23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[WPM]

Well pick one of your issues you say you are right and premils are wrong and I will gladly discuss it.

But one is yo0ur retiming of Rev. 19-20-21. There is simply no warrant to say that the latter chapters happen before the earlier chapters. That is not how God taught us to process information. YOu need strong biblical proof of that and this is the third thread you will be given a chance to show so.

Not true. Quite the opposite. God has from the beginning presented truths about an event or events and then expanded upon these by looking at them from various perspectives. Check the Genesis account. They are recapitulations.

Revelation is the same.

 

[Timtofly]

Not true. Quite the opposite. God has from the beginning presented truths about an event or events and then expanded upon these by looking at them from various perspectives. Check the Genesis account. They are recapitulations.

Revelation is the same.

Genesis 2 is not a recap of Genesis 1 for the same reason Revelation 20 is not a recap of Revelation 19.

Both Genesis 2 and Revelation 20 declare the Day of the Lord. That Day you symbolize as 24 hours, instead of 1,000 years. Then you symbolize the 1,000 years as the mathematical equivalent of X. X = however long it will be, it will be.

Not a great way to interpret Scripture, what ever will be, will be.

 

[WPM]

Genesis 2 is not a recap of Genesis 1 for the same reason Revelation 20 is not a recap of Revelation 19.

Both Genesis 2 and Revelation 20 declare the Day of the Lord. That Day you symbolize as 24 hours, instead of 1,000 years. Then you symbolize the 1,000 years as the mathematical equivalent of X. X = however long it will be, it will be.

Not a great way to interpret Scripture, what ever will be, will be.

The recap system and synonymous parallelism is seen throughout Scripture. You deny it because it exposes your teaching.

 

[WPM]

Well pick one of your issues you say you are right and premils are wrong and I will gladly discuss it.

But one is yo0ur retiming of Rev. 19-20-21. There is simply no warrant to say that the latter chapters happen before the earlier chapters. That is not how God taught us to process information. YOu need strong biblical proof of that and this is the third thread you will be given a chance to show so.

Revelation 19 exposes Premil and proves Amil. Revelation 19 :11-16 states, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

A plain reading of the passage before us reveals that Christ is coming back with wrath to execute judgment and destroy all those left behind. He is not going to reward men for their rebellion by leading them unto the glorified new earth. Neither is Christ coming to engage in some ill-fated war against evil for a thousand years – that is not remotely in the text. The King of kings and Lord of lords will not have to fight for victory. He already won that decisively at the cross.

Christ is seen pouring out His wrath without mixture upon the nations as He smites them in His fury with “a sharp sword” that comes “out of his mouth.” What is the result of this act? It shall “smite the nations” that have missed the catching away. This is what awaits the nations. They are going to be smitten. The word for “smite” in this text is the Greek word patasso, which means to strike with a weapon or to smite fatally. It means to smite down, cut down, to kill, slay.

Let us be clear: Heis coming to smite down the nations, not corral them into some sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. It says that “he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” This is not a pretty sight. This is not loose talk by God. This is not something that the nations should look forward to. What awaits the nations that have rejected Christ is utter destruction and devastation. The nations left behind are totally destroyed. Christ destroys them by the very utterance of His mouth.

The two words interpreted “fierceness” and “wrath” here are thumos and orge which are regularly employed in the New Testament to mean ‘fierceness, indignation, wrath and vengeance’. The word orge carries the additional meaning of ‘violent passion’. Clearly the Lord is not happy with those left behind. Like those left behind in Noah’s day and Sodom they face an awful end, as they receive the reward of their rejection of Christ.

Revelation 19:17-18 continues, “I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The loipoy (or remaining ones) those left behind were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”

Please see that the wicked are destroyed by the sword of His voice. This is complete wholesale total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

The feasting part of the marriage supper of the Lamb is a symbolism depicted the destruction of the wicked. Why can this not be a symbolic depiction of the return of Christ and the events that accompany it (including the destruction of the wicked)?

