Can anyone be a Christian if they do not believe and/or accept what Moses wrote ? -winc
What in particular would one have to accept in the writings of Moses in order to be a Christian?
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Can anyone be a Christian if they do not believe and/or accept what Moses wrote ? -winc
What in particular would one have to accept in the writings of Moses in order to be a Christian?
Can anyone be a Christian if they do not believe and/or accept what Moses wrote ? -winc
was there anything else?
Can anyone be a Christian if they do not believe and/or accept what Moses wrote?
Can anyone be a Christian if they do not believe and/or accept what Moses wrote ? -winc
i know serious and devout Christians who do not believe what Paul the apostle wrote.
I still expect they will be "saved" .
They do not accept what Paul wrote .... because it appears to be at odds with other gospel accounts .... which of course is true because most of the gospels are written to a Jewish audience , and Paul focused teaching for the non Jewish audience.
I feel they can accept the gospels , reject Paul .... and still be saved. Their sin is not knowing how to read scripture in proper context.
Besides .... is it not fair to say that most of the Jews who knew the writings of Moses ....yet ... did not believe in Christ when He came .... thus missed out on salvation ..... the pharisees were a good example .... they were experts in Moses' laws .... right ?.
Even today we have devout believers who think the book of revelation is hogwash. Never mind what they think of Moses.
So ... yes .... i feel a person can believe in Christ and be saved even if they dismiss Moses.
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an additional thought ..... do you know any Christians who do not believe in the literal 6 days of creation in Genesis?
...... plenty of them around. Are they saved ?
Moses supposedly wrote Genesis .
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never said they did .... I said some Christians disregard Paul because he often writes to a non Jewish audience and Matthew is written to a Jewish audience.The gospel according to Paul has no discrepancies in it when set along side of Matthew, Mark, john, Peter, Jude.
Luke has discrepancies with all of the other accounts of the gospel. Luke and parts of the acts which Luke also copied and wrote in 160 AD are the total of discrepancies in the new testament..
never said they did .... I said some Christians disregard Paul because he often writes to a non Jewish audience and Matthew is written to a Jewish audience.
Not sure if they are still around , but in the 1980's there was a group who only used the book of John as the basis for all their knowledge. Not sure if I agree with that .... but I observed they had a "pure" Christianity without arguments or misunderstandings about all the other (hard to understand) stuff in the bible.
Out of curiosity ... do you believe the writings of Moses and his literal 6 days of creation ?
Do you agree that many Christians do not believe Moses , and are probably still saved ?
Moses didn't write about a literal six days of creation. He wrote about a six thousand year creation which hasn't finished yet. He wrote about God creating a mature earth around six thousand years ago. He wrote about God's resting on the seventh Day which has not come yet but who's light is just about to dawn.
Enjoyed your post. What you said about healing is very valid. I believe in both healing of the body, and the spirit, and, restoration of the soul.13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth comes, He will guide you into all truths.
I agree and I believe it with all that I am, but my question is this: why is it that not all people have the same truth? Not even all Christians believe the same truths. However, all these Christians believe that they believe the 'truth' that the Holy Spirit is guiding them into.
I personally believe the reason is that they have hardened their heart to the real truth and in their pride are trusting in their own knowledg more that they trust the word. I could give examples but I fear that would lead this debate in a direction it was not intended. So, I'm not trying to change the debate I just want to clarify what I'm talking about.
'By His stripes we are healed' That is what it says. Not all Christians believe it means what it says. instead they use other scriptures to prove it means we are healed in the spirit, not in the physical body. However, they don't give a verse that says we are healed only in the spirit, or we are not heald in the body. Some believe it is a promise of healing from God, some of us don't believe it that way. Does that make sense?
I guess what I'm asking here is how do we know for sure when we have the truth the Spirit reveals, and not just a truth that makes sense? Some truths won't make sense without revelation From the Spirit. That's why the world doesn't understand us.
Hi Son or Man,
13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth comes, He will guide you into all truths.
I agree and I believe it with all that I am, but my question is this: why is it that not all people have the same truth? Not even all Christians believe the same truths. However, all these Christians believe that they believe the 'truth' that the Holy Spirit is guiding them into.
I personally believe the reason is that they have hardened their heart to the real truth and in their pride are trusting in their own knowledg more that they trust the word. I could give examples but I fear that would lead this debate in a direction it was not intended. So, I'm not trying to change the debate I just want to clarify what I'm talking about.
'By His stripes we are healed' That is what it says. Not all Christians believe it means what it says. instead they use other scriptures to prove it means we are healed in the spirit, not in the physical body. However, they don't give a verse that says we are healed only in the spirit, or we are not heald in the body. Some believe it is a promise of healing from God, some of us don't believe it that way. Does that make sense?
I guess what I'm asking here is how do we know for sure when we have the truth the Spirit reveals, and not just a truth that makes sense? Some truths won't make sense without revelation From the Spirit. That's why the world doesn't understand us.
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who is another person to judge what one person emphasizes and another person may not use at the moment
The fact is, we can only use information that we understand in the context of our lives and worldview