A discussion about Freemasonry.

Glenn · Dec 4, 2009

We are all at the mercy of our sources, I have read pro, and con about this subject and do see a level of darkness to it, the good works they do could also be part of the propaganda as well , which is a very good tatic to say the least.

Propaganda, or real substance? your saying its harmless, but many say its a secret plan of the globalist, antichristian, and when all the layers are peeled off you have the seething energies of lucifer in your hands.

Just like skull and bones bush hoodwinked christian into thinking he was also a christian, you could be doing the same thing! or you could be honestly be hoodwinked as well, but with the level you claim to be at, that would make that possiblity questionable.

Glen.

HammerStone · Dec 4, 2009

But, isn't he here upon request?

"I received an email today from [email protected] suggesting that I start a discussion about Freemasonry. So here goes!"

Is that not true?

To clear this up, no I did not outright request that he come here. As he should confirm, he replied to our email about the site software update asking about a topic like this to which I cleared him to post. My goal was simply to allow a format where questions could be asked about Freemasonry and a little discussion could take place where some questions might be answered. That's all.

whirlwind · Dec 4, 2009

I have a question about it. One of my great, great's was a 32nd degree Mason. I used to be rather proud of that but...I don't know diddly about Masons. They seem to do good work, helping underprivleged children but even Satan is disguised as an angel of light.

Are the Masons evil? Do all Masons know all factors of their organization? Or...is it simply a boys club where they get together?

Christina · Dec 4, 2009

SwampFox said:
But, isn't he here upon request?

"I received an email today from [email protected] suggesting that I start a discussion about Freemasonry. So here goes!"

Is that not true?

Click to expand...

To clear this up, no I did not outright request that he come here. As he should confirm, he replied to our email about the site software update asking about a topic like this to which I cleared him to post. My goal was simply to allow a format where questions could be asked about Freemasonry and a little discussion could take place where some questions might be answered. That's all.

Thank you Swampfox for explaining this.

And to cemab4y
This goes to the question I asked. You received a mass email just like all who are members here. You then requested a chance to come here and post about your organization ...which Swampfox afforded you the chance ... So it seems you have somewhat misrepresented the situation.

My question is still the same what on earth do you think your organization has to explain to Christians when you are not a Christian organization .. I understood you feel you must talk to Christians why? It was your request to come here.

Stumpmaster · Dec 5, 2009

whirlwind said:
I have a question about it. One of my great, great's was a 32nd degree Mason. I used to be rather proud of that but...I don't know diddly about Masons. They seem to do good work, helping underprivleged children but even Satan is disguised as an angel of light.

Are the Masons evil? Do all Masons know all factors of their organization? Or...is it simply a boys club where they get together?

(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Masons can be the nicest people, but in my experience the powers and principalities that find a foothold in them will do everything they can to quench the Holy Spirit, favouring instead a form of ritualistic religiousity.

cemab4y · Dec 5, 2009

I apologize, if there was any confusion. I made a request, to the board moderator "swampfox", for permission to set up a discussion about Freemasonry. My request was approved, that is why this discussion is here. True, I was not specifically "invited" to set up this discussion, but when my request was approved, I considered that to be a "virtual invitation". So there.

cemab4y · Dec 5, 2009

quote - My question is still the same what on earth do you think your organization has to explain to Christians when you are not a Christian organization .. I understood you feel you must talk to Christians why? -unquote

Freemasonry does not have to explain anything to anybody. Our organization has existed for many hundreds of years. I personally feel , that there are many misconceptions, and incorrect ideas about Freemasonry, held by many people. I want to get the truth out, through media such as this board.

Freemasonry is definetly not Christian. It is a secular organization, and makes no claim to divine origination. We have no sacraments, no priesthood, no plan of salvation. We offer no pathway to the divine. The relationship that man has with Deity is the business of religion, and we are not a religion. Our concern is with the relationship of man to his fellow man. Ours is a peculiar (meaning "unique"), system of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols.

Masonry teaches ethics, morality, and brotherly love, in a non-religious context. Participants are taught certain moral lessons. Although we are not a charity or a service organization, the Masonic family of organizations (there are over 100), contribute about $2.6 million dollars a day, in the USA alone. This does not count individual contributions by masons, and it does not include the millions of man-hours of "sweat-equity" contributed by masons and lodges, nationwide.

Please see:

http://www.thenewsherald.com/articles/2009/12/01/news/doc4b158fad77e09753053801.txt

for an example.

Stumpmaster · Dec 5, 2009

Freemasonry quenches the Holy Spirit in a number of ways, one of them being the prohibition regarding the mention of Jesus Christ by masons to other masons.

The British Methodist Church condemned Masonry at its General Assembly in 1985. The Assembly acted on a report of its Faith and Order Committee. That report, entitledFreemasonry & Methodism, outlinedthe occultic nature of Masonryin detail. The report concluded with these words:"There is a great danger the Christian who becomes a Freemason will find himself compromising his Christian beliefs or his allegiance to Christ, perhaps without realizing what he is doing."

