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Have you ever considered that the scripture means exactly what it states, Jesus went up in a "Literal" cloud and will return the same way
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Jesus is talking about 2 events in Matt 24. Dispies do not see that. Preterists do not see that. He moves back and forth in talking about both.
Yes. He told the person on trial.
Matthew 26:62-64
New Living Translation
Mark 14:59-62
New Living Translation
Someone told me at a Taco Bell that Jesus would be coming back and it would be all because of Hilary Clinton getting into office here in America.
There is a writer out there who wrote about Donald Trump being the Second coming of Christ.
The person at Taco Bell also told me that he believes in dual prophecy and that prophecy will reoccur today and the even of the “end of the age” will end in prospect based on modern stand points rather than to see if anything in the past may be related.
There are many theories and conspiracies out there, reading the Bible and studying it is more profitable and God will show you new things by the spirit in rewarding you with peace, comfort and love by the Spirit.
These things are up to you to believe in or not, as your faith is subjectively lived, do you believe Jesus speaks do 2 prophecy for that generation and a future generation? I do not believe I have come across him doing so, he always spoken the truth and that truth was indeed including the divorcement of Israel for having lost their ways, and rejecting God. Even though there were people who not rejecting, those who believed received comfort and care with relationship with the Father having faith and waiting to see the Lord again.
There is a writer out there who wrote about Donald Trump being the Second coming of Christ.
The person at Taco Bell also told me that he believes in dual prophecy and that prophecy will reoccur today and the even of the “end of the age” will end in prospect based on modern stand points rather than to see if anything in the past may be related.
There are many theories and conspiracies out there, reading the Bible and studying it is more profitable and God will show you new things by the spirit in rewarding you with peace, comfort and love by the Spirit.
These things are up to you to believe in or not, as your faith is subjectively lived, do you believe Jesus speaks do 2 prophecy for that generation and a future generation? I do not believe I have come across him doing so, he always spoken the truth and that truth was indeed including the divorcement of Israel for having lost their ways, and rejecting God. Even though there were people who not rejecting, those who believed received comfort and care with relationship with the Father having faith and waiting to see the Lord again.
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You didn't answer the claims below, "Diversion"
Please explain how you have a 70AD "Great Tribulation" and Jesus returning in the clouds of heaven "Immediately After" the tribulation of "Those Days" in 70AD?
Yes the second coming seen is "Future" but "The Great Tribulation" seen is "Future" also, and it didn't take place in 70AD as you claim
"Immediately After" doesn't equate into 2,000 years and waiting, it's that simple
"No, Nor Ever Shall Be"? World War II with 70 million casualties dwarfs reformed escgatology's "Laughable Claim" of 70AD fulfillment
Your reformed preterist interpretation "Fails" yet you will cling to it like a Millennialist does to a fairy tale Kingdom on this earth
Jesus Is The Lord
Matthew 24:21-22 & 29-31KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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In His discourse Christ understands how His disciples do not yet have understanding of all He is telling them. They would not fully understand until Pentecost when they see the prophetic words of Christ beginning to be fulfilled through the outpouring of the Spirit. It was through the Spirit in them that they would have power and all knowledge needed to carry out the mission Christ gave His Church on earth.
Christ too wept over what would become of Jerusalem and the once Holy Temple. These first century disciples, being Jews like Christ felt great adoration and admiration for the city and temple. Christ plainly says that His house, which was supposed to be a house of prayer had been turned into a den of thieves, and therefore His disciples should not speak or think anymore of Jerusalem as a holy place, because it was soon to be besieged by armies "And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation", and Christ further said unto them "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
The city and temple in Jerusalem had become an abomination destined to destruction unto God long before 70 AD. Christ speaks of the unsaved Jews as "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" Of them He says, "This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet." We can understand the ire of Christ against those Jews professing to love God, then murdering those whom God sent, including Christ, the Son of God. But is not the ire of Christ against unsaved Jews written to be an example for the spiritual Kingdom of God on earth; the Church? When Christ calls them an "evil generation" does He mean only them? Will only that one generation from the first century alone not escape the damnation of hell? These questions must be asked and answered if we are to understand who Christ is speaking to from the Mount of Olives. Is He primarily addressing ethnic people of the first century AD who happen to be Jews, or is He primarily addressing Christians in the first century AD who happen to be Jews?
It's an important distinction because Christ addresses both. And you will not be able to rightly understand the words of Christ until you understand "evil generation" is not limited to first century unbelieving Jews, who shall not escape the damnation of hell, but is written to define an age of time, also likened a thousand years, marked by evil and "great tribulation" as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the nations of the world.
