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kcnalp

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The father is in the son, therefore it is written the word became flesh. So in the son was god but the son is not god.
John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Amen John! Jesus is God.
 
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John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Amen John! Jesus is God.
The word is not a person, it is everything that comes out of the mouth of god:
Thus shall be my word that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me empty, but it shall direct what pleases me, and carry out what I have sent it for. = the father has SENT me.
 

BARNEY BRIGHT

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Well you personally should care about using Bibles that are as faithful to the original languages as possible, as the linguistic experts declare and publish!

There are many Bibles out there. Many are excellent and while not 100% accurate to the originals, they do no harm to doctrine. Then there are many that are so-so and then there are some that are downright bad and I dare say evil. The NWT is one of those evil Bibles! The anonymous non language experts who published teh NWT intentionally and deliberately added words that completely alter passages and the meaning of Scripture.

Again I could care less what others think of the NWT.
 

BARNEY BRIGHT

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I just quoted your NWT. Let's try it again.

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God."
Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matt 25 you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Rev 20 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Again you know nothing about JW or the NWT you continuing to send the same post again and again isn't going to make me believe differently about that fact.
 

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I don't believe the scriptures or true christianity has secret doctrines. 2Timothy 3:16.17 are very clear that the scriptures give you everything you need to know the truth about God and how he is going to undo everything Satan has done. There are no secret doctrines concerning that.
You mean like the

Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

and

Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

lots of secrets Mysteries in their but one needs God to reveal the to Him, bible cant do that

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

But men continually refuse Him and Christ with His Spirit so they know nothing.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Teh wisdom on men is foolishness in teh eyes Of God, but every man is wise in his own eyes,
 

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Sorry you bothered to write all this. but a cursory look at Hebrew past a strongs which is a beginning tool shows Elohim is plural!


Ok let's take a look at "Elohim" ...

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.


Feel free to look it up on the internet. The word "god" used there is "Elohim".

Soooo, you are saying that Moses is Plural/three/unity - Good luck with that.
 
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You mean like the

Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

and

Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

lots of secrets Mysteries in their but one needs God to reveal the to Him, bible cant do that

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

But men continually refuse Him and Christ with His Spirit so they know nothing.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Teh wisdom on men is foolishness in teh eyes Of God, but every man is wise in his own eyes,

These so called secrets that you're talking about are secrets that the True God withholds from unbelievers not from those who are his Holy ones that God has called, Christians. So if you're saying that these are secrets to you and others who say they're Christians maybe you and they are actually unbelievers.
 

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These so called secrets that you're talking about are secrets that the True God withholds from unbelievers not from those who are his Holy ones that God has called, Christians. So if you're saying that these are secrets to you and others who say they're Christians maybe you and they are actually unbelievers.
He only reveals things to those who seek Him, and you are a Holy one??, now you put yourself on that religious pedestal, as men do. Your church and its doctrines are as wrong as every other religion and there doctrines but men love their churches more than they do God, all you do as religious men do is preach your religions doctrines.
 

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He only reveals things to those who seek Him, and you are a Holy one??, now you put yourself on that religious pedestal, as men do. Your church and its doctrines are as wrong as every other religion and there doctrines but men love their churches more than they do God, all you do as religious men do is preach your religions doctrines.

I didn't say anything about I being a Holy one but I do recognize those who are even if you and others don't. These Holy ones spread the good news of his kingdom and the truth about the True God and his way of how he's going to undo everything Satan has done. All the truths about the True God and his kingdom including the sacred secrets you're bringing up are taught to those Holy ones by God's Holy Spirit who in turn teach them to those who recognize them as those Jehovah God has called. Most people today don't even recognize who the True God is much less recognize that he has an Only Begotten Son. So how could they know the truth about who Jehovah God's true people are and therefore know which is the true congregation/church that God is working through.
 

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Are you implying Jesus God and the Holy Spirit became obsolete when the bible was written, teh bible talks about being Led by teh Spirit no a book or men.

Are you saying the scriptures should be ignore. The scriptures were inspired by The True God Holy Spirit. The scriptures tell us to follow Jesus steps closely. How can we do this if we don't learn about Jesus who he was how he lived his life if we don't study the scriptures. Pus God's Holy Spirit tells us the truth at 2 Timothy 3:16,17 so how can we not live by the scriptures when God's Holy Spirit tell us to basically.
 

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The word is not a person,
Have you ever read the Bible?

John 1:1-3 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
 

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Again you know nothing about JW or the NWT you continuing to send the same post again and again isn't going to make me believe differently about that fact.
So you don't even believe your beloved NWT!

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God."
Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matt 25 you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Rev 20 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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Are you implying Jesus God and the Holy Spirit became obsolete when the bible was written, teh bible talks about being Led by teh Spirit no a book or men.
No book? So much for the Bible then.

Psalm 119:105 (NKJV)
105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.
 

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Have you ever read the Bible?

John 1:1-3 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
This is the biblical language. God speaks a language that is foreign to us. Not only his word is represented like a "person", also the wicked is represented in the Book of Proverbs like a woman, cities and countries are represented like persons, God speaks with individual cities as if they were real persons, the wisdom is also represented as if it were a person.
 

kcnalp

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This is the biblical language. God speaks a language that is foreign to us. Not only his word is represented like a "person", also the wicked is represented in the Book of Proverbs like a woman, cities and countries are represented like persons, God speaks with individual cities as if they were real persons, the wisdom is also represented as if it were a person.
I have a very strong suspicion that Jesus came as a man. I.E. He and Him, you know, like Father and Son.

"a Child is born"

"a Son"

"Mighty God"

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:1-3 (NKJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
 

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it means My Lord, no plural

Your stubborness , especially when you are absolutely wrong and can find you are wrong with a 10 second google search is truly sad!

Adon is singular and Adonai is plural. I don't want you to take my word for it- Look it yup and stop being so benighted.