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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Jesus had said this to the apostles before His ascension: Acts 1:5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” The apostles already believed in Christ at this point, yet they were not yet baptized with the Holy Spirit yet. So...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why did you stop at verse 16 in Revelation 14? Revelation 14:14-20 describes the same event as described in passages like Matthew 24:29-39, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:4 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. With the event being the second coming of Christ. All of those passages talk about believers being...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    Where does Paul indicate in 1 Thessalonians 5 that the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people saying there is peace and safety in the Middle East?
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    He said "My elect" in relation to Jesus. The text says "His elect". Either way it refers to Jesus's elect being gathered. And Mark 13:27 makes it clear that they are gathered from both heaven and earth. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Did you notice that he referred to Judea in one of his posts as being spiritual Judea? But, nowhere in scripture is there any reference to a spiritual or heavenly Judea like there is to a heavenly Jerusalem. So, he has to resort to making things up that aren't taught in scripture in order to...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    They address what will happen at the coming of the Son of Man, none of which happened in 70 AD. There was no judgment of all people in 70 AD, the destruction that occurred was not unexpected to everyone before it actually happened in 70 AD, there was no sense in which everyone was either taken...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The confusion, in relation to who are taken and who are left, comes from the fact that two different Greek words are used and translated as "taken" in that passage. The Greek word used to describe those taken away by the flood is different than the Greek word used to describe the one taken in...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But, it's a parable. Jesus is not intending to say that exactly half of all people will be taken and exactly half will be left when Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. That's silly. He is simply illustrating two different fates with all people experiencing either one or the other. One for those...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    It's a waste of time to debate who is taken and who is left. What we know is that one is saved and one is unsaved and we agree with pretribs that one being taken and one being left occurs when the rapture occurs. So, the discussion should be about what happens to those who are saved and what...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Here is how to properly understand who is taken and who is left and what happens to those who are taken and those who are left when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Revelation 2:18 refers specifically to people who were part of the first century church in Thyatira. There are some things within Revelation 2 and 3 that referred specifically to things that were happening in those churches and some things written to the church in general. In Revelation 2:18-23...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Many Christians who disagree with your particular false brand of end times doctrine understand these things, including the person you're talking to and most of the rest of the people who have been posting in this thread. So, you're preaching to the choir here about those things. But, one thing...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why are you such a liar? I use scripture to back up my views all the time. Do you think blatantly lying about post-tribs does anything but reveal what a liar you are? Is that your goal? To announce to everyone that you think it's okay to lie about people?
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    That is a lie to say we are "in no way honest". So, that was a very ironic thing for you to say. Dave and I use scripture to back up our beliefs. I use scripture EXTENSIVELY to back up my beliefs. Meanwhile, you are ALL TALK. The next coherent argument you make using scripture will be the first...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Mark 13:27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Do you think the Bible does not prophesy about that anywhere?
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Making false accusations towards someone does not help your case. Seeing one passage of the Olivet Discourse as relating to 70 AD does not make someone a partial preterist. Partial preterists believe that all, or most, of the Olivet Discourse is about what happened in 70 AD. Amills like WPM...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    He doesn't have to be a partial preterist to recognize that Jesus talked about both a local event that would occur in Judea and Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD, as well as the global event of His future second coming in the Olivet Discourse. It's a mistake for anyone to think that the Olivet...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Right. It's just silly for anyone to think that any reference to "great tribulation" has to be referring to the same thing. Look at this... Revelation 2:18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, I disagree. We will meet Him "in the air", not on the earth. He is not going to come from heaven in the future more than once. Do you see that described in the Acts 1:9-11 passage? No. He will come again from heaven ONCE in the future and it will be in like manner as He ascended to heaven...