9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

[tzcho2]

So you don't agree that the world is run by psychopaths?

No , I don't believe it is accurate to say the world is run by psychopaths.

 

[Soverign Grace]

What about the plane that went into the Pentagon?
There will always be speculation and conspiracy theories but one thing that strikes me about the report, which is an old one by the way as this was doing the rounds about three or four years ago. He states that in order to find out the truth president trump has to have a second term , only then can he ' reveal ' the truth , as they would crucify him in the press if he does it now!!
Do you honestly think that anyone would be able to relay the truth , if it didn't happen the way we have believed it to , and be allowed to survive !
Also it happened in broad daylight , in front of thousands of witnesses on the ground - they must have seen a plane - conveying something on tv / Facebook is one thing, but you cannot deceive the actual witnesses.
Rita

Eye witnesses said the building collapsed and saw no planes:

Eye witnesses who claimed no planes hit the towers and they blew up died mysteriously: http://www.newmediacentral.net/mysterious-911-witness-deaths/

The Original No Planers: Most Witnesses at the WTC Heard And Saw No Planes

Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! : conspiracy

I think it's a false flag until some point in time that I learn something different. False flags have been employed for years apparently. There is always an objective: to get the masses to do what they want. If you study it, you'll learn that following 9-11 when the nation was still numb, Bush signed a lot of legislation that completely suspended our Constitution. It has been a disaster since. I urge you to follow Attorney John Whitehead's blog and you'll learn how decimated our Constitution is now. We have moved dangerous towards Nazi Germany. You can find correlations doing an online search.

 

[tzcho2]

People have really lost their ability for critical analysis if this is what constitutes evidence to support the ridiculous claims that the planes didn't even hit the building.

 

[bbyrd009]

Bc you were there, right, you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was absolutely no subterfuge, a hologram airplane is completely impossible, etc huh. You know, and we are all just way stupider than you are right

That article was written by Joachim Hagopian, a conservative, a former West Point Graduate and army officer. Many sites "borrow" and reprint articles or pay someone to run their article for exposure. My family owned several online businesses and that's how it works. You can even pay a journalist to "interview" you for advertising. It's all about the $$$. If you google the title of the article you'll find the article on many sites. I think that his article is a work of art and the impeccable truth. I would go a step further however and state that these people are not only psychopaths but demonically inhabited. A prominent NY psychiatrist also believes this and has stated that those with either bipolar or schizopherenia are actually dealing with the demonic. When I was in college I shared some material about it with my psychology professor. It was a good thing she liked me and didn't laugh me to scorn because we all know what it's like talking to unbelievers about the spiritual. The veil is on their minds.

So you don't agree that the world is run by psychopaths? Didn't you see who was pictured - Obama. It was pretty obvious to all what he was. It isn't hard to see psychopathy at work: endless wars of sending young men and women into a human meat grinder; that Trump is continuing by the way. You should look into the real purpose of our endless wars that is likely going to topple us since we're trillions in debt. But that's part of the purpose. And they send home young people with PTSD, TBI, missing limbs, etc. They put them on disability and the taxpayers have to support them until they pass. I know 3 men on disability from being in the endless wars. I read yesterday that they just replace them with immigrants since it has increased 600% under Trump. But when the "North American Union" is formed there won't be Mexico, America, and Canada - it will be one, just as has been planned. Every aspect of your life will then be controlled. They're implementing it as we speak. Ask yourself why the DHS bought 450 million hollow point bullets. Hollow point bullets cause a lot more tissue damage than soft point bullets. Hollow point bullets expand in diameter to up to three times it original size (known as "mushrooming") after hitting a target, which makes a larger wound. Why does the DHS need such destructive bullets? And why have FEMA camps sprung up all across America and if someone tries to see what's going on, they're ordered to leave.

America now has one of the highest prison populations. Lobbyists for the prison industry go to Washington to demand tougher sentences - just so they're prisons are filled and making a tidy profit, courtesy of the American taxpayers. They're all after that Federal money that it is compulsory for us to pay out of our hard-earned labor. They're imprisoning Americans and then hire immigrants from other countries to come to America to be a prison guard over the imprisoned Americans. Who in the Name of God would do that if not a psychopath? And what Congressmen would let them if not a psychopath? They trade lives for money. I just read where a grandmother was arrested and charged while walking in Disneyland, for having CBD oil in her purse that she uses for arthritis pain. Who would do that? You decide.

The average person equates psychopathy with mass murderers like Manson, or Ocala, or many others. But just like there are "functioning alcoholics" there are "functioning psychopaths."

If you read "The top ten list of jobs that attract psychopaths" you'll learn why this country is such a mess.

