So you should go back and correct this statement: "Calvinists were born saved and everybody else born damned."
1599 Geneva Bible!!!
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CoreIssue
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Gods best gifts are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, one would think that they would suffice, and through them even a man who has never read a bible or gone to church can be saved and know God, God has no limits.....
KJ for no particular reason might have a look, just better to stick with one less confusion that way, but than if
Joh_6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
we wouldnt need them
CoreIssue
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Every use BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages. ? All the translations are there.
I use Logos 8 with many bibles. But I use the Geneva Bible Notes as my first commentary choice with any translation.
EVER NOTICE how "MEN" love "LABELS"?
They love to EMBLAZON LABELS on THEMSELVES...
They love to EMBLAZON LABELS on
OTHERS...
Its quite a fascination really... For if one intently observes, they should find a MISH-MASH of mans utter nonsense.
The "LABELS"....well, well, well....WHO Believes EVERY SINGLE THING the "so called LABEL" is supposed to REPRESENT? LOL, many DO NOT....and so BRANCH OFF, and SPLINTER the LABEL into MORE LABELS.
Secondary LABELS, sort of "connected" to the Original Label, but not really, because they are only a FRACTION, of what the original LABEL represents. Lol
Politics, Races, Religion, Regions, etc. ..... LOL....SO FRACTURED...branched off...kind of, sort of, leaning left, leaning right, moderate, wavering daily like the wind blowing one way and then another,
Protestant...but not THAT kind...
THIS KIND, but not THAT KIND...
Catholic...but not ROMAN Catholic...
Jew...believer in God, In Gods word, but, not that Jesus IS Gods Word...
Jew...believer in God, In Gods Word, IS Jesus...but no Christian LABEL!
Islamists...believer in A god...the Same Jewish God?...Well, seems it depends on what one SAYS in Pubilc, on what is taught in Private, and what their own Fractions individually believes.
Jews "Worship" the Creator of Mankind, beginning with Adam, Worldwide known as the "God" of the Jews.
Islamists "Worship" the Creator of Mankind, beginning with Adam....and Worldwide some Islamists Fractions are known to want to Destroy ALL Jews.
WORSHIP and CREAtOR key words....NOT the Label God of the Jews, OF ISRAEL, OF Abraham...............OF ISAAC.
Another Fracture...Between Isaac's offspring and Ismahael's offspring.
Jesus' Doctrine IS Simple without man-made LABELS...but rather HIS one all encompassing Label...."Converted".
Believe in thee God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Believe in Jesus whom God sent...
That Jesus IS the Word of God in the Flesh, thee Christ Messiah and Power of God...
Believe and Call on His Name in TRUE Belief in your heart...and He SHALL instantly Transend the Natural and Spiritually Convert a man Spiritually Once and Forever, Prepared according to Gods Pleasure for such man to Forever Be with Him.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
They love to EMBLAZON LABELS on THEMSELVES...
They love to EMBLAZON LABELS on
OTHERS...
Its quite a fascination really... For if one intently observes, they should find a MISH-MASH of mans utter nonsense.
The "LABELS"....well, well, well....WHO Believes EVERY SINGLE THING the "so called LABEL" is supposed to REPRESENT? LOL, many DO NOT....and so BRANCH OFF, and SPLINTER the LABEL into MORE LABELS.
Secondary LABELS, sort of "connected" to the Original Label, but not really, because they are only a FRACTION, of what the original LABEL represents. Lol
Politics, Races, Religion, Regions, etc. ..... LOL....SO FRACTURED...branched off...kind of, sort of, leaning left, leaning right, moderate, wavering daily like the wind blowing one way and then another,
Protestant...but not THAT kind...
THIS KIND, but not THAT KIND...
Catholic...but not ROMAN Catholic...
Jew...believer in God, In Gods word, but, not that Jesus IS Gods Word...
Jew...believer in God, In Gods Word, IS Jesus...but no Christian LABEL!
Islamists...believer in A god...the Same Jewish God?...Well, seems it depends on what one SAYS in Pubilc, on what is taught in Private, and what their own Fractions individually believes.