Several doctrines taught by the Masons are particularly repulsive to the Word of God. One is that there are many ways to God.

Consider, for example, this quote from Carl Claudy's book, Introduction to Freemasonry:

"In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the Great First Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great Architect of the Universe, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet."

By contrast, Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..."

In other words, Masonry teaches salvation through all religions, whereas the Bible teaches there is salvation in only one name under heaven — the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12). (John 14:6).
The following link has more information on the unscriptural doctrines of freemasonry:

http://www.lamblion.com/files/publications/blog/blog_The-Unscriptural-Doctrines-of-Masonry.pdf#search="freemasonry"

cemab4y · Dec 6, 2009

Your information is incorrect in many ways. That is the reason why I asked permission to set up this discussion. I will address your points.

Freemasonry quenches the Holy Spirit in a number of ways, one of them being the prohibition regarding the mention of Jesus Christ by masons to other masons.

That is absolutely false. Masonry never quenches any religious experience. Masons are not prohibited from mentioning Jesus, Mohammed, Lao-Tze, or any religious personage to other masons. This is absurd beyond belief. There are Masonic pastors, who deliver sermons about Jesus, to Christian congregations, which include Masons. The first protestant missionaries in the Western Hemisphere, were sponsored by Masons.

The British Methodist Church condemned Masonry at its General Assembly in 1985. The Assembly acted on a report of its Faith and Order Committee. That report, entitledFreemasonry & Methodism, outlinedthe occultic nature of Masonryin detail. The report concluded with these words:"There is a great danger the Christian who becomes a Freemason will find himself compromising his Christian beliefs or his allegiance to Christ, perhaps without realizing what he is doing."

NOT in any way. Masons are encouraged (not required) to be active in the church of their choice. Most masons find their religious life is enhanced, by their Masonic experience.

Several doctrines taught by the Masons are particularly repulsive to the Word of God. One is that there are many ways to God.

Not hardly. Masonry is a secular organization, and wisely, stays out of all religious debates. A man must believe in God FIRST, before petitioning (applying) to Masonry.

Consider, for example, this quote from Carl Claudy's book, Introduction to Freemasonry:Quote<blockquote>"In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the Great First Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great Architect of the Universe, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet."

You CANNOT apply the opinions of one man to the entire organization. Carl Claudy wrote several books, and NONE of them were ever accepted as official Masonic policy, by any lodge or Grand Lodge any where. Imagine if some Christian wrote a book, that said that Jesus Christ was an ax-murderer. Would you say that all Christians believe what that book said?

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By contrast, Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..."
In other words, Masonry teaches salvation through all religions,

NO Way! Masonry does not teach anything about salvation. Masonry is only concerned with each man's relationship with his fellow man. The relationship of man to Deity, is the sole province of religion. Masonry, wisely, stays out of any discussion of "sin", or salvation. By staying neutral on the subject of religion, Masonry can accept men of many different religions and faith backgrounds into the organization.

Freedom of thought and conscience, are paramount.

whereas the Bible teaches there is salvation in only one name under heaven — the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12). (John 14:6).

WhiteKnuckle · Dec 6, 2009

cemab4y said:
Masonry is a secular organization, and not a religion. The organization has men from many different religious backgrounds.

Some Christians have serious problems with Freemasonry. Many Freemasons are Christians, and there are even many Christian pastors that are Freemasons.

The moderators of this board and I agree, that it is important that Christians have an understanding of Freemasonry, and what it is all about. Then Christians will see that there is nothing to fear.

I wanted to be a Mason years ago. I even had a sponsor. But, decided not to go any further.

Where this conversation is important is a discussion of Conspiracy Theory. It's amazing how many of those theories bleed into Christianity and consiquently effect many interpretations of prophecy, and the true understanding of the world around us.

It's very important to understand all sides of an argument before engaging in them. Often times taking ideas from Conspiracy Theories clouds anothers understanding, and creates a battle that was never there in the first place. It also takes peoples eyes off of the truth and the true basis of the discussion or argument in the first place.

I believe that some very powerful people have become Free Masons, and thus some things such as archetecture, and even money bear some of the Masonic symbols. But, I don't believe the Free Masons to be an organization of controling the world and bringing about the NWO. I don't believe the Illuminati conspiracy either. Although I do know that the Illuminati was at one time a sub clique in Free Masons, but was mostly rejected by other Free Masons. George Washington is one who rejected the Illuminati.

The problem is that it's bread into our western culture that any secret society is trying to take over the world, and bring about the NWO. If we search history of Conspiracy Theories, we'll see that these ideas often spring forth from racist, or paranoid fringe society groups or sects. These offer very little fact, and do little more than breed fear and ignorance. Consiquently fear and ignorance are the festering breeding grounds of hate and anger.

