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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Not sure who you're talking about here, but give us a quote where someone says they are offended by God's word. So Christian of you to lie about someone supposedly being offended by God's word.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why do you lie? Several of us have refuted your false beliefs with scripture from the Bible. It's so ironic that you talk about others being dishonest when you are the most dishonest person on this entire forum.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Exactly. Everything he says about others applies to himself moreso than anyone else. He has no self awareness.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You mean after you attacked him personally by falsely accusing him of not being willing to look at certain verses, which is a lie. We all look at all of the relevant verses, but we don't all interpret them the same. I can't even recall how many passages I exegeted in responses to your posts in...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Let's assume that when Jesus talked about one being taken and one left that the ones taken refer to those who will be taken up to meet Christ in the air when He comes from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17). What does Jesus say happens to those who are left? Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why are you taking "the new man" description literally, as if that label has anything to do with anything physical? It doesn't. The new man is simply another way of referring to the church. We are the new man. We're one body. We're the temple of God. We're the body of Christ. And, yes, we are...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You act as if faith automatically results from hearing the gospel. Have you never looked at Romans 10:17 in context? To see the context you need to read all of the surrounding verses. Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I didn't cut if off because it doesn't agree with what I said. The very next verse confirms what I said. Hold on here. You are accusing me of ignoring what it says in verse 13, but you seem to be ignoring what it says in verse 12. Do you not think that someone becomes a child of God immediately...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But, I've explained it to you many times. How could you forget? I accept your apology, but please try to read what people say to you more carefully so that you don't forget what people actually believe. As I've told you many times, yes. Yes, but it's not as clear in Matthew 24 as it is in this...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Nope. Unique in that everyone received the same spiritual gift of speaking in tongues at that time. Obviously, not everyone receives the gift of speaking in tongues every time they receive the Holy Spirit, but that's how it was that day in order to make it clear to everyone that things had...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Wrong. It started and ended in 70 AD as I've said MANY times. Hello? Do you not have any reading comprehension skills at all? It seems not. Yes, seeing that verse as referring to 2,000 years of great tribulation is 100% malarkey. I agree. I don't. You are laughing at your strawman because of...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I disagree with that, also. Matthew 24:21 is referring to God's wrath, as the parallel passage of Luke 21:20-24 indicates. Matthew 24:15-21 has nothing to do with the preaching of the gospel and persecution of believers over the past 2,000 years. The passage does not have a global scope as Jesus...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    If you want to disagree with him, that's fine. But, why do you lie? Nowhere did he say that "the dead do not rise first". Absolutely nowhere. So, why are you lying about what he believes? Paul is quite clear in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 that the dead in Christ are resurrected first and then they...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So, you are a preterist then because Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies about His first coming. We're all preterists by that definition. That is not what I believe. God's wrath is described there, not persecution, as the parallel passage of Luke 21:20-24 makes more clear by referring...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Includes, involves, however you want to say it. Goodness. I'm just saying those things all happen at the same time (receiving the Spirit, baptism of the Spirit, regeneration of the Spirit). Wrong. In John 1:12, it says that after accepting/receiving Christ, someone then becomes a child of God...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Turn your sarcasm meter on. I wasn't being serious. Good grief. I thought that would be obvious, but I guess I forgot who I was talking to there for a minute. Say what now? I see that you have not improved on making yourself clear. Oh, good! That would be nice. Let's see.... Oops. So much for...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I have never taken it seriously for even a second. Jesus clearly did not come in any way, shape or form and the elect were not gathered by the angels in any way, shape or form in 70 AD.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You believe that the prophecies regarding the first coming of Jesus were interpreted in the past and that is 100% preterist. So, we're all preterists according to the way you define preterism, which is not the way anyone else defines preterism.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You are not very bright. That's as nice as I can say it. I can tell you something 1,000 times and you still don't get it. You even posted a graphic in response to me once showing what preterists believe and none of it said anything about them believing that the great tribulation began in the 1st...