10 Questions about Eternal Security
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So... my loved ones don't have to even get born again to be saved???
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Reckon Jesus didn't know what He was talkin bout?
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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Webers_Home
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Taking this into a wider family circle: every Hebrew represents Abraham's
paternal posterity, yet I think we can be reasonably certain that not every
Hebrew makes it to safety when they pass away and cross over to the next
life.
A case in point is the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Abraham addressed him as
"son" and directed his attention to Moses and the Prophets; which I doubt he
would've done had the man been a Gentile.
Another case in point is Lot's married daughters. They stayed behind in
Sodom with their husbands after Lot urged them to leave. Consequently,
they were incinerated.
Out ahead at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15,
numbers of us are going to have to watch as some of our posterity stand
before the one seated on the throne and be sentenced to the lake of fire.
I've no doubt they will be shrieking, screaming, and bellowing like wounded
dogs in white-knuckle panic as powerful celestial beings drag them off to be
terminated by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle
of molten iron.
Were it not for God wiping away all tears afterwards, and eradicating sorrow,
that would be a very unpleasant scene to have burned into our memories
throughout eternity.
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Taking this into a wider family circle: every Hebrew represents Abraham's
paternal posterity, yet I think we can be reasonably certain that not every
Hebrew makes it to safety when they pass away and cross over to the next
life.
A case in point is the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Abraham addressed him as
"son" and directed his attention to Moses and the Prophets; which I doubt he
would've done had the man been a Gentile.
Another case in point is Lot's married daughters. They stayed behind in
Sodom with their husbands after Lot urged them to leave. Consequently,
they were incinerated.
Out ahead at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15,
numbers of us are going to have to watch as some of our posterity stand
before the one seated on the throne and be sentenced to the lake of fire.
I've no doubt they will be shrieking, screaming, and bellowing like wounded
dogs in white-knuckle panic as powerful celestial beings drag them off to be
terminated by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle
of molten iron.
Were it not for God wiping away all tears afterwards, and eradicating sorrow,
that would be a very unpleasant scene to have burned into our memories
throughout eternity.
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CadyandZoe
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Violate is such a negative word. What if he could change it, transform it, heal it?
Eternally Grateful
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I did quote scripture
and it said the word was given to him ANd HIS FAMILY and THEY ALL BELIEVED and they ALL even Got baptized.
Eternally Grateful
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He will spend thats persons waking days to try to change it. That is how he draws people to himself.
yet they still must repent and believe. He will not do it for them
CadyandZoe
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@Eternally Grateful quoted the scriptures and yet you don't believe?
When Paul was in jail, the jailer asked him how he could be saved. Paul explained to him the way to salvation and also how his entire household could be saved. Later, Luke recorded the events of Paul's visit to the jailer's house, where the jailer provided food to Paul and Silas and the entire household of the jailer was baptized.
According to this passage, the concept of representative salvation is not supported. This means that one person cannot make a confession of belief, receive baptism, and commit their life to following Jesus Christ in order to save their entire family as a representative. Rather, each member of the family must make a personal decision to believe and be baptized, just as they all did.
CadyandZoe
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No, he won't do it for them. But we are dancing around the question of why? Why do some believe while others do not?
Now, we know that those with a hardened heart will not believe. But don't we also know that God can soften a heart? And what does the Bible teach about the significance of a softened heart?
Only God can draw us to Jesus, he even drew me to repentance and Godly sorrow....he even brought me to believe in Jesus.....he didn’t believe for me, I did that , and YES we must repent and believe in Jesus, before any birth can take place.
A Born Again is under the New Covenant.....not the Old Covenant.
We have been Born of God.
Not by HUMANS WILL......by the will of GOD......
The Living spiritual birth....can only come from God.....
Amen.....only God could have softened my heart....for him to birth me in the Holy Spirit......very long story, God drawing me to Jesus.....
My belief....he draws us to Jesus...through our suffering on this earth as a non believer....even as a non believer, I was always looking at myself inwardly.....trying to figure everything out.....God saw that....had mercy on me and gave me the precious spiritual rebirth...
Suffering teaches us so much.....Praise God for it.
Eternally Grateful
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Hard Heart is actually one of those terms I wish they would have interpreted differently.
The word hard in Hebrew means to be strong, to strengthen, to be firm.
God told Isaiah to go tell the people. That seeing they may not see and hearing they may not hear. This is how a person hardens Istrengthens) their heart.
I like to use the example of a person who is rebellious, so he argues that 2 + 2 = 5 and not 4. The more the person rebels. The more he actually believes 2 + 2 = 5. And eventually if he will be so hard, he will never believe 2+ 2 = 4 no matter how much proof is given, this persons heart has been hardened to truth
As for a softened heart. I believe it would be a weakened heart. God does this by Showing our true self. How bankrupt we are. How rebellious we are. How loving he is.. if he can weaken our hearts of flesh. He can bring us to this knowledge of truth, and we can repent and be saved
The truth comes to all people. Our reaction is to harden our heart to truth, or our hearts will weaken because of the truth.
CadyandZoe
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Isn't it under both covenants? Just asking since Jesus reminded Nicodemus that he should have known about it from the scriptures.