We should all face the fact that the world we live in is not Christian. Anything that is not for Christ is against Him. However,, that doesn't mean that a club, or group, or lodge that does things in secret is intentionaly against Jesus or intentionaly for Satan.

Some people just like clubs and groups or organizations and odd rituals. The rituals of most clubs or organizations are meant to bring the people of the organizations together, it's something that is participated in by all members. That's how you can have all walks of life come together to hang out. They may have nothing in common, but the rites and rituals of clubs give them a common ground.

Martin W. · Dec 6, 2009

David Yallop is widely considered to be the world's leading investigators of unsolved crimes. He documents some of his findings in book form.

The Roman Catholic Church had rules stating none of it's members could be in the Masonic Lodge .

The Vatican Banker , and up to 14 Cardinals , were implicated in a multi billion dollar crime whereas illegal money and counterfit securities were laundered through the Vatican bank.

John Paul 1 was aware of this and was unexpectedly elected Pope. He quietly made plans to expel the corrupt and clean house on his 34th day as Pope.

He woke up dead on his 33rd day as Pope. He was discovered at 445 am , was in the hands of the undertakers by 500 am and the body was enbalmed immediately without autopsy.

The banking system came close to collapsing because of the huge financial crime. Franklin National and other US banks were about to go under but the various governments quietly intervened to preserve bank confidence.

No Cardinals lost their jobs , Vatican banker Paul Marcinkus stayed in place , and the Vatican proceeded to elect a new Pope.

The (illegal) Masonic Lodge these men belonged to was named P-2 .

There was no mention of this group donating to local Shriner burn units.

Martin W. · Dec 6, 2009

Federal Government budgets are prepared behind closed doors for good reason. It is to prevent any individuals from taking beneficial actions (insider trading) before release of the budget to the general public. It is a good system .

8 months before the release of a federal budget , a large real estate company listed hundreds of rental homes for sale at decent prices and most of them sold quickly.

Many people in this small city guessed that the owner of the real estate company was planning to retire, thus the massive sale of his holdings.

When the federal budget was released months later it was announced that a major military air base was to be closed near this small city. Housing values dropped sharply and many businesses closed.

The real estate owner did not retire , nor did he suffer from the closing of the airbase , he had sold his properties well in advance . Turns out 80% of his homes had been rented to military personell working at the airport.

As a high ranking Mason and Shriner he was well known for his efforts in the Shriner hospitals and Shrine Circus.

Polished on the outside and corrupt on the inside? You decide. There was not sufficient direct evidence to bring charges , after all it is hard to get information or witnesses who belong to a secret club , who's pledges and loyalties are to the lodge brotherhood, not government or law.

Martin W. · Dec 6, 2009

I am not attempting to directly correlate these verses with membership in secret lodges but it is something to keep in mind as we read ........

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Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God

For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
"Wake up, O sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work

They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.

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Every one of us have secret sins in our lives. Membership in a "secretive" Lodge is not required for this. Secret sin in the Christian is very powerful and destructive. I often feel this is one of the reasons we are told to "confess our sins". I think once the secret part is disarmed , we can easier deal with overcoming the sin. Satan loves things done in secret. It is very powerful and he knows it. Confessing sins is sometimes very hard to do because of the powerful hold secrets can have on us.

I do not for a minute feel that everyone in a Masonic Lodge is an evil Satanist. That is a great stretch. Many decent people are Masons.

But if I was pledged to a group that allows all paths to God as being equal ...... the following words would cause me concern if they .... deny Jesus Christ is our only Sovereign and Lord.

WhiteKnuckle · Dec 6, 2009

You make some good points. However, the ones that secretly introduce..... aren't the ones in an organization that is secret,,,, Know what I mean?

Point being is that there are people that for whatever reason, sneak themselves into the church (ie, the entire church, false prophets, false teachers, false believers and etc) Not so much as an outside secular club,,, However,,, To keep an open mind about a possible danger of certain clubs, groups or organizations,,, We do need to be aware of how people who aren't directed by God can unkowingly be directed by demons or simply their flesh (the latter more often the case).

A good example would be a preacher like John Macarthur. If you listen to his sermons, they're great, full of information and wisdom and explainations of scripture. But, listen close and the false teachers will slip, and make heretical mistakes. John Macarthur actually says, it's not the Blood of Christ that cleanses sins. He says the Blood is merely representing His death. That if we believe the Blood cleanses our sins, then we are deifying the Blood and taking away from Jesus.

Another example would be those who claim we're god,, "Not God with the big G, but god with the little g" Damnedable heresy.

But, all the other stuff they say is great and lines up,, then comes the M80 down the pipes.

There are others with agendas that aren't so obvious,, political, or "moral" or what ever that will try to introduce their finely concocted arguments, and beautifuly spelled out loaded questions, and their statistics and such, and try to entice others into something else.

