A Third Temple In Jerusalem.

Martin W. · Jun 11, 2010

Streetsweeper said:
Certainly there is no mention of the temple being rebuilt, but there is an even stronger affirmation that after it's destruction, the Temple of the Lords body would would be raised.

[sup]18[/sup]So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?" [sup]19[/sup]Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
John 2:18,19

Yes streetsweeper, Jesus was referring to his body (as temple) in John 2:18,19 but we have to remember he was responding to Jews who demanded a miraculous sign to prove his authority. Thus Jesus used his death and ressurection three days later as a type of proof.

I do not feel Jesus was talking about the actual temple building , although the Jews did . They did not even recognize his proof after his 3rd day resurrection and did not catch on to the fact Jesus was referring to his body (as temple). Those who remained in unbelief continued to use their temple (building) until about 70 AD when it was destroyed.

Since then the Jews have always longed for a temple again , but first they needed their country back and the Holy mount in Jerusalem. Now all they need is the elbowroom to build another temple. This will be nearly impossible to accomplish unless the enemies of Israel are pushed far away. Maybe it will be Psalm 83 put into effect , who knows.

As Christians we can properly refer to Jesus' body as a temple , and our own bodies as a temple of The Holy Spirit, but we must keep in mind the Jews (in unbelief) want a temple (literal building) like the old days. It is as though God will let them fulfill these desires as they remain in unbelief , up to the point (The Antichrist) demands worship.

At that moment they know they have been tricked. A Jew will do many things wrong at times , but will never worship anyone but God.

These comments of mine are in my own words as to how I generally expect end times events to unfold. It is a "best guess" and of course subject to correction.

1948 founding of modern Israel renewed the Christians on this topic.
The capture of Jerusalem added to that
The prosperity and military might of tiny Israel is almost miraculous in the last 60 years'
The stirring of Islam as anti-Jew and anti- christian is now the major world issue
Bill Salus' re-awakening of long dormant Psalm 83 is noteworthy.
I wonder what the Lord plans next. Interesting times.

Best wishes in our studies of the Temples ..... all 101 of them ....

Martin W.

Streetsweeper · Jun 12, 2010

Martin W. said:
Since then the Jews have always longed for a temple again

So Jesus tells us there is a temple at which we can worship. John 2:18,19
There is a true eternal heavenly temple where Jesus now rules in the presence of God. Hebrews 9:24
Jesus sacrifice of himself, for us, did away for all time the need for ritual sacrifice. Hebrews 10:8-10
Jesus came first to Jews and then to the gentiles. Mark 7:27

Why would any Christian recognise any validity in a desire by the people of the modern day nation called 'Israel' to build another facsimile temple whose purpose has already been relegated to the dustbin of God's history in this world?

Martin W. · Jun 12, 2010

Streetsweeper said:
Why would any Christian recognise any validity in a desire by the people of the modern day nation called 'Israel' to build another facsimile temple whose purpose has already been relegated to the dustbin of God's history in this world?

Not sure I ever looked at it that way actually.
I have always looked at Israel with interest because it is clicking right along in prophecy.
Since 1948 Christians have been caught up with great interest in end time events.
In other words it is the excitement of seeing scripture fulfilled that I find interesting , not the continued un-belief of Israel. Hope that makes sense.

Streetsweeper · Jun 12, 2010

Martin W. said:
Not sure I ever looked at it that way actually.
I have always looked at Israel with interest because it is clicking right along in prophecy.
Since 1948 Christians have been caught up with great interest in end time events.
In other words it is the excitement of seeing scripture fulfilled that I find interesting , not the continued un-belief of Israel. Hope that makes sense.

You are most open minded.
I doubt that I would be so accepting of an argument such as I gave, which I think is very confronting.

I think modern day Israel is a fascinating entity. I am absolutely undecided as to whether Israel should have been created. The uprooting of the Palestinian people from lands and homes which they occupied for centuries seems criminal. The Jewish people on the other hand clearly needed a homeland and their religious affiliation with Palestine makes that a very logical place for them to be established.

Now, so many years after Israel was resettled by the Jews, I think they have a right to exist there as a nation.

I do have a lot empathy for the modern day Israel. Having my own relationship with the Lord and recognising their connection to the descendants of Abraham does make their humanity seem more evident than what I might recognise in the people of other nations. That's probably not very rational but it does factor in my attitudes to Israel.

Never the less while I do recognise a legitimacy of the country, I have been appalled recently at the apparently inhuman treatment imposed by Israel on the Palestinian people.

