21st Century Christianity - A brief manifesto for our age.

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On another forum, I lamented that Christianity was being left behind, and as it is currently consituted, stood to collapse into irrelevance and obscurity, with none but a few dinosaur conservatives left muttering to each other in corners about how evil the world is. So, I proclaimed, the 21st century religion needs a 21st century approach. I was duly asked, what would a 21st century Christianity look like?

Here is my answer:

One change I would like to see is the realisation by the church authorities that the laity, at least in the developed world, are no longer the ignorant peasants and serfs the religion was (wrongly) enlisted to control in the dark and middle ages. A recognition, maybe, that we are endowed with intellects, discriminatory powers and critical faculties because God intends for us to use them, even (perhaps especially) on scripture.

It might help if those same authorities also realised that all the various Christian schisms, denominations, sects and cults are counter-productive to spreading the Gospel in it's purest form, and sought to compromise on their doctrine and dogma with a view to burying their differences for good. How can we pretend to know truth if we cannot even agree among ourselves what it is?

Another is the necessary social progress to put women on an equal footing with men, and see them better represented in leadership roles throughout the church. An end to the institutional discrimination against homosexuals would also be good. The religion should be leading this progressive movement, not being reluctantly dragged, kicking and screaming all the way, by secular society, into the modern age.

I would like to see the religion more active around what seem to me to be the two major global issues facing humanity in our time: how to eradicate absolute poverty while still remaining comfortably within the Earth's ecological carrying capacity.

I would like to see a more inclusive religion, that encompasses the whole of humanity within it's remit, even those of other faiths and none. I would like to see it end it's insistence, for example, that one has to be a Christian to receive heavenly reward. I really think we have to decide whether we mean 'the family of man' to be a real objective to strive for, or just a trite, complacent, inaccurate description of an exclusive club of people 'who think like me'. In other words, we have to decide whether we think God, as Jesus did, to be the loving Father of all mankind, or just Christians, the born again, the elect, or some other sub group of the faith.

Finally, I would like to see the development and promotion of a philosopically rigorous, (but upgradeable in the light of new facts and discoveries and developments), world view, rather than the hotchpotch mélange of obsolete ideas and ideologies we are currently presented with.

Doubtless you can think of other improvements the religion could make. You are welcome to suggest them.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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* Prepare yourself for the beating that you’re about to receive *

From my daily Bible reading a couple of days ago -

“And the guards, with drawn weapons, lined up from the southern to the northern limit of the enclosure, surrounding the altar and the temple on the king’s behalf. Then Jehoiada brought out the king’s son and put the crown and the testimony upon him. They proclaimed him king and anointed him, clapping their hands and shouting, ‘Long live the king!’

When Athaliah heard the noise made by the people, she came before them in the house of the LORD. When she saw the king standing by the column, as was his custom, and the captains and trumpeters near the king, and all the people of the land rejoicing and blowing trumpets, Athaliah tore her garments and cried out, ‘Treason, treason!’ Then Jehoiada the priest instructed the captains in command of the force, ‘Escort her with a guard detail. If anyone follows her, let him die by the sword.’ For the priest had said, ‘She must not die in the house of the LORD.’ So they seized her, and when she reached the Horse Gate of the king’s house, she was put to death.”

(2 Kings 11:11-16, NABRE)
 

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For starters, reformers live a hard-knock life.

Apart from the very rich and powerful, who are somewhat insulated from the realities faced by the rest of us, I think we all do. It's one the reasons we get out of bed in the morning, to make the world a better, fairer, happier, healthier place, for us, our children, and theirs. Problem is, we aren't making a very good job of that at present, what with poisoning the ecosphere for profit, and largely ignoring the plight of the poor.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 

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I would like to see a more inclusive religion, .


First of all, Man makes "religion" , while God created CHRISTianity.
= They are not related at all.

2nd, The Cross of Christ is offered to everyone who will believe....so, it's a universal offer, world wide, border to border and around the world.... but, not everyone will come and receive God's free gift of Salvation.
 

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2nd, The Cross of Christ is offered to everyone who will believe....so, it's a universal offer, world wide, border to border and around the world.... but, not everyone will come and receive God's free gift of Salvation.

How do you know who gets saved? Are you God? Have you ever been a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, or a Hindu? If not, how would you know if and how they might come to the Father? Are you dead yet, and have you found Heaven to be solely populated by Christians? One thing we can be quite sure of; it is a lot easier for some to become Christians than others, and (in my happy experience) most people, of most faiths, most of the time, are reasonably decent folks, and just don't deserve to be punished (or even just denied heaven, which amounts to the same thing) because they were born, say, into a Muslim family in a Muslim nation. Or into a Chinese family in China, where the powers that be persecute all religions and demand total loyalty to the State. Even a cursory glance at a demographic map, showing population and religion, should provide evidence of just how unjust the system proposed by conventional Christianity and it's various instantiations actually is. But God, it insists, is just.