Your post also makes me think of some people giving Christianity a black eye, such as corrupt preachers, teachers, or what ever hypocrite there is.

But, none of these tricks are new. They're still sneaky, no doubt.

Anyway,, Good post.

Stumpmaster · Dec 7, 2009

There may have been trouble with the link I gave earlier to this article so here it is in full with the comments it attracted. I firmly believe that Christians should renounce Masonry and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

THE UNSCRIPTURAL DOCTRINES OF MASONRY

by Dr. David Reagan

Several doctrines taught by the Masons are particularly repulsive to the Word of God. One is that there are many ways to God. Consider, for example, this quote from Carl Claudy's book, Introduction to Freemasonry: "In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the Great First Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great Architect of the Universe, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet."[sup]1[/sup] By contrast, Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..." (John 14:6).
In other words, Masonry teaches salvation through all religions, whereas the Bible teaches there is salvation in only one name under heaven — the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12).

Salvation by Works

Another unscriptural Masonic doctrine is salvation by works. Masonic literature is replete with references to being justified before God through good works.
For example, in the Kentucky Masonic handbook, the lambskin apron worn by Masons is described as a reminder "of that purity of life and conduct which is essential to gaining admission to the Celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides."[sup]2[/sup] The Holman edition of the Masonic Bible contains a Masonic Creed that asserts that "character determines destiny."[sup]3[/sup] The former Masonic Grand Chaplain of Pennsylvania summed it up this way:[sup]4[/sup]

<blockquote>"The philosophy of Freemasonry is to make man the master of his own destiny, to show him that there also is an immortality on earth brought by his actions; that he can, through his own efforts... inscribe his name in the 'Book of Life.'"
</blockquote>

This is a different Gospel, and as such, it is condemned by Paul in Galatians 1:8-9. The true Gospel is that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, and not through works (Ephesians 2:8-10).

Jesus is One of Many Saviors
A third unbiblical doctrine of Masonry relates to their view of Jesus. He is portrayed in Masonic literature as one of many Saviors. Consider this quote from the Kentucky handbook:[sup]5[/sup]

<blockquote>"All antiquity... believed in a future life... and in a Mediator or Redeemer... The belief was general that He was to be born of a virgin and suffer a painful death. The Hindus called him Krishna; the Chinese, Kioun-tse; the Persians, Sosiosch; the Chaldeans, Dhouvanai; the Egyptians, Horus; Plato, Love; the Scandinavians, Balder; the Christians, Jesus; the Masons, Hiram."
</blockquote>

As this paragraph indicates, Jesus comes across in Masonic literature as nothing more than one of many enlightened men. He certainly is not viewed as divine. Former Masonic leader, Jim Shaw, has written that in official Masonic doctrine, "Jesus is just a man. He is one of the 'exemplars,' one of the great men of the past, but not divine and certainly not the only means of redemption of lost mankind."[sup]6[/sup]
In sharp contrast, the Bible teaches that Jesus was the unique and only begotten Son of God — that He was, in fact, God in the flesh (Philippians 2:1-9 and John 1:1-14).
One other thing — Masons are not allowed to pray in their lodges in the name of Jesus. Yet the Word of God says that Christians are to offer all prayers in Jesus' name (Colossians 3:17).

A God Alien to the Bible
According to Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia all men involved in Masonry must decide between the inferior Christian God and the true God of Masonry:[sup]7[/sup]

<blockquote>"Men have to decide whether they want a God like the ancient Hebrew Jahweh, a partisan, tribal God, with whom they can talk and argue and from whom they can hide if necessary, or a boundless, eternal, universal, undenominational, and international, Divine Spirit, so vastly removed from the speck called man, that He cannot be known, named, or approached."
</blockquote>

This quotation makes it clear that the God of Masonry, called The Great Architect of the Universe and symbolized by the all-seeing eye, is not the true God of the Bible. The Bible reveals that the creator of this universe is a triune God consisting of one God in three persons. The Bible further reveals that He is a Father God who desires intimate fellowship with His creation. He is anything but a "tribal God" who is aloof and unapproachable (Isaiah 57:15).
Although Masons are taught that the real name of God cannot be known because it has been lost, those who pursue the higher levels of Masonry are ultimately told that the secret name of the Masonic deity is Jabulon.[sup]8[/sup] This is an acronym for Jehovah, Baal (the ancient Canaanite god), and Osiris (an Egyptian mystery god). Can there really be any doubt that Masonry is steeped in paganism?