1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer

8. Clergy person

9. Chef

10. Civil servant

The Top 10 Jobs That Attract Psychopaths

For those who haven't read Joachim's article I urge you to. I'll add a few choice quotes:

The current economic, political, military and legal system breeds psychopaths, rewarding psychopathic behavior and punishing those with conscience and integrity. Psychopaths will naturally be drawn to and converge at the apex of the power pyramid as much from their own drive for ambitious power as the hierarchical system that both requires and reinforces those who can comfortably operate without conscience, guilt or any genuine level of empathy toward others.

Psychopaths are in love with power and risk taking, masters of manipulation, self-serving opportunism and self-aggrandizement, and hold doctorates in deceit and deception. Psychopaths are super intelligent charmers who are highly skilled at playing others in order to get what they want. They are keenly perceptive at reading people, understanding their motives and values, brilliant at learning their weaknesses and blind spots, and highly effective at inducing both sympathy and guilt in others.

Psychopaths see others in terms of how they can be conveniently and cunningly used and manipulated to assist them in achieving their selfish goals and ambitions. (Take note of Joachim's choice of words. Why exhibits "cunning" behavior?)

As anyone can readily see from the preceding prototype description of the psychopath, the high powered arena of politics, the dog-eat-dog corporate world and the strong arm tactics of the military domain are all ideal and ripe fields of endeavor for those imbued with psychopathic traits.

"Masters of Manipulation": Psychopaths Rule The World - Global Research

i guess we think of psychopathy like we think of most everything else, "either/or," but every one of us falls somewhere on a bell-curve there, and there are even tests to determine where i am on the bell curve.

If I am doing one of these tests online, I know to have my enemy (friend) beside me, or my mate, or even a sibling will work. Priceless info imo

 

[Soverign Grace]

That is a false accusation on your part and an attempt to slander. I concern you? You simply want to post reams of Conspiracy claims with no opposing opinions to it. Apparently stating the opinion that these CT sites that claim the twin towers was a demolition and all the voice recordings to loved ones were phony is nonsense-- is vitrolic to you and a war of words. Or the showing that some of the people behind these beliefs are very questionable characters who hold antisemitic beliefs & are Holocaust deniers , and Griffin's bogus claims are not based upon facts & that the CT video evidence has been tampered.
I'm not stopping you from believing what you want but you don't want anyone to dare to disagree with you or showing these CT false flag claims are faulty.

The way you attempt to slander me by calling us the Conspiracy Club? That's the pot calling the kettle black and what Christ called a hypocrite. I'm shocked that you would do such a thing and not see that you're being a hypocrite.

I answered you one more time out of courtesy and I'm not answering you again. You have devolved into labeling and smearing. I like intelligent discourse but not when it crosses the line. You tolerate no other views than your own and don't believe that anyone but you knows or has researched the truth. I disagree and we have to leave it at that. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and rather than arguing and trying to make others believe as you do (I'm unsure of your motives since you've gotten so vitriolic over this; what is your stake in this? You don't have to answer; I'll guess) we should turn to God and ask Him to show us the truth.

Proverbs 2:6

“For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.”

Isaiah 11:2 - And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Maybe you aren't ready to hear these things yet:

John 16:12-15 - I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

In the years I've walked with God He has revealed truth to me a little at a time. I remember one time in particular I was bowled over with it; the reality of it all. I saw why He reveals truth a little at a time. He has been opening up Revelations to me in the last months. I've trusted this process for years. If He shows me otherwise then what I believe now then so be it. If he shows you otherwise then so be it. I don't want to spend anymore time on it because we're told:

"Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you" (Romans 16:19-20)

Researching that is IMO evil (outside of the profit of seeing how it fits with Revelations and Scripture and being as wise as the serpent; I don't want to spend more time on it but would rather spend it studying the Bible. So I wish you well. I pray that God will reveal truth to all here. That is my prayer.

 

[Soverign Grace]

People have really lost their ability for critical analysis if this is what constitutes evidence to support the ridiculous claims that the planes didn't even hit the building.

Everyone has lost their ability for critical analysis but you, right?

See above.

 

[bbyrd009]

No , I don't believe it is accurate to say the world is run by psychopaths.

ha well of course you wouldn't, since the Bible so clearly does, tz.

just trust that in your current state black is white and v-v, I mean that's we are all doing while reading you already anyway, I guess. Is this so hard to do?

I have just had a change of heart here, and I now believe exactly like you do about 911.
Could you tell me what has changed? ty

People have really lost their ability for critical analysis if this is what constitutes evidence to support the ridiculous claims that the planes didn't even hit the building.

bye Filicia

 

[tzcho2]

The way you attempt to slander me by calling us the Conspiracy Club?

Gosh "club" such slander, me bad. but you will continue to heap false allegations upon me because I dared to challenge the reality what you affirm. Yes, I believe there were Jets, hijackers and purposeful attack.

