I was just reading in the Bible (see @Hidden In Him I'm not just for goofing around) that we aren't held accountable for the sins of those before us,.. so why are the sins of Adam and Eve and Adam in particular any different?
Sins Of Adam?
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Webers_Home
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• Ezek 18:20 . .The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not
share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
FAQ: If the above is true, then how can God rightfully make Adam's
posterity share his guilt in the forbidden fruit incident per Rom 5:12-18?
A: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not enforced ex post facto,
i.e. they aren't retroactive.
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• Ezek 18:20 . .The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not
share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
FAQ: If the above is true, then how can God rightfully make Adam's
posterity share his guilt in the forbidden fruit incident per Rom 5:12-18?
A: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not enforced ex post facto,
i.e. they aren't retroactive.
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I passionately believe we are NOT accountable for Adam and Eve’s doings. Yes, thier doings had/have fallout that greatly affects us, but that’s completely different than being accountable for them.
Webers_Home
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Thru the same legal machinations by which God made Adam's posterity
sinners by means of one man's disobedience, God makes Christ's
followers righteous by means of one man's compliance. (Rom 5:12-18)
God's justice system is pretty strange to my way of thinking, but seeing
as how it works for Him, then what the hay; I'm on board with it.
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Thru the same legal machinations by which God made Adam's posterity
sinners by means of one man's disobedience, God makes Christ's
followers righteous by means of one man's compliance. (Rom 5:12-18)
God's justice system is pretty strange to my way of thinking, but seeing
as how it works for Him, then what the hay; I'm on board with it.
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There's a HUGE difference between:
1) living in a sinful world and having the temptation to sin.
2) being automatically guilty for somebody else's crime.
I don't remotely find God or His ways doing #2, but I often see professing Christians teaching that exact thing. A newborn baby is innocent and without sin. Not somebody who's automatically guilty of crime their their great-great-(x100)-great grandpa did.
Hidden In Him
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Thanks for the invite. Can of worms and I've got other "fish to fry" atm, LoL (pardon the turn on the analogy), but I will try to respond later on if I can.
God bless, and I hope you have a wonderful day!
Webers_Home
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The good news is: Adam's disobedience wasn't a sin unto Hell; it's only a
sin unto death. In other words; when he died, justice was satisfied for his
conduct in the forbidden fruit incident, and when his posterity dies, justice is
satisfied for them too; but of course justice isn't satisfied for their own
personal acts of disobedience: those are another matter entirely. (ref. posts
No.2 & No.4
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The good news is: Adam's disobedience wasn't a sin unto Hell; it's only a
sin unto death. In other words; when he died, justice was satisfied for his
conduct in the forbidden fruit incident, and when his posterity dies, justice is
satisfied for them too; but of course justice isn't satisfied for their own
personal acts of disobedience: those are another matter entirely. (ref. posts
No.2 & No.4
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First natural parents of us all! Adam and Eve disobeyed God and they died. Dead people cannot give birth to Living children. Therefore all of the offspring of Adam and Eve were dead in the eyes of God. People say that they are alive as they walk around and talk and do things, but to God they are dead. God is not a liar!
First the warning from God:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:16-17
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Gen 3:6
They did eat and as per what God said they were immediately, in His eyes, dead!
But God had plan for these dead people. They were dead but God gave them hope to be accomplished in His Son who was to bring the Life that was lost:
Jesus indeed confirms that He brings Life!
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
And here he speaks of what men must do to receive this unending Life:
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die... " John 11:26
Randy Kluth
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We share the sin nature of our parents, but not the guilt. The Jews say, rightfully, that there is a sin tendency, or an inclination towards sin. We are naturally resistant to obeying God's word, but it is still within our power to obey or not to obey.
Having a sin nature leads us inexorably to sin because it is a constant pressure to resist God's word. We sin even in our childhood. Even the hesitancy to obey God is sin. So we are all guilty of our own sins, although I'm sure God gives us allowance for the duress involved in our inheritance of a sin nature. Still, we need to be cleansed of even our hesitancy to obey.
The pressure to resist God's word opens the door to even more sins that we are all guilty of. If we intentionally sin, and resist God's will, as a decision to live independent of God, then we will have to bear the consequences of that decision. There will be no cleansing for such a sin.
I don't believe they are. It's actually more like the different teachings among faith groups in the church making it so.
But is it God's words?
Eve was the mother of all living. By one man, not Eve, who transgressed and partook of the forbidden fruit first, did sin enter this world.
This, I believe tells us sin already existed elsewhere. When Adam also consumed the fruit Eve offered him, that was when sin entered.
Adam and Eve were then cursed, punished, for their disobedience.
And cast out, departed, from the garden of God.
Now, sin was in the world. Yet, as we are told in that same Old Testament, the sins of the father, which would include first Adam, do not pass unto the sons.
We are all responsible for our own sins. Ezekiel 18.
Don't fear being labeled heretic, heresy. After the Protestant Reformation all Protestants are that. And to Protestants all Catholics are.
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