What are Your Feelings on Tithes

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And you do not have an once of Bible in you concerning Tithing in the New Testament. God will be no more impressed by your obedience to a rule that He never commanded of Christians, anymore than if you "sacrificed" and gave up chocolate for 40 days, ate only fish as meat on Fridays, or genuflected.
I don't tithe in order to "impress God".

I do it because He has promised to open the windows of heaven for me if I do; in which He will pour out a blessing so great that I will not be able to receive it all (Malachi 3:10).

As selfish as that may seem, it is probably equally as selfish (if not more so) to fulfill the condition of any promise by which one might obtain everlasting salvation.

I think that your main problem here is that you don't think that the Old Testament applies to us today.

It does. It contains many exceeding great and precious promises through which we might be able to become partakers of the divine nature; having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:3-4).
 

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Scripture?

We no longer have the original autographs. My Bible says "the first day of the week". Are you SDA?

They did (Ephesians 4:11).

Tithing a tenth of one's gross income, is a way of simplifying what God required, in the case that you don't have any agricultural increase...your responsibility to tithe is not negated by the fact that you are not a farmer.

One. There are 23 verses in scripture that talk about leadership in the NTC. All 23 cite Apostles, Prophets, and Elders. Not one talks about pastors. I wonder why?

Two. I am not talking about autographs.

Three. Ephesians 4:11 has nothing at all to do with leadership.

Four. A classic case of making scripture support your theology rather than making your theology support scripture.
 

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well i think thats how we all start out in our walk, ya, imagining we are going to literally live forever after we have died and etc, ive heard Samson compared to Icarus even, but i dont get what Samson was reaching for i guess
I am not going to die. I am going to live forever. So far so good.
 

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QUOTE="VictoryinJesus, post: 784588, member: 7369"]Was told most of my life about the rapture. I could not wait to be rapture out of here! Even though I wasn’t interested in a relationship with God, being snatched up gave me something to look forward to. Always heard harpazo was where rapture comes from. To snatch. catch away. Take. Do not know how it comes from the word. Do not know how there was a movie on how is the world going to explain the disappearances of so many people. Wouldn’t there be carcasses left behind freaking people out? Or would their bodies immediately turn to dust? In an instant? Why? Questions I had back then...still unanswered by the way.[/QUOTE
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Good. (still unanswered).
Better than the "answers" given online and in churches and religious groups and schools and universities.
Better than the pretending, actors on the stage of life, who say they know, and their lives show corruption, deception and greed.
Better than the world, society, the flesh has to offer.
The world cannot understand the truth, the answer (from God; His Word).
The flesh cannot grasp at all the truth, the answer (from God; His Word).
The unregenerate cannot understand the tithe even, the simplest of things,
nor can the unregenerate mind understand anything spiritual at all. (as God's Word Says Directly).
so then,
Good ? !
Good that you recognize the answers you've been told and seen and are all around
are not the answer, are not right, are not truthful, but deceptive.
Keep resisting the world,
Continue seeking the Truth. What is impossible for men, God the Father accomplishes.
Trust Him.
Not men.
 

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Ephesians 4:11 institutes the office of pastor/teacher in the body of Christ.
Whatever that says, (since you did not print it out, it is unseen for many),
while the Bible is always truth,
the churches (that are like previous ones mentioned) are proven false (they departed from God's Word and Plan and Purpose) , and they are trying to keep leading people astray using pastors/teachers to lead them astray.
 

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Was told most of my life about the rapture. I could not wait to be rapture out of here! Even though I wasn’t interested in a relationship with God, being snatched up gave me something to look forward to. Always heard harpazo was where rapture comes from. To snatch. catch away. Take. Do not know how it comes from the word. Do not know how there was a movie on how is the world going to explain the disappearances of so many people. Wouldn’t there be carcasses left behind freaking people out? Or would their bodies immediately turn to dust? In an instant? Why? Questions I had back then...still unanswered by the way.
it's a dangerously egotistical pov at best, imo
 

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An ongoing dispute in our home. Flesh is partial and a respecter of persons. Not God. Does God change? He told them all nations would be blessed through them. All nations. Then told them to remove the pointed finger speaking lies of vanity from among them. How many times God asked them ...you say I am unequal...then challenged them ‘are you not the ones unequal?’ Matthew 15:22-28 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. [23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. [28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

God created the heaven and the earth. He also created mankind, of all colors, and after doing that He formed a man who he named Adam and this is one who is the son of God.
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

After Jesus was crucified the door was opened to the gentiles.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
 

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Jesus was partial to his own

Maybe so but I struggle there. The questions may be dumb but I still have them. One being where He spoke of the wisdom which comes from God and not of men...His Spirit; easily intreated, full(pregnant) of mercy, without partiality or hypocrisy. I do get what is said to the Jew first and I’m not arguing it as not so. It is the: Jesus Christ was (is) partial.

I’m sorry I don’t know how to do short. You don’t have to read or agree but this is why: Malachi 2:5-17 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. [6] The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. [7] For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. [8] But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts. [9] Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base (haven’t God chosen the base things, the foolish things to confound the wise?) before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. [10] Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

“You have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.” To say Jesus Christ was partial in the law...would mean He kept not the way when He said ‘I Am the Way.”

1 Peter 2:21-25 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: [22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: (The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: ...as in Malachi where the Lord said it should be so with priests) Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: (Malachi 2:17) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. [25] For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Was Jesus Christ partial in the law?
James 2:4-10 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? [5] Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? [6] But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? [7] Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

‘if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin,’ did Jesus Christ sin?

‘For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.’ Did he keep the whole law or was He partial in the law? Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 
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Not according to Scripture.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The first gentiles that were saved was:
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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Whatever that says, (since you did not print it out, it is unseen for many),
while the Bible is always truth,
the churches (that are like previous ones mentioned) are proven false (they departed from God's Word and Plan and Purpose) , and they are trying to keep leading people astray using pastors/teachers to lead them astray.

That is why it is important to always be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

But it is not always the case that a pastor will lead you astray. Why not pray for your pastor?

It is written in Hebrews 10:25 that it is not a good thing to forsake the assembly.
 
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Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The first gentiles that were saved was:
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
So ?

Can you show anyplace Jesus did something of His Own Volition and Choice apart from the Father , anyplace at all that He disobeyed the Father ?
 

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it is not a good thing to forsake the assembly.
Or ,
"come out of her My people" ??

i.e. some of the false assemblies named or identified online should be forsaken by any true believer.

And often, I think, the true assemblies of believers are attacked or mocked by the false assemblies,
and/or the members in the assemblies that claim you should not forsake the assembly
have no idea what the assembly is supposed to be or to do or to teach or to practice in line with Scripture - instead they follow tradition that God warns, again, come out of her....
 
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Or ,
"come out of her My people" ??

i.e. some of the false assemblies named or identified online should be forsaken by any true believer.

And often, I think, the true assemblies of believers are attacked or mocked by the false assemblies,
and/or the members in the assemblies that claim you should not forsake the assembly
have no idea what the assembly is supposed to be or to do or to teach or to practice in line with Scripture - instead they follow tradition that God warns, again, come out of her....
If you believe that the assembly that God has called you to is a false assembly, I encourage you to pray for your pastor that he might get his head on straight.

But again, it is the Bible that tells us not to forsake the assembly (in Hebrews 10:25).
 
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