JarBreaker · Jun 12, 2010

Follower said:
You are avoiding the issue that Jews have no interest in building a Temple.

This person cant reply but if they happen to still be watching then check out

http://www.templeinstitute.org/moving-menorah.htm

the temple implements are totally finished, they are just waiting ... priest garments, brazen laver all of it

Everyone please note im not throwing my towel in with them on this, but the statement I quoted couldnt be further from the truth.

Follower said:
There is no mention of a third temple being built and such an idea contracts everything the Bible

Read ezekiel ... and there will be sacrifices re-instated in the millenium, that whole thing of "if they do not come up to Jerusalem, they will get no rain" ?

Come up to Jerusalem for what ? for the moedim

Hamster · Jul 14, 2010

The abomination of desecration....

Didn't that already happen in the First Century A.D. by the Romans before they Destroyed Jerusalem?

Wasn't that what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24?

It talks about the signs of Christ's coming and the signs for when the Temple will be destroyed, and everything Jesus said about the Temple being destroyed came true and that is why he said that "this generation will not pass away" before they come to pass.

Paul · Jul 14, 2010

Hamster said:
The abomination of desecration....

Didn't that already happen in the First Century A.D. by the Romans before they Destroyed Jerusalem?

Wasn't that what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24?

It talks about the signs of Christ's coming and the signs for when the Temple will be destroyed, and everything Jesus said about the Temple being destroyed came true and that is why he said that "this generation will not pass away" before they come to pass.

No, Christ was not talking about 70 AD. That did not destroy the temple, just messed it up a bit. Large parts of the old wall are still standing.

Mattew 24 is in theprocess of happening now.

Hamster · Jul 14, 2010

Paul said:
No, Christ was not talking about 70 AD. That did not destroy the temple, just messed it up a bit. Large parts of the old wall are still standing.

Mattew 24 is in theprocess of happening now.

Well, what is standing now, the "west" wall or is it the east?

I'm not sure, but that wall that is still standing is apart of the renovations King Herod made around the temple.

The Temple itself that was made after the exile was completely destroyed by the Romans.

Matthew 24:1-3

[sup]1[/sup] As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. [sup]2[/sup] But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!” [sup]3[/sup] Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?

Right here, it is shown that Jesus talks about two things. The destruction of the Second Temple, and the signs of his second coming

Verses 15-16

[sup]15[/sup] “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration[sup][d][/sup] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) [sup]16[/sup] “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.

Jesus says that those in Judea must, they must flea to the hills.

Why?
because of what was going to happen. The Romans came around 67 A.D. and they came up to Jerusalem. They left and came back 3 years later and destroyed the city.

The desecration happen the first time the Romans where there around 67 A.D.

remember how many Jews were crucified after Jerusalem was destroyed, literally tens of thousands of them where, they didn't have enough crosses, they crucified two people per cross.

Paul · Jul 14, 2010

Hamster said:
...Not one stone will be left on top of another...

when Christ return the job will be completed.

Hamster · Jul 14, 2010

Paul said:
when Christ return the job will be completed.

Why do you say that?

Where does it say that this will be done when Christ returns?

Paul · Jul 14, 2010

Hamster said:
Why do you say that?

Where does it say that this will be done when Christ returns?

You look, you will find it.

Hamster · Jul 14, 2010

Paul said:
You look, you will find it.

That's a rather bothersome post. What if I read the chapter and I cannot find the passage where Christ says that this will happen when I come back

skyangel · Jul 17, 2010

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

1 Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Cor 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

whirlwind · Jul 17, 2010

Hamster said:
That's a rather bothersome post. What if I read the chapter and I cannot find the passage where Christ says that this will happen when I come back

Mark 13:1-2 And as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples saith unto Him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Elijah returns · Aug 5, 2010

its coming, and very, very soon.....I live here in Jerusalem.....

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Third-Temple-in-Jerusalem

Visit this link to view the videos

This rebuilding is in line with Daniel 9:27 and the final 7 years. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad, but there is also a future "desolation" to come as Antichrist storms it with the armies of the earth and makes it his seat of power prior to sitting down in the temple and declaring himself God.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Seventy-Weeks-of-Years

http://hubpages.com/hub/Destruction-of-Jerusalem-Still-Future

http://hubpages.com/hub/Antichrist-the-Coming-PrinceMan-of-Sin

Elijah returns · Aug 5, 2010

Elijah returns said:
its coming, and very, very soon.....I live here in Jerusalem.....

