I’m only interested in the answer a pretribber would give me. Those are the only answers I will be listening to or reading. (That doesn’t mean you can’t post another boxing match, just that I won’t read it. Lol) I’ve tried to ask the question in a thread or two but I guess it’s just gotten lost in the brouhaha.
So my question, what I want to hear you lay out for me, is how you fit into your eschatological framework, one particular passage. I’m looking for something I may not have considered in my brain regarding it. I won’t be arguing with you, I just really want to hear what you have to say about it.
Okay, so it says in Revelation that those who come out of the tribulation who did not receive the mark of the beast will be part of the first resurrection. How do you fit that verse into your framework? I’ll bold the parts that I can’t fit into pretrib in my brain.
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Thank you, by the way, for giving me any thoughts about it I may not have seen.
* “The” tribulation is a reference to God’s Tribulation.
* Pre-Tribbers’ are those “IN” Christ’s “hand”, risen UP Before Gods Tribulation.
* THEY ^^ “IN” Christ, have already accomplished:
~ Receiving Gods “knowledge”...ie Scriptural word of God.
~ Believing Gods “knowledge”....ie Scriptural word of God.
~ Confessed (with their “own heartful word”)....they BELIEVE the knowledge.
* John 10:
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28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of
my hand.
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29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of
my Father's hand.
In “this day” and “in the day” of Gods tribulation(S), men WILL BELIEVE....
BELIEVING is ‘one’ thing....CONFESSING BELIEF is ‘another’ thing.
Those “IN” Christ, have ALREADY “laid down their bodily life, as a TESTIMONY of their BELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty.” (Ie..Crucified WITH JESUS)...
Their BODY, washed, (IE. in Jesus’ BLOOD), sanctified, (IE. SET APART), soul SAV-ED, (IE. RESTORED, Pss 23:3), Justified, to BE risen UP, (not subject to WRATH)
God’s Tribulation IS Revealed VIA Gods WRATH.
Gods WRATH IS the RESULT of Gods ANGER Against men WHO HAVE “rejected Him and the One He Sent”.
The One God SENT, Jesus, Gods Word of Gods TRUE KNOWLEDGE, revealed that Jesus IS THE CHRIST (ie the Spirit, Power, Wisdom, Seed of God), IS He who IS the POWER to SAVE a man FROM separation From God and Destruction BY, Through, Of Gods WRATH.
A man “IN” Christ, IS Already SAVED, IS Already IN Gods REST, IS Already WITH God Forever, PERIOD, regardless of what prophecies must continue to be fulfilled.
Gods Tribulation IS foretold in Scriptural Knowledge.
A series of Seven Seals, Seven Trumps, Seven Vials, Each increasing in severity of Gods Wrath UPON the Earth. It is opportunity FOR men “upon” the Earth; TO FREELY DECIDE to BELIEVE....to CONFESS their BELIEF....or suffer the consequences of eternal separation FROM God.
From the Beginning, God Foretold what would come to pass. Many foretold prophecies had YEARS pass before they would SEE the prophecies become realized.
IN “the last days”, Prophecies will come to pass “quickly”. The knowledge is “NOT NEWS”....The “acceptance” of the “knowledge”, IS every “individual mans option” to Believe it or not.
IN “the last days”, EVERY man WHO believes IN their Heart, “in God, in Christ Jesus”...........God “WILL BRING WITH HIM”.
A pretribber....IS already JUSTIFIED, “IN CHRIST”....”Already IN Christ Jesus’
Hand”...
When the Lord Jesus Descends FROM Heaven TO the CLOUDS....
“HE” claims....(call UP TO HIM, those men “IN HIS HAND”).
THEN....Begins Gods Tribulation UPON the Earth...affecting...the “UNDECIDED”.
As the “UNDECIDED”, are “MAKING their Decisions”....OF “Heartful” BELIEF...
THEY suffer the “physical consequences”, of the prophetic WRATH, death and destruction UPON the Earth.
THEY UPON the Earth, WHO physically DIE......IN Belief “DURING” Gods Tribulation, GOD shall bring “WITH” Him.......ie Raise UP IN Glory, ie All time First Resurrection Of EVERY individual that shall ever be SAVED and with the Lord God Forever. Once “IN” Gods
hand, they are Forever WITH God.
Those ‘IN’ Christ ARE ALREADY “DELIVERED” FROM Gods Wrath.
Those “undecided” shall Suffer “portions” of Gods Wrath.
Those “undecided” Suffer “portions” of Gods Wrath...UNTIL they Believe and Physically Die....and THEN are SAVED.
Those “undecided” WHO ‘never’ believe...Suffer Gods Wrath...Physically Die...and are NOT save.
Rom 1:18
Col 3:6
1 Thes 1:10
1 Thes 5:9
Those WHO DIE, believing “
IN JESUS”...God WILL save, AFTER their Physical Death.
Those WHO ARE “crucified WITH Jesus”...ARE “
IN CHRIST”...Christ the Lord Jesus has ALREADY SAVED ‘them’.
1 Thes 4:
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13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[
14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which
sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[
15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[
16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead
in Christ shall rise first:
[
17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
See the Difference? IN Christ...IN Jesus?
God IS JUST.
Christ Jesus Redeems those IN His Hand.
God Redeems those IN His Hand.
Glory to God,
Taken