Well, God may well be, and I believe that. But in this respect, conventional Christianity most certainly isn't.

Moreover, it's not even a free gift, this salvation, though it is disengenuously presented as such by conventional Christianity. It's a coercive bargain. Believe in Jesus as Messiah, get heaven. Disbelieve, get Hell. The truth is, we can only believe what we think to be true, and as things stand, Christianity has to buck it's ideas up, because the status quo just won't do.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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How do you know who gets saved? Are you God? Have you ever been a Jew,

You should try to pay attention.

check out where i live... for an update..

Also, your comment has nothing to do with what i posted.
Nothing.
Can you at least try to stop on topic, or is this just not possible for you, 2ndratemind?

Now, having said that, i can answer your question, sure.

Q.) Who gets saved?

A.) All who come to the Cross believing in Jesus by Faith, as God will always accept faith, and only faith is "counted as righteousness", so that by this, the believer is "justified by Faith".
 

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First of all, Man makes "religion" , while God created CHRISTianity.
= They are not related at all.

Oh, here we go with the prejudice. Satan must be laughing. My religion is God created. All the others are flawed human attempts at best, and the road to Hell at worst.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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Oh, here we go with the prejudice. Satan must be laughing..

He's laughing at you., as he understands that The Cross of Christ is all that God offers this fallen world as His Salvation.

John 14:6

2ndratemind....YOU dont understand this at all, and that makes "Satan Laugh"...
 
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So, were you a Jew? And do you think God punishes Jews just for being Jews?

Best wishes, 2RM

I dont think its possible to stop being a Jew...if you're a Jew.
So, your question...>""were you a Jew", is not a very accurate question.
You mean, does a Jew who believes in Yeshua, become a Messianic Jew?
A.) Yes.

And does God deal with Jews differently?
Well, look in the OT.......do you see any other that is known as God's Chosen people?
Do you find God giving the land of Israel, and surrounding, to anyone else,?
Jesus was a Jew, and all the apostles were Jewish.
So, the OT, is "God dealing with the Jew".
This was continued by Jesus the JEW who came to the "house of Israel". (Hebrews/Jews).
And.....Following Jesus's departure from this earth He created, Paul was called by Jesus to be the "apostle to the gentiles'... in "the time of the Gentiles".
This means that until the Great Trib starts, (proving the time of the gentiles is over)... God is dealing with the Gentiles specifically, but will again return to dealing the Jew, once the Rapture takes place and the 144,000 preaching JEWS begin to preach= once the Great Trib starts.
 

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Well, look in the OT.......do you see any other that is known as God's Chosen people?

Well given that the Jews thought they were God's chosen people, and they wrote the OT, it's pretty inevitable that that rather quaint notion should find it's way into their books about God, wouldn't you say?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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You're welcome..
There is one Way to Heaven, - = through the Cross of Christ. John 14:6

That is the topic we are discussing, to be sure. You think it is. I think, even if it is, we cannot know that. And I have provided sufficient reasoning to explain why it might not be the case.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 

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Well given that the Jews thought they were God's chosen people,

Its not an opinion of the Jew, that they are God's chosen.
its a fact of Holy Scripture, that prove they are His chosen.

And now, the Gentiles who are born again, are become the family of God.. as "Spiritual Jews".
 

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And I have provided sufficient reasoning to explain why it might not be the case.

Best wishes, 2RM.

You have no verses, no bible, no scriptures, to prove anything, fella.
You are 100% led by your God, who is your opinion. = As i told you last time you were ranting in the dark, on this forum.
This seems to be your self appointed ministry., and its a FAIL.

take care...
 

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Its not an opinion of the Jew, that they are God's chosen.
its a fact of Holy Scripture, that prove they are His chosen.

And now, the Gentiles who are born again, are become the family of God.. as "Spiritual Jews".

So, all that stuff in the Bible is true because the Bible claims it is, and because the Bible claims it is true, it is?
Surely even you can see that is a viciously circular argument? Which isn't to say your conclusion is wrong, just that it can't be proven that way.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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You should try to pay attention.

check out where i live... for an update..

Also, your comment has nothing to do with what i posted.
Nothing.
Can you at least try to stop on topic, or is this just not possible for you, 2ndratemind?

Now, having said that, i can answer your question, sure.

Q.) Who gets saved?

A.) All who come to the Cross believing in Jesus by Faith, as God will always accept faith, and only faith is "counted as righteousness", so that by this, the believer is "justified by Faith".
yikes, superior much?