Generation - Strong's Greek Dictionary
1074. γενεά genea (geneá)
Search for G1074 in KJVSL; in KJV.
γενεά geneá, ghen-eh-ah'
from (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):—age, generation, nation, time.
feminine noun
Generation is a word derived from the Greek word génos meaning - "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective) born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock.
The offspring, stock or kin of evil has never been limited to the first generation AD. Therefore when Christ speaks of the generation that shall not perish until all that is written shall be fulfilled He is speaking of the evil that shall come as "great tribulation" against His church on earth as the Gospel spreads throughout the earth during this Messianic Gospel age/era.
The Jews living in Jerusalem in 70 AD most assuredly did experience "great tribulation" when Jerusalem and the Temple were utterly destroyed. But, as you point out "great tribulation" Christ warned His disciples would come is associated with proclaiming the Gospel unto all the earth. Great tribulation, like evil generation, is not limited to any one event, or time but is clearly evident as this world continues to exist. The great tribulation Christ spoke of began when He came to earth a man, and it will be felt throughout this age of time in various ways and means. But the great tribulation that shall come to the body of Christ, His church on earth shall have no equal and shall never be again. Because after the tribulation that began with His coming shall be over, Christ will come again to gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, and in that moment His elect shall be immortal and incorruptible, complete to live with Christ forever on the new earth.
There are two tribulations in Matthew 24, one relating to AD70 and one preceding the coming of Christ. You seem to miss that. They are different in the nature, origin and their focus. There is the great tribulation of God upon Israel in AD70, and the tribulation of Satan upon the righteous at the end.
Two tribulations have gone on simultaneously since man was ever created, the tribulation of Satan upon the righteous is manifested in the temptation in the Garden but is poignantly revealed in the relationship between Cain and Able.
The general resurrection will occur after an intense period of tribulation.
There are 2 different tribulations here in 2 different contexts. What happened in AD70 is just a precursor to the destruction at the end that sees all flesh destroyed. The global persecution of the Church at the end will be like no other persecution the people of God have faced.
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There are religious clowns everywhere. I stay away from them. This does not negate truth. These same people also claim to believe in the deity of Christ, His sinless life, His atoning death and glorious resurrection. Do they negate that by their nonsense? Of course not. You are obvious running out of arguments.
I’m not sure why you added “you are running out of arguments?” There are not many arguments to be had when a person believes Jesus.
But people decide to choose to believe what Jesus means and the important way to understand is actually going back into the four gospels and reading them all over again, in good faith, and prayers.
Document, what is found and what is said. Jesus promised to return several times, the apostles wrote and preached also of the wrath which they could be saved from that would fall upon Jerusalem.
John the beloved wrote in which proclaims the things in the letter was shortly come to pass (Revelation 1-20)(21-22 are renewal chapters everything becomes new after chapter 20; I see there two chapters as pictures and types. And Jesus said he was coming quickly several times on this whole scroll of revelation that was read to the seven assemblies.
Therefore because of these things are this is were my faith is relying on Jesus having been able to do all he had promised and fulfill all scripture in which he would conquer over all things which would be placed beneath his feet; and Jesus would give everything back to the Father so that God could be all in all. And allows the heavenly realm to have an outside where unbelievers reside and there is a kingdom there which inside are believers who dwell with God.
It’s all about faith, and all about loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.
They were the last evil generation that put up the Son of God for death. They were of Isreal. Which God made a covenant with. If they disobeyed they received no blessing but curses.
But naturally you and me are evil anyway, @rwb, but what do you think Jesus really meant by this parable?
Matthew 21:33-46
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The revelation is the final picture of the judgment that comes upon Jerusalem. Along with two chapters of what heaven is like. But we don’t know all that much.
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Yes, the evil Jews that murdered the Son of God were natural Israel, or Israel of the flesh. God's Covenant through Christ is not made with natural Jews, but Jews of faith. Only those Jews who are of the supernatural Seed (Christ) of Abraham received the promise of everlasting life through the Messiah who would come to redeem those Jews of faith from sin and death. Those who were not of Christ, not of faith are of their father the devil, an evil generation.
John 8:38-45 (KJV) I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
The parable is self-explainable.
Not faith in a lie, faith in the truth. Nothing you say adds up. When Scriptures are presented that expose your heresy you duck around them as if they do not exist.
I have responded to your error with a new thread. This needs to be examined in more detail than your evasive responses. Thanks for inspiring to to study deeper. Here is my new thread that challenges your speculations: The folly of Preterism
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