The Masonic Defense
Many Masons respond to these criticisms by observing that George Washington was a Mason and that fourteen of our Presidents have been Masons. But these facts are irrelevant. No one denies that many good and great men have been and are Masons.
Others defend the Masons by pointing out that many ministers are Masons. This too does not prove anything. Many ministers are also members of the apostate National Council of Churches, and many ministers are unsaved.
Another defense of Masonry is that it honors the Bible as God's Word. The Standard Masonic Monitor maintains that the Bible is "the Great Light in Masonry" and even advises Masons to study it diligently.[sup]9[/sup] But this claim is highly misleading. In actuality, the Bible is officially designated as a piece of "lodge furniture."[sup]10[/sup] In Utah, Masons place the Book of Mormon on their lodge altars. In India, the Hindu Vedras are placed on the altar, and in Muslim lands, the altar features the Koran.
The Masonic attitude toward the Bible is best summed up by an article that appears in the Masonic Bible that is published by Holman:[sup]11[/sup]<blockquote>"Thus, by the very honor which Masonry pays to the Bible, it teaches us to revere every book of faith... joining hands with the man of Islam as he takes his oath on the Koran, and with the Hindu as he makes covenant with God upon the book that he loves best. For Masonry knows what so many forget, that religions are many, but Religion is one... Therefore, it invites to its altar men of all faiths knowing that, if they use different names for "the Nameless One of a hundred names," they are yet praying to the one God and Father of all; knowing also, that while they read different volumes, they are in fact reading the same vast Book of the Faith of Man."</blockquote>What incredible blasphemy of God and His Holy Word!
Finally, Masons try to defend themselves by pointing to the good works of the Masonic Order. But again, no one denies that Masons do many good works. Their good works are just not relevant to the issue. Furthermore, the Bible tells us that we are to do our good works in the name of Jesus so that He will receive the honor and glory (Colossians 3:17).

The Real Issue
The real issue is Jesus Christ. He calls us to be open about our faith. The Masons operate in secret. Jesus calls us to refrain from taking oaths. The Masons require blood oaths. Jesus call us to do all things in His name, to His honor and glory. Masons do their good works in the name of Masonry and to the glory of "The Great Architect of the Universe." The Word says Jesus is "the blessed and only potentate" (1 Timothy 6:14-15). Masons exalt their temple leaders by calling them spiritual titles like "Worshipful Master." Jesus said He is the only way to God. Masons argue there are many roads to God.
If you are a Christian and a Mason, I believe you should repent of your involvement and denounce the Masonic oaths you have taken. You should ask God to forgive you for ever having taken the oaths. You should resign your Masonic membership and rededicate yourself to Jesus and Him only.
Then you should start spending the time you used to spend in Masonry in your local church working to expand the Kingdom of God.

Good News Concerning the Masons
Masonic membership within the United States has been diminishing rapidly.
In 1958 the number of Masons in the U.S. stood at 4.2 million, or 2.4% of the total population.
By the beginning of 2005 the American membership had dropped to less than 1.5 million, or 0.6% of the population.
Most Masons today are over the age of 50. The movement is obviously dying, and we can be thankful for that.

Internet Resources

Ex-Masons for Jesus: http://www.emfj.org/

Ephesians 5:11: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/

Saints Alive for Jesus: http://www.saintsalive.com/

Notes
1) Carl Claudy, Introduction to Freemasonry (Morristown, NJ: The Temple Books, 1931). This book is still in print in the form of three pamphlets.

2) Henry Pirtle, Kentucky Monitor (Louisville, KY: The Standard Printing Co., 1921), page 32.

3) Holy Bible: Temple Illustrated Edition (Nashville, TN: A. J. Holman Company, 1968).

4) Charles H. Lacquement, "Freemasonry and Organized Religions," The Pennsylvania Freemason, February 1989.

5) Pirtle, pages xiv-xv.

6) Shaw & McKenney, pages 126-127.

7) Coil, pages 516-517.

8) Ankerberg & Weldon, page 85.

9) George Simmons and Robert Macoy, Standard Masonic Monitor (Richmond, VA: Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply, 1971), page 21.

10) Carrico, page 19 and Ankerberg & Weldon, page 61.

11) Joseph Fort Newton, "The Bible and Masonry," an article in Holy Bible: Temple Illustrated Edition (Nashville, TN: A. J. Holman Co., 1968), pages 3-4.Posted by Dr. David R. Reagan at 5/18/2009 08:53:00 AM Labels: Church, cults, signs
3 comments:

Anonymous said... Again translations and interpretations of Masonic writers by the un-initiated is skewed by the religious intolerance of the writer of this blog. No one person speaks for all Masonry, so quoting works from Masonic authors is disingenuous at best. Every man is entitled to his opinion and that is what is quoted here opinions or what Masonry means to the writer. Freemasonry does not have any religious dogma and does not teach any path to salvation. It does teach that one should be an active participant in his religion whatever that may be. It is no business of Masonry what religion a man belongs to, so long as he has a belief in a Supreme Being. We practice tolerance of religion which is more than I can say for these Bible thumpers. Freemasons teach that one should be about God's work of Charity, relief and truth. This in no way tells a member that he will attain salvation by these virtues, but by the religious path he has chosen for himself. If he be a Christian then it would be through Jesus Christ. So you theories and message are flawed on it's face. Instead of looking outward and condemning that which you know not what you speak of, look inward at your own hypocrisy and reflect.
As well you are very mistaken about Freemasonry dying out. We are thriving and growing in some areas. I am sure that the more of the religious intolerants that espouse the same views that are written here, the more men will be made aware of and come to Freemasonry of their own free will and accord.Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:15:00 AM CDT

