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I cannot agree that the parable that speaks of the wine skins means what you say it does. There is nothing that suggests this 'refurbishment' that you keep focusing on. It is generally acknowledged that Parables have only a central, decisive point. Those who try and find meaning in every little...

No...no you didn't pull any punches! And so I, also, will be straight with you. I can see absolutely no evidence for this 'third' category, within scripture. There are the Jews and there are the Gentiles, and the wall in between them has been broken down by Christ, in whom we are all one...

I'm sorry, but I can't see where you're getting any of this from. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to...

Hi Davy. I'm a little confused here, sorry...or perhaps you are? I was saying that the people who may be deceived are those who think the Antichrist won't be revealed until they're gone. I actually agree with you, in that I read 2 Thess as saying that "that day" won't come unless the Antichrist...

Well...I both agree and disagree...which could be a tad frustrating...sorry! But, it does break down to those we are speaking about. I think there are those who are so hyper focused on Dispensationalism and End times in itself, that the very notion that they might be wrong in their...

Yes, this is, I believe, how the Amillennial view sees Revelations. And to be honest, that reading of Revelations makes the most sense to me, for many reasons. But I think legitimate questions still arise about signs in the very last days. In Luke 21:28 Jesus tells us that when we see certain...

Hi Davy. While I'm not sure I buy the "Imminency" doctrine myself, I'm also not sure that people who do are therefore not watching leading up to his return. In contrast, it seems to me that the people who do hold this doctrine are by far those most intent on looking for their Saviors return. Of...

Here's a question....the doctrine of "imminency" is fairly important to the Pre-trib Rapture argument, I believe, which states that nothing must happen before the Rapture...it's next on the timeline. But...it seems to me that all the years that the Nation of Israel had not 'reformed', then that...

What is your problem with me? I'm quite sick of your attitude. I spent a good six posts just trying to prove to you I wasn't a troll, though goodness knows why the onus was on me. Then I thought we had some good conversation, but now I'm getting this sort of thing...how "lucky" I am that you're...

Thanks for this. It was pretty heavy wading (not helped by my family interrupting me every other sentence!!) Some of it I expect went over me, but it did sort of confirm what I already suspected in one regard: the "new perspective" comes dangerously close to condoning a works based salvation...

Hi ByGrace. Yes, I do believe it is realitively new. I can't remember some of the big names that really pushed it off, but know that N.T. Wright is a big proponent of it. From what little I've managed to dredge up (facts are woefully thin on the ground, hence this thread!) it makes me itch a...

Well, it's not just that I may or may not have been following your previous conversation...but whatever. Yes, it's clear that Paul is addressing Christ in Gal 3. But does that change how we view the Abrahamic passages? Do we take it through the lens that Paul puts in place for us, or do we...

I'm probably more "pre-trib" than 'Amil" when it comes to God's future plans for Israel, I've come to realise, so agree pretty much with you here. But I would ask one question that keeps bugging me and I've never heard a Dispensationalist address, if you don't mind. All the talk of the Abrahamic...

Hi, I was wondering if anyone actually understood what this "new perspective" is, and if they could break it down for me. I've heard of it, and tried to do some research on it, but all I've managed to find are either to vague to help me get a handle on it, or so long-winded high theology...

Are you aware of how little actual sense you make? You may have a point, but I can never figure out what you're actually saying.

Absolutely. But...I think this is where that interpretation comes into it again. As I have always understood it: Yes God punishes Israel for her unbelief but then brings her back to his mercy and grace...over and over in the OT! It shows us several things. His long-suffering patience and grace...

Lol! :) Every time I think I'm on track with understanding where we are conversation wise...apparently I'm not! I think you and I must think on different wave lengths...or just talk so differently that it makes no difference! I want to continue this conversation, but I'm afraid frustration will...

Well, interpretation could still matter. If looking at these passages from an Amil perspective, one could say that they had seen probable fulfilment in 70AD...or even several times before then...but we'll say 70AD, since the NT times are considered by most to be the beginning of the "end times"...

So...let me see if I understand you correctly here (sorry if I'm being a little slow!). You're saying that before we can determine if God is pouring out his wrath in the Tribulation, we first need to establish if there will be a Tribulation period at the end. And if there is, then that period of...

Well...two reasons, I suppose...one of which I've already given you. If it's in the bible at all, then I must assume God wants us to study it, as he wants us to study all of his word. Sure, it might be a periphery doctrine (not essential to salvation...or even to every day life), but he clearly...