Club
: an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically also
: a group identified by some common characteristic
psychopath
(sī′kə-păth′)
n.
A person who engages in psychopathic behavior or is affected by antisocial personality disorder.
By eg. Obama btw, is a Community Organizer and not anti-social.

 

[bbyrd009]

This is why one is not supposed to give pearls to swine i guess.
What I don't quite get is why let hypocrites overrun your forum?


I have just had a change of heart here, and I now believe exactly like you do about 911, tz.
Could you tell me what has changed? ty

 

[Butterfly]

Eye witnesses said the building collapsed and saw no planes:

Eye witnesses who claimed no planes hit the towers and they blew up died mysteriously: Mysterious 9/11 Witness Deaths

The Original No Planers: Most Witnesses at the WTC Heard And Saw No Planes

Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! : conspiracy

I think it's a false flag until some point in time that I learn something different. False flags have been employed for years apparently. There is always an objective: to get the masses to do what they want. If you study it, you'll learn that following 9-11 when the nation was still numb, Bush signed a lot of legislation that completely suspended our Constitution. It has been a disaster since. I urge you to follow Attorney John Whitehead's blog and you'll learn how decimated our Constitution is now. We have moved dangerous towards Nazi Germany. You can find correlations doing an online search.

I have no idea if it happened or not , i keep an open mind on the whole thing. A few years ago I was intrigued by it all , and spent quite a bit of time looking into it - but I tend to try and focus on how I should be responding rather than keep focusing on all the theories- God has all the answers
Rita

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry, had to put you back on blocked.

i understand, no probs, and best of luck to you ok

no change from my perspective at all thoug, see. I srsly doubt you could quote a single reply to me?

 

[tzcho2]

Everyone has lost their ability for critical analysis but you, right?
See above.

Nice of you to falsely accuse me once again of saying what I didn't say, nor did it enter my thoughts.
It is a puzzle to me why you seem to make so much effort to accuse me of what I didn't say? this was not the first time and these attempts to put words in my mouth? You seem to purposely try to read more into my posts then what I said- very interesting.

 

[Nancy]

Witness!

 

[bbyrd009]

I think it's a false flag until some point in time that I learn something different. False flags have been employed for years apparently. There is always an objective: to get the masses to do what they want. If you study it, you'll learn that following 9-11 when the nation was still numb, Bush signed a lot of legislation that completely suspended our Constitution. It has been a disaster since. I urge you to follow Attorney John Whitehead's blog and you'll learn how decimated our Constitution is now. We have moved dangerous towards Nazi Germany. You can find correlations doing an online search.

we could even illustrate personal 'false flags,' things we do to get our way, basically. Tired now but even the concept makes sense imo? Of course Govs do that, we even elect the best false flaggers lol, only by another name i guess

 

[Nancy]

Mysterious 9/11 Witness Deaths[/URL]

"Just a coincidence"

I say no.
And this is all verifiable, if one cares to read it!
Open your eyes folks, stop being so trusting of this Government (and the talking heads whom claim "Christianity"), ANY government, IMO.
Just take a peek at how many untimely deaths occurred during and after 911. Witnesses. If something is verifiable, wouldn't you want to at least check into it? I do not at all believe all of these things are coincidences.

 

[Nancy]

The uninformed naysayer club in action.

I don't want to devolve into an unchristian war of words. You concern me because you're being hateful and vitriolic. That's not Christ's Spirit - that's the flesh.

Just accept that others see things differently than you do. We all move in different circles, have different levels of education, experience, and knowledge.

Truth is very often stranger than fiction. I'm not saying that my views are sacrosanct. This is what I believe now until I find further credible information to the contrary. I've researched it for a few years and always look to God to show me the truth. Before I researched I looked at the world one way - now I look at it another way. I realize the truth of "The whole world lieth in the lap of the wicked one." There are those at the highest pinnacle of our government who are wholly given over to evil, and who worship the devil. As hard as that is to fathom we see evidences of it everywhere. Maybe you should look into Trump more: Christian preacher: Trump admin’s push to decriminalize homosexuality shows America’s ‘evil influence’

Donald Trump is not a Christian, but he knows what the religious right needs to hear, says historian - Religion News Service

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

I believe that Trump's handlers have studied psychology - these are all high-level people who are educated at the finest institutions. Like advertisers who use psychology to get us to buy their product, so too psychology is being used on Christians and they're not even aware of it. Remember that: these people have honed their craft. They've even gotten some pastors on board who have sold their soul for a seat at the king's table.

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

Micah 2:1 - Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.

Christ gave us warnings in Scripture and I'm seeing the truth of what He meant. Other verses speak of the evil as well. At no other time in my life have my eyes been opened to the cruel evil that surrounds us. I liked it better when I didn't know it, so I also know the truth of: "With much knowledge comes much sorrow."

