Advice Requested On Who Gets To Heaven And Why

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John Zain

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I'm looking for advice before using this ...
What do you think about it?

God is everywhere ... He knows and sees everything
“Do I not fill heaven and earth? says the LORD.” ------------------------------------------ Jeremiah 23:24
“Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit.” ---------------- Psalms 147:5
“… those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge?” ------------------------ Job 37:16
“I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.” - Isaiah 46:10
“Known to God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” ----------------------- Acts 15:18
“The eyes of the LORD are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good.” -- Proverbs 15:3
“For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth” ------------------ 2 Chronicles 16:9
“For a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past” ----------- Psalm 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
“And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.” -------------------------------- Matthew 10:30
“God is greater than our hearts, and He knows everything.” ------------------------------ 1 John 3:20

God knows peoples’ hearts
“… the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts.” 1 Chronicles 28:9
“But the LORD said to Samuel, “… the LORD looks at the heart.” --------------------------- 1 Samuel 16:7
“… whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men)” ------ 1 Kings 8:39
“For He knows the secrets of the heart.” ---------------------------------------------------- Psalms 44:21
“You perceive my thoughts from afar … You are familiar with all my ways.
Before a word is on my tongue You know it completely, O LORD” --------------------------- Psalms 139:2-4
“… the LORD, searching all the inner depths of his heart.” ---------------------------------- Proverbs 20:27
“I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind” --------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 17:10

God knows the people He wants to have in Heaven
“The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart,
and saves such as have a contrite spirit” ----------------------------------------------------- Psalms 34:18
“I dwell in the high and holy place, with him who has a contrite and humble spirit” --------- Isaiah 57:15
“For the LORD takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the humble with salvation” --- Psalms 149:4
“You will save the humble people” ------------------------------------------------------------ 2 Samuel 22:28
“Surely He scorns the scornful, but gives grace to the humble.” ----------------------------- Proverbs 3:34
“… a meek and humble people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.” ------------- Zephaniah 3:12
“Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” ------- James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5
A repentant heart towards God is absolutely necessary …
Matthew 9:13, Mark 1:15, Luke 13:3, Acts 3:19, Acts 17:30, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 1:9
Perhaps the poor are the most likely (percentage-wise) to have the right heart attitude:
“But on this one will I look: on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit” --------------------- Isaiah 66:2
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” ------------------------ Matthew 5:3
The “poor in spirit” can be poor in abilities, finances, social status, reputation, etc.
“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me (Jesus),
because He (Father God) has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor” ------ Luke 4:18, Isaiah 61:1
“… the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them.” --- Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22
“Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom?” - James 2:5

God chooses and calls His “elect”
Many Jews in the OT were “chosen”, but then were rejected because of rebellion, disobedience, etc.
“To God's elect ...
who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” ----------------- 1 Peter 1:1-2
“In Him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to His plan” -------------- Ephesians 1:11
“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world … having predestined us” --------- Ephesians 1:4-5
“God from the beginning chose you for salvation…to which He called you by our gospel” -- 2 Thessal. 2:13
“The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will” --------------------- Acts 22:14
“Him who called you out of darkness” --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Peter 2:9
“Therefore, as the elect of God …” ------------------------------------------------------------ Colossians 3:12
“Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect” ------------------------------------- 2 Timothy 2:10
“according to the faith of God’s elect” -------------------------------------------------------- Titus 1:1
“… and those who are with Him (Jesus) are called, chosen, and faithful.” ------------------- Revel. 17:14
“Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. ----------------------- Romans 8:33
“… (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the
purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls” ------ Romans 9:11
“… at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace …
… the elect have obtained it (favor with God, salvation), and the rest were blinded.” ------ Romans 11:5-7
“… knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God.” --------------------------------------- 1 Thessal. 1:4

Father God gives His “elect” to Jesus
“All that the Father[sup] [/sup]gives to Me will come to Me” -------------------------------------- John 6:37
“of all He has given to Me I should lose nothing” --------------------------------------- John 6:39
“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” ----------------- John 6:44
“Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.” --- John 6:45
“no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father” ----------- John 6:65
“My sheep hear My voice … My Father, who has given them to Me” ----------------- John 10:29
“eternal life to as many as You have given to Him” ----------------------------------- John 17:2
“those whom You have given (to) Me” ------------------------------------------------ John 17:9
“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave (to) Me …” ------------------------- John 17:24
“Every plant which My heavenly Father[sup] [/sup]has not planted will be uprooted” ----------- Matthew 15:13

God makes sure His “elect” make it through to the end
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God,
to those who are the called according to His purpose.
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined … whom He predestined, these He also called;
whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”
(Romans 8:28-30)
God’s elect are … foreknown >>> predestined (chosen) >>> called >>> justified >>> glorified
 
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Wow, thank you for putting that all together
and posting it!
:) Miss Hepburn
 

Martin W.

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God’s elect are … foreknown >>> predestined (chosen) >>> called >>> justified >>> glorified

I think that is pretty well the standard message of the whole bible. Nothing new here. He has always known everything from beginning to end and He admits it.

It is we humans who know very little and we do not want to admit it.

For His own reasons, using mercy and grace, God has decided to choose some of us for glory. We are not always told why , but if we are on the winners list we should be thankful and humbled.

Martin W.
 

John Zain

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I think that is pretty well the standard message of the whole bible. Nothing new here. He has always known everything from beginning to end and He admits it. It is we humans who know very little and we do not want to admit it. For His own reasons, using mercy and grace, God has decided to choose some of us for glory. We are not always told why , but if we are on the winners list we should be thankful and humbled.
But, of course, there are those Armenian verses, all of which should fit in somehow.
God wants everyone to be saved, but seeing who they really are, cannot.

Then, there are "the potter and the clay" verses in both OT and NT,
where the Lord talks about creating some for honor and some for dishonor.
Is this knowing the soul before it is even created?

Deep stuff ... but perhaps we should be prepared to answer the inevitable questions.

Do you know any verses which could cause serious conflicts?