Jews "Worship" the Creator of Mankind, beginning with Adam, Worldwide known as the "God" of the Jews.
Islamists "Worship" the Creator of Mankind, beginning with Adam....and Worldwide some Islamists Fractions are known to want to Destroy ALL Jews.
WORSHIP and CREAtOR key words....NOT the Label God of the Jews, OF ISRAEL, OF Abraham...............OF ISAAC.
Another Fracture...Between Isaac's offspring and Ismahael's offspring.
Jesus' Doctrine IS Simple without man-made LABELS...but rather HIS one all encompassing Label...."Converted".
Believe in thee God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Believe in Jesus whom God sent...
That Jesus IS the Word of God in the Flesh, thee Christ Messiah and Power of God...
Believe and Call on His Name in TRUE Belief in your heart...and He SHALL instantly Transend the Natural and Spiritually Convert a man Spiritually Once and Forever, Prepared according to Gods Pleasure for such man to Forever Be with Him.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
I've been there but I rather have a hard copy of the bible while I study. Guess I'm old school.
CoreIssue
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CoreIssue
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A question out of curiosity, nothing more.
Why would you want the Geneva Bible? Is archaic so you not going to understand what it says easily if at all.
It contains the books of the Apocrypha, which are not biblical.
Just a personal curiosity.
Some of the Geneva notes are very interesting and even helpful.
Yes! It was those notes that James-I wanted to be sure were never again seen in England. (They stripped him of the religious power he claimed...… the supposed "Divine Right of Kings.")
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Yet is was the Puritans who insisted on a new English translation, even though they were aware of the Geneva Bible. And the King James Bible's marginal notes are strictly concerning Bible references.
...for the very Historical truth is, that upon the importunate petitions of the Puritans, at his Majesty's coming to this Crown, the Conference at Hampton Court having been appointed for hearing their complaints: when by force of reason they were put from all other grounds, they had recourse at the last, to this shift, that they could not with good conscience subscribe to the Communion book, since it maintained the Bible as it was there translated, which was as they said, a most corrupted translation. And although this was judged to be but a very poor and empty shift; yet even hereupon did his Majesty begin to bethink himself of the good that might ensue by a new translation, and presently after gave order for this Translation which is now presented unto thee. Thus much to satisfy our scrupulous Brethren...
From The Translators to the Reader (Preface to the Authorized Version)
Yes, this is true. Seems like the Puritan party wanted more influence within the Anglican system. While James 1 wanted a new version to neuter the Puritans. They then "agreed"...
CoreIssue
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Don't forget the Puritans were barred from a lot of the early work on the KJV because they wanted to take all of the Catholic influence out, which neither the king or the pro-Catholic elements wanted.
In fact, they wanted to ditch the Church of England and go back under the Pope.
In the end we must all agree that God's good hand was in this entire venture, and those who were selected to do the work of translation were outstanding scholars, and also outstanding Christians in their reverence and piety. The work was done with extreme diligence and care.
"But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of Dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk) but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark. To that purpose there were many chosen, that were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and that sought the truth rather than their own praise."
Oh indeed; and it's a version I use and encourage others to use. (Interestingly, the really thoroughgoing Puritans - more or less the antecedents of today's independent evangelicals or even Fundamentalists - wouldn't use the KJV until decades after 1611, when the Geneva Bible was less and less in circulation...)
The translation committee had many Puritans working on the KJV. Approximately 25% of the translators were Puritans, including John Reynolds (Rainolds) who actually initiated the movement to have a new translation under James I.
"The chief events of his subsequent career were his share in the Hampton Court Conference, where he was the most prominent representative of the Puritan party and received a good deal of favour from the King.
During the Conference, the Puritans, led by Rainolds as spokesperson, directly questioned James about their grievances. However, almost every request brought forward by Rainolds was immediately denied or disputed by James. [6] At some point during the course of Rainolds’ pleading before the king, Rainolds made a request that “one only translation of the Bible . . . [be] declared authentical, and read in the church.” [7] Whether Rainolds was asking for a new translation or simply for a direction to authorize only one of the existing English translations, most took Rainolds’ words as a request for the former.[8] James readily agreed to a new translation."
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