The first part of the narrative outlines a detailed account of the assignment given to “the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven” by the heavenly messenger. The “fowls” are instructed to “come and gather” themselves “together unto the supper of the great God” in order that they would “eat”:

1. The flesh of kings,
2. The flesh of captains,
3. The flesh of mighty men,
4. The flesh of horses, them that sit on them,
5. The flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

This passage powerfully and solemnly reveals the full extent of the devastation that is to be focused upon the wicked on the day of God’s wrath. In perfect keeping with the rest of Scripture, this narrative graphically shows us that the destruction that occurs will be immediate, absolute and total and that, at this stage – after “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) – everyone left behind will be completely consumed; the birds of heaven filling themselves with “the flesh of all men.” Significantly, the suffix “both free and bond, both small and great” is added in order to fully impress the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this feast.

The whole thrust of this reading surrounds a climactic end to the world. Like the rest of Scripture, it records the complete rescue of the saints in the “marriage of the lamb” and the complete destruction of the wicked when the fowls consume the entire wicked left behind. The passage makes no allowance for goats-survivors in this great destruction passage or mortals squeezing into a supposed future millennium. This reading seems to fit in with the scriptural pattern of an all-consummating Coming - all the wicked being consumed.

 

[Keraz]

The whole thrust of this reading surrounds a climactic end to the world. Like the rest of Scripture, it records the complete rescue of the saints in the “marriage of the lamb” and the complete destruction of the wicked when the fowls consume the entire wicked left behind. The passage makes no allowance for goats-survivors in this great destruction passage or mortals squeezing into a supposed future millennium. This reading seems to fit in with the scriptural pattern of an all-consummating Coming - all the wicked being consumed.

But the Prophesies of Revelation 20, do clearly say there WILL be a thousand year period when Jesus will rule as King over the earth.
Your AMill belief is wrong and simply contradicts much scripture.

The earth and mankind will at last; experience a time of rest from all the effects of Satans depredations. Micah 4:1-5

 

[WPM]

But the Prophesies of Revelation 20, do clearly say there WILL be a thousand year period when Jesus will rule as King over the earth.
Your AMill belief is wrong and simply contradicts much scripture.

The earth and mankind will at last; experience a time of rest from all the effects of Satans depredations. Micah 4:1-5

No it does not. Where? That is a Premill myth. Present your evidence instead of your opinions all the time.

 

[jeffweeder]

The earth and mankind will at last; experience a time of rest from all the effects of Satans depredations. Micah 4:1-5

The rest from our works that God gives us will last forever, rather than your temporary one that ends in utter rebellion.

 

[WPM]

But the Prophesies of Revelation 20, do clearly say there WILL be a thousand year period when Jesus will rule as King over the earth.
Your AMill belief is wrong and simply contradicts much scripture.

The earth and mankind will at last; experience a time of rest from all the effects of Satans depredations. Micah 4:1-5

Where in Micah 4:1-5 mentions some future millennium overrun by the wicked as you teach?

 

[Keraz]

Where in Micah 4:1-5 mentions some future millennium overrun by the wicked as you teach?

Micah 4:1-5 describes the Millennium reign of Jesus. That prophecy and others like Isaiah 2:1-5, Psalms 110:1-7, do not fit in this current Church age.

Your denial of the six mentions of a thousand year period in Revelation 20, that will take place after Jesus Returns, is your error and confusion.

The rest from our works that God gives us will last forever, rather than your temporary one that ends in utter rebellion.

For the faithful believers; it will, as they won't be a part of the people who rebel after the Millennium is over. Revelation 20:7-10

 

[WPM]

Micah 4:1-5 describes the Millennium reign of Jesus. That prophecy and others like Isaiah 2:1-5, Psalms 110:1-7, do not fit in this current Church age.

Your denial of the six mentions of a thousand year period in Revelation 20, that will take place after Jesus Returns, is your error and confusion.

For the faithful believers; it will, as they won't be a part of the people who rebel after the Millennium is over. Revelation 20:7-10

No it doesn't. It is talking about the last days which we are in now. This shows how bereft you are of biblical support.

 

[Keraz]

No it doesn't. It is talking about the last days which we are in now. This shows how bereft you are of biblical support.

As I suspected, you are locked away in an institution and are incapable of knowing the real state of the world.
Your minders shouldn't allow you access to the internet.

