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First thanks for the reply, second, So we take this as you cannot answer the question? or is it you are conceding that the Father is the Son Jesus the same person? well either way, you lied. and here's how you lied.

Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee" ONE PERSON, not God light shinging through the son... lol. you can play that side stepping nonesense with someone else. by saying,

"It is God's light shining THROUGH Jesus which met Paul and then Jesus spoke to him. This is the Col 2:9 effect in demonstration for Paul to see. This is precisely why he understood Col 2:9 personally. He knew all of God was inside Jesus. Not, all of God put on a body as Jesus, as oneness surmises."

that's a total LIE you just told to TRY to avoid the question. Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee" ONE PERSON, not God light shining through Jesus..... lol. do you not say that the "Father" is one PERSON? well only one PERSON met him.

well let expose you, and your LIE,

lets clearly see the truth, Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth." the apostle Paul was declaring to the Jews how he was converted when he went to Damascus. listen to the account. see that word, "chosen" here in Acts 22:14, it's the Greek word,
G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai (pro-chei-riy'-zo-mai) v.
1. to handle for oneself in advance.
2. (figuratively) to purpose.
[middle voice from G4253 and a derivative of G5495]
KJV: choose, make
Root(s): G4253, G5495

now there's another account of this same incident spoken by Paul, when he appeared before king Agrippa, with more detail. listen, Acts 26:12 "Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,"
Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."
Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest."
Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"
Acts 26:17 "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,"

see that word, "make "Truther, it's the same word for "chosen"in Acts 22:14 when Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,". the God of Ananias fathers, the nation of ISRAEL is "JESUS", yes Jesus, is their and our Father. listen,
Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest." BINGO.
Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"

now here is the revelation, the word, make" in verse 16 above is the same word for "choosen" in Acts 22:14, BINGO.
it was JUST "ONE" person who confronted Paul, then Saul on the Damascus road.

now listen, Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" BINGO, the "Lord" Chose Paul, then Saul. NOW this,

Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.", now the Icicing on the cake,

Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"

MAKE is the same word for "chosen"............. :eek: YIKES! that has busted your lie.


so Truther, you lied from, A. IGNORANCE, and B. PRIDE. if you taught oneness for three years, you LIED for three years.

are you getting this? the disciple Ananias knew that the Lord JESUS was the Father... :D YIKES!. this is why the churches today is in so much confusion. men teaching what they don't know.

now take this advice from the LORD, JESUS, the "Father".... Listen carefully.
Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

see how you lied to try and cover up your ignorance of the Word of the Lord?, you should have not said anything.

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Question, does the bible teach "God through Christ", or "God as Christ"?
 

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Question, does the bible teach "God through Christ", or "God as Christ"?
so we can take this as you could not answer the question?...... :D .. yes, because all the apostles, and even lay people in the early church knew that the Lord JESUS is God, the Holy Spirit, who holds both, "titles", Father & Son.

as for any question from you, you have lost your or any credibility you might have had to ask. do what the bible say do, Hebrews 5:11 -14 (kjv).

no need to ask question now, we suggest, READ FIRST, and hopefully with the Holy Spirit.

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to all, who may follow this topic. all the early church members knew "WHAT" the Lord Jesus was, and "WHO" he is....... God diversified, or is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh.

as we just seen, one need to search out words and their meaning. only the Holy Spirit can teach us. find if one has an education, and I'm for anyone to get an education, and a degree if possible. but NEVER, I mean NEVER put your education ahead of God and his wisdom.

the bible is clear. we must put line upon line. precept upon precept, but by the Holy Ghost.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."
Isaiah 28:12 "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."
Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

do do this one must have the teaching of the Holy Spirit. you cannot get this on your own......

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so we can take this as you could not answer the question?...... :D .. yes, because all the apostles, and even lay people in the early church knew that the Lord JESUS is God, the Holy Spirit, who holds both, "titles", Father & Son.

as for any question from you, you have lost your or any credibility you might have had to ask. do what the bible say do, Hebrews 5:11 -14 (kjv).

no need to ask question now, we suggest, READ FIRST, and hopefully with the Holy Spirit.

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This is the unanswerable question to both oneness AND trinitarians....

Question, does the bible teach "God through Christ", or "God as Christ"?


Since it only works one way, both of you 2 groups skeedaddle out of it like you just did.

Kinda strange, but true.
 

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This is the unanswerable question to both oneness AND trinitarians....

Question, does the bible teach "God through Christ", or "God as Christ"?