Sal said... Anonymous, you just proved Dr. Reagan's point with "This in no way tells a member that he will attain salvation by these virtues, but by the religious path he has chosen for himself." You are confirming the Masons are advocating Universalism (the belief that all religions lead to heaven). Nothing biblical in that teaching.

John 14:6
"Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’"

1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"

1 John 5:5
"Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God."Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:48:00 AM CDT

son of thunder said... I can't agree with any group that places Jesus in the same category as other religious leaders and founders. Jesus is the Name above all other names, and in the end every religious leader and their "path" will come under the scrutiny on Yahweh God and His righteous judgment.

Anon wrote - "This in no way tells a member that he will attain salvation by these virtues, but by the religious path he has chosen for himself. If he be a Christian then it would be through Jesus Christ." What if a person were to chose, say, Charles Manson, as their guide on their "religious path"? Or Adolf Hitler?

This opens Pandora's Box, does it not?

cemab4y · Dec 7, 2009

What Freemasonry does…
Simply, Freemasonry builds and advances the character of men to make them better.
Building on principals of moral integrity, Freemasons hold brotherly love as paramount to the benefit of mankind. Whether through charitable acts, or by direct involvement, Freemasonry has dedicated itself to the prosperity of mankind.
On the individual level, Freemasonry builds on moral philosophy, through allegorical symbols to impart rich and complex meanings about the divine. What that means is through Masonic education, individuals are given their own personal building blocks to contribute to the build of their own personal moral character, and then charged with applying that purpose in their day-to-day life.
It does not act to impart religion to its membership, instead it builds on the tenants and virtues taught by all religions, including a faith in the divine, the application of the Golden Rule, and the value of leading a moral virtuous life, all with the drive to put these ideas into personal practice. It promotes the active participation in the member’s individual faith tradition, charging them to build their spiritual character.
Throughout the mason’s life, the lessons of morality and ethics are revisited through the extensions of the various bodies of Freemasonry, building on the principals of Freemasonry. Seldom can a mason say they have learned all of the meanings taught to them through the degrees.
By serving to promote brotherly love masons are now involved in extended levels of charity and benevolence to meet the needs of those least able in society.
To serves as an example, Freemasons are involved in all of these charitable organizations, giving to the needs of others.

Childhood language disorders
Treatment for birth defects
Scholarship and direct grants to children and grandchildren of Scottish Rite Masons as well as to members of DeMolay, Job’s Daughters, Rainbow for Girls, and other
Masonic youth groups
Research on diabetes
A summer camp for underprivileged children
Arteriosclerosis research
Christmas Day Dinner for the Des Moines community
Cancer research
Training awards for religious leadership and those making religious work their career
A museum and monument to George Washington
Grants to students at in Schools of Government and Business
Administration and International Affairs
Dental care for handicapped children
Scholarship assistance to nursing students
Geriatric research
Child development for good citizenship and sound character for boys and girls
Outpatient services for cancer treatment
Low cost education loans
Eye surgery and prescription glasses
Treatment for cancer patients and cancer research support
Masonic Hospital Visitation Program for V.A. Hospital volunteers
Research in heart disease, cancer, aging, hypertension, and blood substitutes
Meeting and performance facilities at the International Peace Garden
A clearinghouse on Masonic information
Education of youth about drugs and alcohol
Ohio Special Olympics
A non-denominational chapel for mediation and religious services at the International Peace Garden
Research into the causes and treatment of schizophrenia and related disorders
Research into auditory perception disorders in children
A Georgia children’s medical Center
A museum and library focusing on our American heritage as well as Freemasonry’s role in the history of our country
The first public library in the District of Columbia
Scholarships and fellowships for Ph.D. candidates in Public School Administration
Support for students seeking degrees in fields associated with service to country and humanity Orthopedic services to children through a network of 22 hospitals and treatment for burns victims at four burns centers
Support for the Muscular Dystrophy Association
A provider of new shoes for needy Tennessee and Alabama children
An orthopedic, neuralgic, and child development hospital in Texas
Operates a clinic for dyslexic and aphasia disorders in children
Provides needy homeless children in the school district with clothing and toiletries

