You debunked Jesus himself.
I simply agreed with him.
Keep in mind though, he never sinned.
his inner God was perfecting him, which you disagree with.
Do you think it preposterous that the Father was inside him?
Shall we discuss this?
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I simply agreed with him.
Keep in mind though, he never sinned.
his inner God was perfecting him, which you disagree with.
Do you think it preposterous that the Father was inside him?
No, you keep saying the son made all things without reading the other verses.
It teaches us that the Father made everything THROUGH the son.
Not alongside...
Not behind the scenes....
You have a God person alongside a God person in your mind, but the Bible teaches God inside Christ, which all incarnationists vehemently oppose.
That's a lie. Have you read what will happen to "all liars"?
Which CLEARLY means that Jesus was there during the Creation.
You just keep making stuff up!
BARNEY BRIGHT
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God the Father made everything by(through) the man(lord)Jesus.....
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Then since Jesus didn't speak about secret doctrines as you say, why are so many who say their Christians speaking about the Trinity? Shouldn't they follow Jesus example and not speak about the Trinity doctrine since as you say he didn't speak about secret doctrines which the Trinity doctrine is.
Stan B
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It is not a secret in the Bible I read:
"Therefore go and make disciples in all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19
All things were created from God through His Word. And the Messiah is the Word of God made flesh. He is the image of God in the flesh, the image of his mind in the flesh. And the mind of God has been recognized through the words spoken by the Messiah.
Ronald Nolette
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No Jesus is not his own God. Jesus is equally divine/god as HIs Father is in essence or nature, but is inferior in position. What this means is that Jesus is just as much God as His Father in what He is, but in the trinity the Father is above all in position, then comes the son then the Holy Spirit.
That does not make Jesus or the Spirit less Divine (or God) but the Father has the highest position of authority and exaltation in the God head.
Just like in an army, the general is highest above the colonel and major but all three are equally human.
Ronald Nolette
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That is an opinion based on supposition. Yes in the hypostatic union Jesus was fully God/fully man. But being God in human flesh, He had no sin nature. If He had a sin nature- He would sin.
Ronald Nolette
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No that is the bible.
GOD is a generic term that has two meanings.
1. Who a "person" is in their essence or nature
2. A position a deity holds.
So Jesus can be God in his essence and still have His Father as god above HIm. For Jesus serves HIs Father.
What trinity are you talking about, for as far as I know, all three are equal in rank in the trinity.
Correct, Jesus did not speak in secret doctrine or codes.
Modern religions do. They have doctrines they will hide from us at our doorsteps.
I thought you guys(trins) teach Jesus is coequal?
No more equal, but is lower in rank?
A captain is an equal with a general?
Did Jesus describe God as a hypostatic union here?....
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
So the Father of Jesus is a God's God, just like my father is a man's man?
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Stan B
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Ronald Nolette
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Well The Father is God above all . But calling Him a Gods' God may be not so accurate. There are only three beings that are God! As to position, yes He is God's God, as to His nature, there are only three that are God.
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