Micah 4:1-5
In the last days,
the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
4 Everyone will sit under their own vine
and under their own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the Lord Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods,
but we will walk in the name of the Lord
our God for ever and ever.

 

[WPM]

As I suspected, you are locked away in an institution and are incapable of knowing the real state of the world.
Your minders shouldn't allow you access to the internet.

Micah 4:1-5
In the last days,
the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
4 Everyone will sit under their own vine
and under their own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the Lord Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods,
but we will walk in the name of the Lord
our God for ever and ever.

I have come to be accustomed to your insults.

The last days scripturally are intra-Advent, not some alleged future age. When your doctrine requires you to invent 2 lasts days ages and 2 NHNEs then you can literally force the Bible to say whatever you want. This is crazy! The reality is: Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 refer to the here and now.

Isaiah 2:2-4 says, speaking of the Lord’s first Advent, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:1-3 parallels this teaching, saying, “in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

These passages are telling us that Messiah would come and bring peace to His subjects. This would be performed through the Word of God going out of Zion to all nations in these last days. Christ did this. The Gentiles are now coming to the truth of God by their millions. Isaiah receives a pictorial vision of the approaching new covenant order, and the last days. It is given in a metaphorical style describing the incredible peace and reconciliation that comes through the success of the Gospel. The mountain of the Lord refers to the kingdom introduced by Christ. There is no more war there. Mountains in Scripture prophetically speak of kingdoms. That is the case in Isaiah 2 and Malachi 4. The peace described came with the earthly ministry of Christ. It is spiritual. It pertains to the kingdom of God. It also relates to the last days – the days we are living in.

The Old Testament prophecies of “the last days” relate to the period following the Messiah’s first appearance when He introduced the kingdom of God to this earth and opened up the Gospel to the nations. Christ’s earthly ministry ushered in the period of the last days. This is confirmed in several New Testament passages.

Hebrews 1:1-2 declares, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.”

The last days commenced with the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ of which this passage provides indisputable proof. Hebrews 9:26 also says, “now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

1 Peter 1:19-20 also confirm that, “Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world … was manifest in these last times for you.”

Paul draws several of the Old Testament prophecies relating to the removing of the global deception upon the Gentiles (ethnos) together in Romans 15:8-12 and shows how this began with the life, death and resurrection of Christ and the subsequent evangelism of the early Church. Significantly, Isaiah 11 is one of them. He declares, “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written (in 1 Samuel 22:50), For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith (in Psalm 18:49), Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again (in Deuteronomy 32:43),Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. And again (in Isaiah 11:10), Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.”

Isaiah clearly relates to this current age.

Moreover, Romans 9:27-28 plainly declares, referring to Isaiah 10, “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel (in Isaiah 10:20-22), Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.”

Why do you deny the current fulfillment of at least part of Isaiah 11? What is your issue? Again, who are the true literalists? Amils!

Parts of Isaiah 11 definitely refer to the new covenant period (as can be seen through Paul’s allusion to this chapter in Romans 9:27-28 and 15:8-12), the others parts that are under dispute refer to the “new heavens and new earth.”

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not true. Quite the opposite. God has from the beginning presented truths about an event or events and then expanded upon these by looking at them from various perspectives. Check the Genesis account. They are recapitulations.

Revelation is the same.

Prove it.

Teh seals are different from the trumpets are different from the bowls and all have differing results, so they are not recapitualtions like Gensis 1 and 2 are. Just simply reading revelations shows that simple truth.

 

[WPM]

Prove it.

Teh seals are different from the trumpets are different from the bowls and all have differing results, so they are not recapitualtions like Gensis 1 and 2 are. Just simply reading revelations shows that simple truth.

Your spelling is as bad as your theology. You have a problem with spelling the word "the." Hello! You really need to make an effort. This is getting old.

As you dive into the book of Revelation it is important to recognize that it is not chronological. It is a series of recaps. It is a number of repetitions describing the spiritual battle going on during the intra-Advent period. It presents different camera views of the same game (mainly, the period between Christ's First Advent and His Second Advent). Sometimes when one is watching a sports game, the camera is close in on the action, sometimes it presents a broad panoramic view of the game. Sometimes it is focused on the coaches, sometimes it is focused on the players, other times, it is focused on the fans. The book Revelation is a bit like that. Sinclair Ferguson describes the apocalypse as: “Recapitulatory and progressive parallelism.”