1 John 5:19 - [And] we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Each day seems to grow darker than the last, and I have been praying often but reading verses such as the following encourages me but these are very dark days. I feel a sadness that our children and grandchildren will never have that innocence of childhood. They won't watch "Leave it to Beaver" or other wholesome shows because Hollywood is taken over by evil. My husband & I like old westerns. It's hard to believe the number of times we hear references to God and Scripture. But that's all by the wayside. America is now a cauldron of filth. I've been in much prayer.

2 Thessalonians 3:2 - And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.

People for the most part, IMHO-see what they WANT to see. Christians are not exempt...

 

[tzcho2]

Here's the Truth

 

[tzcho2]

Osama Bin Laden

 

[Marymog]

#1 I can't locate the statements right now but if you research you'll find that some who claimed that no plane flew into the building were scooped up by the FBI and then changed their story.

#2 Opinions are as different as people. I trust the person who personally witnessed many demolitions and made the offhand remark that the buildings collapsed as if done by demolition. They are no conspiracy theorist and didn't research it to be swayed one way or another. It was just that: an honest offhand remark.

#3 How do you know with certainty how long it takes to plant explosives - are you a demolitions expert? Someone could surreptitiously do it IMO. But it's something that you can research.

#4 That's your opinion that you believe that it's utterly ridiculous nonsense that would only be suggested and believed by a delusional person. Funny: my best friend said that about me when I told her I became a Christian. I hold the opinion that the reverse is true.

I could go on but sadly it won't change your mind. Looks like a stalemate.

Each of us has differing experiences throughout our lives: we work at various places, alongside different people, have varying levels of intelligence, different levels of education, move in different circles, and many other variables too numerous to recount.

When people become heated about an issue I think that's a sign to stop discussion and that's what has happened here. Every single person should research for themselves and never take another's word for or against an issue. But from my experience, sometimes the truth is buried under a mountain of lies. But it's up to each person to look for the truth no matter where it leads them. I've read the statement that those who don't remember the past are destined to repeat it. We would do well to remember how the masses of the Germans were deceived. THE MASSES. Those planning false flags know all the tricks and possess a cunning intellect. If you've ever studied psychopathy you'd see how those types often function in high level positions, not just as mass murderers. Like functioning alcoholics there are functioning psychopaths. I'll leave you with this article:

Psychopaths Rule the World:

"Masters of Manipulation": Psychopaths Rule The World - Global Research

Nope, no stalemate. The 9/11 conspiracy theories have all been credibly debunked by professionals in their respective fields (pilots, explosive experts, structural engineers etc.) academia, physical evidence, multiple witnesses, photographic evidence, video evidence etc.

That's not a stalemate......that's one person falling for complete and provable and proven lies and then claim the lies are evidence.

Mary

Purdue creates scientifically based animation of 9/11 attack

 

[Marymog]

There is so much deception in politics Nancy that I actually hate them. Once you go down the rabbit hole it gets pretty dark and I don't have the stomach for it. But I believe that as Christians we have a duty to hold to the truth and I don't want to be deceived. Politics are as old as Christ's day when the Pharisees sought to put Him to death. Liars hate the truth. But you're right - they learn what words to say to evoke a specific reaction and Christians fall for the hook many times. Other people don't want the truth because it dashes their hopes, and challenges their preconceived notions.

When I was in college I did a report on the Kitty Genovese syndrome, where dozens of people sat by as a young woman was murdered in the street. How could that many people sit by and hear those piteous screams? Why didn't someone break through the delusion and help that woman? From memory it's called "Bystander Apathy" - it's a psychological phenomena. The high-functioning liars/ psychopaths study these things and utilize them to evoke specific reactions among the public. I urge everyone to read the article link above "Psychopaths Rule the World." It may open a few eyes.

Your'e right that the world is growing darker by the day. It's to the point where I get weak in the knees reading the news. One of the biggest things that bother me is how these evil individuals have control of education. They've been pushing the most devilish garbage the unregenerate mind can conceive. It makes me see that we can only do whatever small part that we can and then pray because they have their hooks in education, media, entertainment, politics, and even in the church. Scripture warns us to "not be ignorant of the devil's devices."

In bible study the pastor said to focus on Christ first. And I think that has merit here. I think we have a duty to share what we find and it's up to each person to pray and ask God to show them the truth. And the rest is left up to God.

Heaven looks better to me all the time because these days are dark. In the end the only one that we can rely on is Christ in the face of the evil that has come upon the world. Job 5:12 reads: "He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise." We have to hold onto that and our faith.

I agree, sooooo much deception in politics.

Did your college report on Kitty Genovese include the debunked story that the New York Times ran?

https://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/