If you believe this why are you stumbling over imputed righteousness? Unless you are justified by grace through faith and receive the imputed righteousness of Christ, you are not saved. So make up your mind, since the first step of salvation is justification.
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And yet here you are condemning the righteous, simply because Gods grace is not enough for you. You know that bit
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Who is doing the imputing? Now righteousness and humility are very related. God resists the proud. He resists the self-righteous. Can a person impute humility to himself? Can a person declare that he is righteous? And this presupposes you even understand what imputing means...apart from a religious indoctrination away from reality and good sense.
If God imputes humility to someone does that mean that person would know about it and then be able to boast about it? Is a person who once acted humble before God able to seize the imputation that God once saw so as to exploit it before God....as in...God, you have seen my humility?...so I declare my humility before you???
But I realize you have more of a cartoon idea of imputing whereby God is seeing something that isn't there.
Words have meanings that should not be tampered with for advantage. The word "impute" has lost it's meaning for many who seek to justify themselves and then claim that it is with God's sanction. But self-righteousness is not the same as God declaring a person righteous.
Take the statement...the breaking of the doll house was imputed to the little girl. Now if the little girl DIDN'T break the dollhouse then imputing that to her is a false accusation.
So then the whole premise of modern evangelicalism is based on a falsehood in that regard. A false attribution. And who is making this presumption of righteousness.... God? No. People justify themselves as righteous because of their own beliefs. God has no say in it.
We know that God hears our prayers when He subsequently intervenes. But no one should assume that God agrees with our assumptions.
There is a gift of righteousness...the righteousness of God. But that is something that imparts authority for miraculous interventions in the church and the world.
A good example of God's righteousness working through a man is when Peter declared Ananias and Sapphira as dead. Did Peter decide that? No. It was God's justice (righteousness). Likewise when Paul struck a man blind.
Miraculous interventions by God through a man can only take place by the righteousness of God...otherwise the man is a sorcerer. Power from God is meted out through the righteousness of God. But men do not possess that power.
There is no immunity from prosecution from sin. Mercy and judgment are determined by God through His righteousness. No man can take God's righteousness from Him. He chooses His own vessels to work through.
To claim that God's righteousness overlooks sin is as far from the truth as can be. God condemns sin in the flesh through His righteousness.
To not avow that is to do violence to God's righteous ways.
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He condemned sin to the flesh, because HE didnt come to save our flesh, and that is why in Him we are the righteousness of Christ.
Are you an Episcopal ??
Rom. 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
You need to hear the gospel...the real gospel.
Jesus came TO the flesh to save us away FROM the flesh.
I don't follow the traditions of men. I am a seeker...and I follow Christ. Jesus called me personally to follow Him. What other people do, they will do.
I don't justify myself or claim anything for myself. I am in the process of a walk of faith. Only God knows what I will end up being. But I have a living hope with NO certainties...except I trust the character of God to give me as HE sees fit. And He is a merciful God as well as just in His judgments.
So I run with fear knowing that God must judge righteously...working out my own salvation...but without worrying about it. I'm happy just to be called into the race.
mailmandan
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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
The real gospel is that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.. (1 Corinthians 15:3,4)
The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) *To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. That's not hard to understand. It's just hard for many people to ACCEPT and there is a reason for that. (1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
CharismaticLady
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I have no idea if you are righteous or not. You only claim that Jesus is righteous.
God's grace is EVERYTHING to me. Grace is the power of God to BE righteous.
You think it is just a cover-up of sin, so you can pass for righteous in the sight of God. That is a false doctrine. How many scriptures does it take for you to understand that God is HOLY, and there will be no one committing sin and thinking it is hidden in heaven.
The blood of Jesus TAKE AWAY the desire to sin (so you won't sin) by giving us the Holy Spirit and makes us BORN AGAIN. If you still have the same nature as you've always had, that is an absence of the Holy Spirit, the seed of the Father, 1 John 3:9.
Luke 8:17
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
cc: @Enoch111
and @Candidus (thought you would appreciate this)
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I believe in someone being "counted" as righteous. It is not "stumbling" to reject a false notion of transferred character where it is something never found in nature or in Scripture. Many choose the word "impute" because most do not understand it, and false teachers can insert false definitions to support their philosophical theories and to support their false doctrines.
What a great post!
I held the idea for a space of time that grace, along with being God's favor, is also His power in us, some passages seem to read that way. So I was confused for a little while. But I realized this isn't right. Everything we have, we have in Christ Jesus. All spiritual blessings in the heavenlies are in Christ.
So I've come back to the simplicity of the word itself, that grace is in fact God's favor to us. In creating a world to be our home, and making us so that we can know Him, and now, Grace is God's favor towards us in giving Jesus Christ to be our Savior.
Very well stated! You just made my morning!
Much love!
Aren't you an aging actor?This makes me wonder what people suppose me to be by my picture!
mailmandan
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Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Grace is the unmerited favor of God in which God shows believers mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) God's grace cannot be merited by our actions and is based on the character of God and not on our performance, or ability to keep the law. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 11:6 - "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Ephesians 2:8,9 - We are saved by grace through faith, not works, not of ourselves it is the gift of God.
Galatians 2:21 - "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
2 Timothy 1:9 - "who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."
Yet God's grace (enabling power) operates sovereignly in the lives of believers.
1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.
2 Corinthians 12:9 - And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.
Eternally Grateful
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It’s a general characteristic of the religious person. Like the Pharisee who thinks he is so pure and righteous. Who tells everyone to be like them
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Yeah the symbol of the old covenant and how it Points to the atoning work of
Christ means nothing
Eternally Grateful
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Even if you read past it you come to the same conclusion
not sure what your reading Paul does
Not contradict himself
Eternally Grateful
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Yet you will still stand condemned if not for the blood of Christ
you have grace being earned that’s not grace at all that’s works
Eternally Grateful
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The word impute literally means to credit to ones account
it is not our righteousness which is imputed it is Christ’s righteousness
Of course this is fully backwards. No one can have the righteousness of Christ imputed to him. Righteousness isn't transferable. That is the biggest fallacy possible.
The bible describes a person entering into Christ in order to partake of the righteousness of God which is by faith.
It's like entering an tank to become bullet proof. Is the armour of the tank imputed to a person? Of course not.
The armour remains the tanks. But we PARTAKE of the protective power afforded by the armour of the tank by entering INTO it.
So we are to put on the armour of God. It remains His armour. And if we leave the location that is Christ...then we also lose the protection of that armour.
So then we are (take on) the righteousness of God ( towards the world) IN Him. So the little words (like in or into) get ignored...but these make all the difference.
We are to seek first the kingdom of God...a spiritual place ..ZION...AND His righteousness. So then as we abide in Him in Zion we are covered by His righteousness. But that righteousness is never ours. And we can only partake of that righteousness of His as we enter and abide in Him WHERE He is....in Zion.
That is NOT the normal status of the common believer. Far from it.
We are called to put on Christ. And most people erroneously think that is a salvation by works...so they remain in their own flesh power. They never seek for the full grace of God's provision.
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