What we are looking at is a spiritual revelation of our Savior revealed to us in symbolic form. We get a general overview of the story. We then have an expansion of particular aspects of that story. Scripture often does that.

Revelation 1-22 consists of a number of figurative prophetic parallels (most believe seven in total) revealing the overall battle between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness. They relate, like every other New Testament book, to the period running between the first and Second Advents. John basically goes behind the scenes into the spiritual realm and articulates in symbolic form the enormity of the great conflict between light and darkness. In the book of Revelation, we get a perceptive insight into the invisible realm.

You first of all have to recognize the recaps (or repeats or different camera views) of the same general game in Revelation. Each show us an important different aspect of the defeat of the kingdom of darkness and the defeat of every enemy of righteousness. Each of these refer to different subjects, entities or aspects of God's unfolding plan during that time. Each recapitulation finishes with the gathering of the wicked together to battle against the righteous, followed by the glorious climatic coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Parallels are simply different camera views of the same corresponding intra-Advent period which look at different aspects of the great battle between darkness and light. Basically, it is telling the same story from different angles.

First Trumpet/Vial - upon the earth
Second Trumpet/Vial - upon the sea
Third Trumpet/Vial - upon the rivers and fountains of waters
Fourth Trumpet/Vial - upon the sun
Fifth Trumpet/Vial - the followers of antichrist afflicted with grievous pain
Sixth Trumpet/Vial – a catastrophic final battle emanating from that great river Euphrates
Seventh Trumpet/ Vial - the end!

 

[Keraz]

This is crazy! The reality is: Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 refer to the here and now.

It's quite evident to anyone who reads Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:1-3, that they bear no relation to todays situation.
Your attempts to make then fit now, are just a joke.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your spelling is as bad as your theology. You have a problem with spelling the word "the." Hello! You really need to make an effort. This is getting old.

Thank you for straining out the gnat in my failures.

As you dive into the book of Revelation it is important to recognize that it is not chronological. It is a series of recaps. It is a number of repetitions describing the spiritual battle going on during the intra-Advent period. It presents different camera views of the same game (mainly, the period between Christ's First Advent and His Second Advent). Sometimes when one is watching a sports game, the camera is close in on the action, sometimes it presents a broad panoramic view of the game. Sometimes it is focused on the coaches, sometimes it is focused on the players, other times, it is focused on the fans. The book Revelation is a bit like that. Sinclair Ferguson describes the apocalypse as: “Recapitulatory and progressive parallelism.”

And you know this is a series of sports cameras HOW?

And I am glad Sinclair Ferguson created a name for this created concept.

What we are looking at is a spiritual revelation of our Savior revealed to us in symbolic form. We get a general overview of the story. We then have an expansion of particular aspects of that story. Scripture often does that.

Often? Give some examples of this often.

Revelation 1-22 consists of a number of figurative prophetic parallels (most believe seven in total) revealing the overall battle between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness. They relate, like every other New Testament book, to the period running between the first and Second Advents. John basically goes behind the scenes into the spiritual realm and articulates in symbolic form the enormity of the great conflict between light and darkness. In the book of Revelation, we get a perceptive insight into the invisible realm.

So are you saying, the seals, trumpets and bowls have been running for about 2 millenia now? Proof? Scripture defines its own symbolism and some you have given in the past are not found in Scripture, but in the fertile mind of ones imagination.

You first of all have to recognize the recaps (or repeats or different camera views) of the same general game in Revelation. Each show us an important different aspect of the defeat of the kingdom of darkness and the defeat of every enemy of righteousness. Each of these refer to different subjects, entities or aspects of God's unfolding plan during that time. Each recapitulation finishes with the gathering of the wicked together to battle against the righteous, followed by the glorious climatic coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

But yet the plagues wrought by the seals, trumpets and bowls are all different with different results. to same they are recaps of teh same events is to rewrite Scripture.