The following is a brief listing of these American Masonic Charities mentioned above:
Abbott Scottish Rite Scholarship Program
Provides direct grants to children and grandchildren of Scottish Rite masons, as well as members of DeMolay, Job’s Daughters, Rainbow Girls, and other Masonic youth groups.
Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
P.O. Box 519
33 Marrett Road
Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
(617) 862-4410
Amaranth Diabetes Foundation
(Supports research on diabetes)
The Supreme Council, Order of the Amaranth
Mrs. Ethel B. Fry, Supreme Secretary
2303 Murdoch Avenue
Parkersburg, West Virginia 26101
(304) 485-0423 or (304) 428-1565
Camp Chicota
A summer camp for underprivileged children
Grand Lodge of Louisiana, Prince Hall Affiliation
1335-37 North Boulevard
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70821
(504) 387-0996
Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation
Supports arteriosclerosis research
Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation
Marion K. Crum, Executive Secretary
Route 4, Box 301
Nashville, Indiana 47448
(812) 988-8655
Des Moines Masonic Christmas Day Dinner
Provides Christmas Day Dinner for the community
Masonic Christmas Day Dinner
Masonic Temple
1011 Locus Street
Des Moines, Iowa 50309
(515) 244-6011
Eastern Star Cancer Research Project
Supports cancer research
General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
(202) 667-4737
Eastern Star Training Awards for Religious Leadership
Supports those who are making religious work their career
General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
(202) 667-4737
General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
Supports the Peace Chapel at the International Peace Garden which
provides a non-denominational chapel for meditation and religious
services
General Grand Chapter, Order of the Eastern Star
1618 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009-2578
(202) 667-4737
George Washington Masonic National Memorial
A museum and monument to our first President (and a Mason)
George Washington Masonic National Memorial
101 Calahan Drive
Alexandria, Virginia 22301
(703) 683-2007
George Washington University Grants
Provides grants to students in the Schools of Government and
Business Administration and International Affairs and matching
grants for graduate students
Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern Jurisdiction
1733 Sixteenth Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009-3199
*****-SR MASON
Grotto Dentistry for the Handicapped Program
Provides dental care to handicapped children
Supreme Council, M.O.V.P.E.R.
34 N. Fourth Street
Columbus, Ohio 43215
(614) 463-9193
Illinois Scottish Rite Nursing Scholarships
Provides scholarship assistance to nursing students throughout
the State of Illinois
Illinois Scottish Rite Fund
Illinois Council of Deliberation
915 N. Dearborn Street
Chicago, Illinois 60610
(312) 787-7605
Indiana Masonic Home Foundation
An endowment which supports the Indiana Masonic Home, a retirement
and convalescence center. Located on 360 acres, is home for over
400 residents.
P. O. Box 44210
525 North Illinois Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46224-0210
(800) 277-4643
Indianapolis Scottish Rite Foundation
Supports geriatric research at the University of Indiana Medical School
Indianapolis Scottish Rite Bodies
650 N. Meridian Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-1294
(317) 635-2301
International Order of Job’s Daughters
A organization for girls between the ages of eleven and twenty who are relatives of Master Masons
Supreme Guardian Council, International Order of Job’s Daughters
233 West 6th Street
Papillion, Nebraska 68046
(402) 592-7987
International Order of Rainbow for Girls
A organization for girls between the ages of eleven and eighteen who are daughters of Masonic or Eastern Star families or friends of such girls
International Order of Rainbow for Girls
P.O. Box 788
McAlester, Oklahoma 74502
(918) 423-1328
Kansas Masonic Oncology Center
Provides out-patient services for cancer treatment
Kansas Masonic Foundation
320 West 8th Street
P.O. Box 1217
Topeka, Kansas 66601-1217
(913) 357-7646
Knights Templar Educational Foundation
Provides students with low-cost education loans
5097 Elston Ave, Suite 101
Chicago, Illinois 60630-2460
(312) 427-5670
Knights Templar Eye Foundation
Supports eye surgery and prescription glasses
P.O. Box 579
Springfield, Illinois 62705-0579
(217) 523-3838
Minnesota Masonic Cancer Center
Provides treatment for cancer patients and supports research
Masonic Cancer Center Fund, Inc.
1700 West Highway 36, Suite 120
Roseville, Minnesota 55113
(612)639-8433
Masonic Hospital Visitation Program
Provides Masonic volunteers to work with patients at Veterans
Administration and military hospitals
Masonic Services Association of the United States
8120 Fenton Street
Silver Spring, Maryland 20910
(301) 588-4010
Masonic Medical Research Laboratory, Utica, New York
Supports research in heart disease, cancer, aging, hypertension,
and blood substitutes
2150 Bleeker Street
Utica, New York 13501-1787
(315) 735-2217
Masonic Memorial Auditorium, International Peace Garden
Provides meeting and performance facilities for visitors
Grand Lodge of North Dakota
201 14th Avenue North
Fargo, North Dakota 58102
(701) 235-8321
Masonic Services Association of the United States
Serves as a clearing house for Masonic information
National Masonic Foundation for the Prevention of
Drug and Alcohol Abuse Among Children
Supports education for youth about drugs and alcohol
1629 K Street N.W., Suite 606
Washington, D.C. 20006
(202) 331-1933
Ohio Special Olympics
The Masonic Grand Lodge of Ohio sponsors every Ohio Special Olympian at these games
Grand Lodge of Ohio
P.O. Box 629
Worthington, Ohio 43085-0629
(614) 885-5318
Order of DeMolay
A fraternal organization for boys between the ages of thirteen and
twenty-one; its purpose is the encouragement and development of good
citizenship and sound character
International Supreme Council, Order of DeMolay
10200 N. Executive Hills Boulevard
P.O. Box 901342
Kansas City, Missouri 64190-1342
(816) 891-8333
Research In Schizophrenia
Supports research into the causes and treatment of schizophrenia and related disorders
Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
P.O. Box 519
33 Marrett Road
Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
(617) 862-4410
Royal Arch Research Assistance Program
Supports research into auditory perception disorders in children
General Grand Chapter, Royal Arch Masons International
111 South 4th Street
Danville, Kentucky 40423-0489
(606) 236-0757
Scottish Rite Children’s Medical Center in Georgia
Provides generalized and specialized services to children
Scottish Rites Children’s Medical Center
1001 Johnson Ferry Road, N.E.
Atlanta, Georgia 30363
(404) 256-5252
Scottish Rite Museum of Our National Heritage
A museum and library focusing on our American heritage as well as
Freemasonry’s role in the history of our country
Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, N.M.J.
P.O. Box 519
33 Marrett Road
Lexington, Massachusetts 02173
(617) 862-4410
Scottish Rite Supreme Council Library
The first public library in the District of Columbia which today
serves the general public as well as international Masonic scholars
Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern Jurisdiction
1733 Sixteenth Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009-3199
*****-SR MASON
Shepherd Scholarship
Supports students seeking degrees in fields associated with service
to country and humanity
Shriners Hospitals for Children and Shriners Burn Institutes
Provides orthopedic services to children through a network of 22
hospitals and treatment for burns victims at three burns centers,
also provides specialized medical services for spinal cord injuries,
and cleft palates.
Direct phone to Shriners Hospitals for Children (USA) 800-237-5055
Shriner Headquarters
2900 Rocky Point Drive
Tampa, Florida 33607
[USA - (800) 282-9161 ] [Canada - (800) 361-7256] [All other areas
call collect - (813) 281-0300]
Tall Cedar Foundation
Supports the Muscular Dystrophy Association
Supreme Forest, Tall Cedars of Lebanon
2609 N. Front Street
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110
(717) 232-5991
Tennessee and Alabama Scottish Rite Shoe Program
Provides new shoes for need Tennessee and Alabama children
Chattanooga Scottish Rite Bodies
510 Uptain Building
Chattanooga, Tennessee 37411-4031
(615) 855-0175
Birmingham Scottish Rite Bodies
400 Valley Avenue
Birmingham, Alabama 35209-3899
(205) 942-2687
Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children
Provides orthopedic, neuralgic, and child development services to children in Texas
Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children
2222 Welborn Street
Dallas, Texas 75219-9982
(214) 521-3168
Masons Assisting Children (MAC)
Provides needy homeless children in the school district with clothing and toiletries
Masons Assisting Children
2200 West Mesquite
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
Scottish Rite Foundation
Operates a clinic for dyslexic and aphasia disorders in children
Scottish Rite Foundation
2200 West Mesquite
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106