Since it only works one way, both of you 2 groups skeedaddle out of it like you just did.

Kinda strange, but true.
WITHIN........ :eek: YIKES!


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Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Joh_7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Luk_1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
 

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WITHIN........ :eek: YIKES!


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Within(through) Christ equals 2 beings....one inside the other.(1 Divine inside 1 human).

You just realized that oneness is wrong. They teach one IS the other.(1 divinity is also His human self).
 

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Within(through) Christ equals 2 beings....one inside the other.(1 Divine inside 1 human).

You just realized that oneness is wrong. They teach one IS the other.(1 divinity is also His human self).
LOL, what do G243 states... as with another, Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;".

1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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LOL, what do G243 states... as with another, Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;".

1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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Paul, before you deliver me to satan, answer my question.

Thanks.
 

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Paul, before you deliver me to satan, answer my question.

Thanks.
how ignorant can you be. do you really understand what "EQUAL SHARE", of oneself means, once again, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

if you need help in understanding, "his" ... OWN ARM ........ your faculties have been arrested. and the way it's seem, the keys have been thrown away.... :eek: YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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how ignorant can you be. do you really understand what "EQUAL SHARE", of oneself means, once again, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

if you need help in understanding, "his" ... OWN ARM ........ your faculties have been arrested. and the way it's seem, the keys have been thrown away.... :eek: YIKES!.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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God has an arm?

I thought God is a Spirit per John 4:24.

Did you know that the last Adam(Jesus) was found all through the O.T. speaking etc?

Did you know this redo of the 1st Adam volunteered to die for us?

Did you know that it is impossible for God to become human and die?

Did you know that God is not a man, but a Spirit?

Did you know that God does not have a human, weak nature melded into His being?

Did you know....?
 

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God has an arm?

I thought God is a Spirit per John 4:24.
quit thinking, it do you no good.... :p
anthropomorphism... LOL, LOL, LOL, Isaiah 63:12 "That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?"

Did you know that the last Adam(Jesus) was found all through the O.T. speaking etc?
did you? and the NT... lol. my, my... what a drag.

Did you know this redo of the 1st Adam volunteered to die for us?
my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.

Did you know that it is impossible for God to become human and die?
again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.

Did you know that God is not a man, but a Spirit?
again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.

Did you know that God does not have a human, weak nature melded into His being?
again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.

Did you know....?
do you?.... U KNOW NOTHING, for the scriptures are clear, Ecclesiastes 9:5..... :D YIKES!.

do you know that Jesus is the only person who have immortality? .... "do you know that?".......

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quit thinking, it do you no good.... :p
anthropomorphism... LOL, LOL, LOL, Isaiah 63:12 "That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?"


did you? and the NT... lol. my, my... what a drag.


my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.


again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.


again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.


again, my gosh!, :D no kidding.... lol.


do you?.... U KNOW NOTHING, for the scriptures are clear, Ecclesiastes 9:5..... :D YIKES!.

do you know that Jesus is the only person who have immortality? .... "do you know that?".......

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Yes, because Jesus was even crucified before the world was made.

Do you agree?
 

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NO...

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8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


Do you agree yet?
 

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8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


Do you agree yet?
1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

do you KNOW what "foreordained" mean?...... lol.... :rolleyes: YIKES!.

on how ignorant the simple mind of those who perish.

and then you talk about do you ... KNOW......... lol.

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@Truther, you said you taught oneness for three years. DON'T go near a class room of students again, ok. don't touch a eraser, or blackboard, ever again, alright. don't even attempt to claim that you taught before.... just sit still, and Learn.... and listen to these scriptures,
Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." (your avatar prove that point, a babe).
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

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1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

do you KNOW what "foreordained" mean?...... lol.... :rolleyes: YIKES!.

on how ignorant the simple mind of those who perish.

and then you talk about do you ... KNOW......... lol.

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So, Jeremiah was know by God before he was conceived but not Christ?

Maybe foreordained is preordained....?

Right, you must exist to be ordained.

So, the preordained Christ was revealed to man.
 

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@Truther, you said you taught oneness for three years. DON'T go near a class room of students again, ok. don't touch a eraser, or blackboard, ever again, alright. don't even attempt to claim that you taught before.... just sit still, and Learn.... and listen to these scriptures,
Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." (your avatar prove that point, a babe).
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

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30 years.(correction).

Your idea of strong meat is Strong's commentary, seasoned with Dulle and Bernard.