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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Nope Satan is bound during the mil.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Well they have a covenant. What he is omitting is that they come back to God through Jesus. He is making it sound like Jesus is not a component in their grafting back in. Iow...the 144k follow Jesus. That is written. It is a fact they are ethnic Jews but messianic.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Ok this in itself is error due to what we have in the word. Plus you misframe what you think the other side believes. It is not what you are saying. okay I hope you're not misunderstanding that there are in fact two Covenants. there is an old Covenant and there is a new covenant . now the old...
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    I agree that the ones claiming they alone are hearing God due to their awesome spiritual supremacy are usually the ones that butt their heads against the bible. All cult leaders claim that same spiritual supremacy
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Pot <> kettle big time. I prefer concept vs concept without the juvenile insults. Also tells me your position is weak since you go " low level" in the debate
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    no It is lime saying the GT is Jacobs trouble and they are gathered as Jews in rev 14. Solid bible fact
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yep You reframed it. JESUS placed his COMING as "before the flood" He even DESCRIBED the setting. But that i am sure you will continue to reframe as it destroys all but pretrib setting. I love how Gods word has that awesome harmony. Every pretrib rapture verse has normal life in its setting.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    actually the framing of the Jew in Gods purposes, is based on covenant. They are in fact Gods covenant people and that is why he is not done with them as a people. They come back to him through Jesus and are gathered as a remnant. 144k being first fruits. The GT is God turning his attention to...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Every rapture verse is life as normal setting But beyond that Jesus used pretrib WORDING with noah. Jesus placed the noah example as "before the flood" You have been shown that. And yet you change it into "after the flood" How ridiculous to base your entire doctrine on the verse "after the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Last trumpet os sounded every year at the feast of trumpets. That is the problem with postrib doctrine. Every cliche' it uses is thought to be pivotal.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    to not understand all that is to miss ENTIRELY the purpose of the GT.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Rom 11 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of...
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Don't blame your modification of Rom 11 and the book of rev on the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is NOT BEHIND your blatant restructuring of the bible. 144k Are, for a fact , Jews 144k are first fruits..a simple fact. Your misplacement of verses is not in any way "spiritually discerned" That is...
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    like i said, rom 11 destroys your theory. The bible does that regularly. That is why you skipped rom 11 in your response to my expose of your error. You skipped tge verses that expose your error. SMH Why don't the replacement doctrine people quote rom 11? Both Romans AND REVELATION designate...
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Looks like you have quite an investment in making all that up. Nope. It says they are FIRSTFRUIT JEWS. A SMALL NUMBER OF A MAIN HARVEST OF JEWS. Re read it like it is. No need to make it into what you did.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Rapture is from earth The gathering of the bride... mat 25. It is to heaven and is framed BY JESUS pretrib. Prohesied BY JESUS at the last supper. The Jews gathered about mid trib and DO NOT precede the dead in Christ raised and raptured pretrib. You have to undo Gods word to bring in another...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    No rapture of the church postrib. That would place the dead in Christ raised after the jewish gathering mid trib in rev 14
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Here is a bonus for no extra charge; In fact, the first miracle of Jesus is the vivid illustration of the Jewish gathering after the gentile church; Wedding Jewish 6 earthen vessels Wine produced supernaturally OUTSIDE FERMENTATION. Then the pivot point; "....you saved the best for last" Last...
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Yep The Jew is the "wife gone awhoring" The gentile church is the bride. Rom 11 can not be changed Nor the 144k The Jews grafted back in.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    the bible explains how The Jews come in last after the gentiles. And that re-grafting is through Jesus. Truly impossible to miss.