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No, those who are honest with scripture argue both. You don't have to be a preterist to interpret Matthew 24:15-21 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24) as being God's wrath against the Jews in 70 AD. In Revelation 2:22, would you not call "great tribulation", that Jesus said would come against...

It refers to those who are like Jezebel who was practicing sexual immorality and eating food sacrificed to idols and influencing others to do the same. In that verse, "great tribulation" refers to God's wrath that comes against those who refuse to repent. Yet, you try to say that God's wrath...

So, I'll have to assume that you have me on your ignore list because I showed you a clear example in scripture where God's wrath is referred to as "great tribulation". But, here you are still denying that God's wrath can be described as "great tribulation" Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless I have a...

God's wrath can be described as great tribulation just as it is in Revelation 2:22... Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things...

Yes. This is why he is not someone who can be taken seriously. Anyone who believes such extreme nonsense as that is not someone who has any credibility.

You referenced Zechariah 13:8 in a futurist sense. What is your understanding of the verse immediately preceding that one? Zechariah 13:7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, Against the Man who is My Companion,” Says the Lord of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd, And the sheep will be scattered...

Yes. He also doesn't believe in spirit beings called angels. He believes that references to angels in scripture are references to human messengers. He believes that Satan refers to the fallen spirit of man or mankind. We've debated him about that at length. WPM even created a thread about it...

He is not a preterist. Preterists don't claim that the great tribulation has been taking place for the past 2,000 years as he is claiming. They claim that it took place in 70 AD and it was just before Jesus came and the elect were gathered. Unlike preterists, he believes that Matthew 24:30 is...

Not gathering from earth? Think again. Mark 13:27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Despite Jesus explicitly saying so, you think it's "plain crazy" for someone to believe that. I...

Yes, it's nice to agree on something for once, which is obviously rare for us. I'd say John 5:22 is quite explicit in what it indicates, so it amazes me that anyone would disagree that all judgment is done by Jesus. The verse very explicitly says that the Father judges no one and has committed...

Are we reading the same text? This is what I'm reading... Matthew 24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will...

You have been clear in how you interpret John 6, 8 and 10, but I believe you interpret those in a way that contradicts many other scriptures. Let's take a closer look at what Jesus was saying in John 10:26. I'll include some surrounding verses for context. John 10:22 Now it was the Feast of...

Yes, that is shocking. You normally change your mind every time I present an airtight argument to you, but not this time. Somehow. I would agree with that, but that does not mean the baptism of the Holy Spirit was something different then than it is still today. There is no basis for coming to...

How many times do we have to post this...maybe you need it in a larger font to see it? Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken...

I'm not saying it's necessarily the main point of comparison, but it's a point of comparison. He did not specifically point out that the flood killed everyone outside of the ark for nothing. But, you think He did. That's part of His point, yes. Maybe even the main point. But, not His only...

Nowhere. So, why are people trying to relate 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 to peace in the Middle East? There's no basis for that. How do you interpret the passage? If you read all of 1 Thessalonians 5, you should see that the context of the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people in spiritual...

Stop falsely accusing people. That is evil. No one here would ever call Jesus a liar. What you need to do is define the "trib" part of "pretrib" so that people can know what you're talking about. You define the "trib" as God's wrath because you compare it to the flood of Noah's day, which...

You can't back up this false claim, so why make it? Do you think that the entire book of Revelation has only literal text?

What about them? They show that only believers are part of the bride of Christ. The New Testament shows that Gentile believers are made one with Jewish believers and are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Jewish believers, so all of God's promises to Israel apply only to believers, whether...