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Third-Temple-in-Jerusalem

Visit this link to view the videos

This rebuilding is in line with Daniel 9:27 and the final 7 years. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad, but there is also a future "desolation" to come as Antichrist storms it with the armies of the earth and makes it his seat of power prior to sitting down in the temple and declaring himself God.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Seventy-Weeks-of-Years

http://hubpages.com/hub/Destruction-of-Jerusalem-Still-Future

http://hubpages.com/hub/Antichrist-the-Coming-PrinceMan-of-Sin

Rabbi Chaim Richman interviewed by LiveTV concerning the Temples future rebuild which is coming soon as part of the 7 year covenant as spoken of by Daniel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsEMjpZZoo&feature=player_embedded

The last 7 Years of mankind's history with Jim Baxter, the building of a temple and the Euphrates river war.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ela1FEcmcM&feature=player_embedded

RND · Aug 30, 2010

maxx said:
Will it be built ?

No. Christ is the Temple.

1 Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

veteran · Aug 30, 2010

II Th 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(KJV)

The spiritual Temple cannot fall to corruption, for it is holy and founded upon Christ Jesus The Cornerstone, His Apostles and prophets, and the Body of His Church. Those who try to corrupt the spiritual Temple cannot, and are simply cut off from it. Now who would want those in Christ to think Christ's spiritual Temple could be corrupted?

It's obvious then Apostle Paul was not speaking of a spiritual temple in the 2 Thess.2 Scripture, but a literal temple in Jerusalem, which has always been the earthly pattern.

Here's what Apostle Paul was referring to...

Rev 11:1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(KJV)

Gentiles treading the holy city and outer court of the temple for 42 months is linked to the 42 months time period the dragon of Rev.13 is given to work upon the earth. And "them that worship therein" points to orthdox Jews holding temple worship inside. Then God's two witnesses appear there in Jerusalem and prophecy against the beast for 1260 days. That suggests another temple in Jerusalem will be built for the coming false messiah, the false one Paul described coming in 2 Thess.2.

RND · Aug 30, 2010

veteran said:
II Th 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(KJV)

The spiritual Temple cannot fall to corruption, for it is holy and founded upon Christ Jesus The Cornerstone, His Apostles and prophets, and the Body of His Church. Those who try to corrupt the spiritual Temple cannot, and are simply cut off from it. Now who would want those in Christ to think Christ's spiritual Temple could be corrupted?

It's obvious then Apostle Paul was not speaking of a spiritual temple in the 2 Thess.2 Scripture, but a literal temple in Jerusalem, which has always been the earthly pattern.

Considering that all the references to the Body of Christ are a reference to the spiritual temple and the fact that for hundreds of years there has been one to proclaim that he is God on earth and sits over all Christians on earth it is easy to see that this temple is referring to the entire body of believers!

"Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...
"The Pope alone is called most holy...
"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.
"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.
"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....
"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

"[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.

Here's what Apostle Paul was referring to...

Rev 11:1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(KJV)

Gentiles treading the holy city and outer court of the temple for 42 months is linked to the 42 months time period the dragon of Rev.13 is given to work upon the earth. And "them that worship therein" points to orthdox Jews holding temple worship inside. Then God's two witnesses appear there in Jerusalem and prophecy against the beast for 1260 days. That suggests another temple in Jerusalem will be built for the coming false messiah, the false one Paul described coming in 2 Thess.2.

Every Protestant reformer, to a man, knew that Bible prophecy was pointing directly to Rome. Using the "day/year" principal 42 mos. equates to 1,260 years which is a reference to the time between 538AD and 1798AD when Berthier enter Rome, disposed the Pope, and essentially wounded the head of the beast. With the signing of the Lateran Treaty of 1929 the deadly wound was healed.

http://biblelight.net/wound.htm

veteran · Aug 30, 2010

The Protestant rebellion against the Roman Church and the Reformation happenned long ago. I have an ancestor from France that was a Hugenot that was killed in the Protestant rebellion, which is why my French ancestors moved to Britain, and then America. The reformers held in their day that the pope was the antichrist because of corruption within the Roman Church. But today, now we can see corruption with many Protestant Churches too. And here we are today and Christ has not returned as is prophesied to happen in the days of the false one Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2. So those who keep holding to that old idea that the pope is the antichrist have to be doing so for political reasons, and not because of what's written in God's Word for the end of this world.

And again I declare, the True Body of Christ cannot be corrupted, for those who stand in Christ make up the lively stones of the spiritual Temple, of which Christ is The Cornerstone. To assume that the spiritual Temple can be corrupted is to assume that Christ Himself can be corrupted. That is a doctrine of men, and not from God in His Word. This is why most Protestants still do not bow to a pope in Rome.

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