Stumpmaster · Dec 8, 2009

In the name of Jesus Christ I pray that in time you will renounce Freemasonry and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

2Corinthians 4:3-6
(3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:(4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.(6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

cemab4y · Dec 8, 2009

Look Stumpy, I will NEVER renounce Freemasonry. I will be buried in my Mason's apron, and have a Masonic funeral. Masonry is part of me, and I am part of Masonry.

Christina · Dec 8, 2009

cemab4y said:
Look Stumpy, I will NEVER renounce Freemasonry. I will be buried in my Mason's apron, and have a Masonic funeral. Masonry is part of me, and I am part of Masonry.

Then why do you think its ok for you to come here and expect us to embrace your philosophy when its against our belief and who we are ... Seems a little hypocritical to me ...accepting all religions is againist our religion period !!!!!! your organization does this and puts oaths of men above God also against our religion .. We will never accept your organization ... and you would have to put God before your organization to be a Christian ... So there seems little point in you being here if thats all you what to discuss...

Adstar · Dec 9, 2009

cemab4y said:
Look Stumpy, I will NEVER renounce Freemasonry. I will be buried in my Mason's apron, and have a Masonic funeral. Masonry is part of me, and I am part of Masonry.

I hope Yaveh gives you the conviction to get out of freemasonry. His will shall be done. I hope you are forgiven.

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