
the seizure
ἁρπαγὴv
(arpagēn)
724:pillage, plundering
from harpaz
Strong's Greek: 724. ἁρπαγή (harpagé) -- pillage, plundering
From
harpazo; pillage (properly abstract) -- extortion, ravening, spoiling.Hebrews 10:34N-AFS
GRK:καὶτὴν ἁρπαγὴν τῶν ὑπαρχόντων
NAS:joyfully the seizureof your property,
KJV:joyfully the spoilingof your
INT:and the plunderof the possessions
having a better enduring substance which remains.
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Kind of deepens the you joyfully suffer it
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
and God loves a cheerful giver
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
and God loves a cheerful giver
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beware the thief in the nightHebrews 10:34 Lexicon: For you showed sympathy to the prisoners and accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and a lasting one.
the seizure
ἁρπαγὴv
(arpagēn)
724:pillage, plundering
from harpaz
Strong's Greek: 724. ἁρπαγή (harpagé) -- pillage, plundering
From
Hebrews 10:34N-AFS
GRK:καὶτὴν ἁρπαγὴν τῶν ὑπαρχόντων
NAS:joyfully the seizureof your property,
KJV:joyfully the spoilingof your
INT:and the plunderof the possessions
having a better enduring substance which remains.
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Maybe you've stumbled upon the true rapture of God?Hebrews 10:34 Lexicon: For you showed sympathy to the prisoners and accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and a lasting one.
the seizure
ἁρπαγὴv
(arpagēn)
724:pillage, plundering
from harpaz
Strong's Greek: 724. ἁρπαγή (harpagé) -- pillage, plundering
From
Hebrews 10:34N-AFS
GRK:καὶτὴν ἁρπαγὴν τῶν ὑπαρχόντων
NAS:joyfully the seizureof your property,
KJV:joyfully the spoilingof your
INT:and the plunderof the possessions
having a better enduring substance which remains.
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beware the thief in the night
The thief comes but to steal, kill and destroy. ‘I come so that you may have Life’ (the better enduring substance).
Galatians 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
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