First Trumpet/Vial - upon the earth
Second Trumpet/Vial - upon the sea
Third Trumpet/Vial - upon the rivers and fountains of waters
Fourth Trumpet/Vial - upon the sun
Fifth Trumpet/Vial - the followers of antichrist afflicted with grievous pain
Sixth Trumpet/Vial – a catastrophic final battle emanating from that great river Euphrates
Seventh Trumpet/ Vial - the end!

But the targets are different, the results are different, the responses are different, so they are not recaps, but similar judgments with similar but different targets with different results. Only by rewriting scripture can you say these are the same.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have come to be accustomed to your insults.

The last days scripturally are intra-Advent, not some alleged future age. When your doctrine requires you to invent 2 lasts days ages and 2 NHNEs then you can literally force the Bible to say whatever you want. This is crazy! The reality is: Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 refer to the here and now.

Keraz and I do not agree often, but Here I agree with Him- you are in left field to think Isaiah and Micah are happening now! You have to take what is written and make it some secret code that people have to look to you to understand. Talk about Jim Jones wanna-be.

 

[WPM]

Keraz and I do not agree often, but Here I agree with Him- you are in left field to think Isaiah and Micah are happening now! You have to take what is written and make it some secret code that people have to look to you to understand. Talk about Jim Jones wanna-be.

Agreeing with Keraz means nothing. I would prefer you to agree with Scripture.

When do/did "the last days" begin? When do/did they finish? When is "the last day"?

 

[WPM]

Thank you for straining out the gnat in my failures.

And you know this is a series of sports cameras HOW?

And I am glad Sinclair Ferguson created a name for this created concept.

Often? Give some examples of this often.

So are you saying, the seals, trumpets and bowls have been running for about 2 millenia now? Proof? Scripture defines its own symbolism and some you have given in the past are not found in Scripture, but in the fertile mind of ones imagination.

But yet the plagues wrought by the seals, trumpets and bowls are all different with different results. to same they are recaps of teh same events is to rewrite Scripture.

But the targets are different, the results are different, the responses are different, so they are not recaps, but similar judgments with similar but different targets with different results. Only by rewriting scripture can you say these are the same.

You denying biblical facts means nothing apart from exposing your struggle with the inspired text. I showed you the evidence. You reject the evidence. That is the pattern with you. The vials and trumpets describe the same realities from different angles.

 

[WPM]

Thank you for straining out the gnat in my failures.

And you know this is a series of sports cameras HOW?

And I am glad Sinclair Ferguson created a name for this created concept.

Often? Give some examples of this often.

So are you saying, the seals, trumpets and bowls have been running for about 2 millenia now? Proof? Scripture defines its own symbolism and some you have given in the past are not found in Scripture, but in the fertile mind of ones imagination.

But yet the plagues wrought by the seals, trumpets and bowls are all different with different results. to same they are recaps of teh same events is to rewrite Scripture.

But the targets are different, the results are different, the responses are different, so they are not recaps, but similar judgments with similar but different targets with different results. Only by rewriting scripture can you say these are the same.

Many Amillennialists see 7 cycles in Revelation relating to the intra-Advent period. These parallel each other.

Cycle 1 (received on earth)

Cycle 1 is basically introductory. It is the only vision that was received on Patmos.

It relates to direct messages relating to the conduct of the seven churches (Ch 2-3).

Cycle 2 (received in heaven)

Seven Seals (Ch 6-8:1)

Cycle 3 (received in heaven)

Seven Trumpets (Ch 8:6-10:7)

Cycle 4 (received in heaven)

The Church and its onslaught from the devil (Ch 12) including a parallel view of the beast’s (the world antichrist system – intra-advent) persecution of the elect (Ch 13) and the simultaneous joy of the redeemed (Ch 14) in heaven (Ch 12-14).

Cycle 5 (received in heaven)

Seven Vials (Ch 16)

Cycle 6 (received in heaven)

Babylon (17-19)

Cycle 7 (received in heaven)

The figurative binding of Satan from the cross and the victorious reign of the saints in heaven. The ushering in of the New Heaven and the New Earth (Ch 20-22).

It is interesting that each of these parallels that were received in heaven (2-7) start with the Greek word kai ("And") even though they commence a new vision pertaining to the intra-Advent period and ending at the second coming.