A thought on the corona pandemic.

[Ronald Nolette]

Just a thought to share with the dirth of the Corona Virus. While any death is a tragedy, we must remember that every year in America almost 3,000,000 die from all causes. that is just under 1% of the population.

The corona virus has infected over 17,500,000 and we have seen a death rate of 314,000 which is about 1.85% of those infected. What makes this virus so scary is that it hit us and we had no known vaccines and at the start no known therapeutics to treat those infected.

We are at the beginning of the end of this scourge in America. Several treatments, 2 vaccines and many more in the pipeline, we should breathe a sigh of relief very very soon.

god was merciful even though we had the most cases and deaths of all honest reporting nations.

 

[JohnDB]

Just a thought to share with the dirth of the Corona Virus. While any death is a tragedy, we must remember that every year in America almost 3,000,000 die from all causes. that is just under 1% of the population.

The corona virus has infected over 17,500,000 and we have seen a death rate of 314,000 which is about 1.85% of those infected. What makes this virus so scary is that it hit us and we had no known vaccines and at the start no known therapeutics to treat those infected.

We are at the beginning of the end of this scourge in America. Several treatments, 2 vaccines and many more in the pipeline, we should breathe a sigh of relief very very soon.

god was merciful even though we had the most cases and deaths of all honest reporting nations.

Unfortunately it isn't over yet.
The hospitals here are past capacity. Many are getting it again for a second time.

The damage done from the virus and lousy attitudes by various leaders is going to last for even longer.

Family of U.S. Student Jailed for Quarantine Violation Pleads for Her Release

I'm sorry but not sorry for this girl.
She was in the Cayman Islands...a banker's holiday trip. One I can't afford. But now having a hissy fit because she broke the quarantine laws and is sitting in jail.
Oh grow up!

 

[Pearl]

2 Chronicles 7:13-15
‘When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place.

Perhaps there's a clue there.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

2 Chronicles 7:13-15
‘When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place.

Perhaps there's a clue there.

Well as Americans are not Israel called by God and america is not the promised covenanted land, It really doesn't apply to America and its government and the reckless debt that both the govts. and the people have amassed. As the church we can apply this to ourselves only and pray for a harvest and revival in the land, but it is not a guarantee for us as it was for Israel.

Right now with actual debt and unfunded liabilities against the governments at all levels- America is indebted to the tune of $165,000,000,000,000
that is 165 trillion! or $495,000 for every man woman and child in America!

Also many folks forget these verses which go with the verses you listed.
15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

So we would have to get to Israel and pray in the reconstructed temple!

 

[Pearl]

Well as Americans are not Israel called by God and america is not the promised covenanted land, It really doesn't apply to America and its government and the reckless debt that both the govts. and the people have amassed. As the church we can apply this to ourselves only and pray for a harvest and revival in the land, but it is not a guarantee for us as it was for Israel.

Right now with actual debt and unfunded liabilities against the governments at all levels- America is indebted to the tune of $165,000,000,000,000
that is 165 trillion! or $495,000 for every man woman and child in America!

Also many folks forget these verses which go with the verses you listed.
15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

So we would have to get to Israel and pray in the reconstructed temple!

Picky. I am called by God. And I really don't know why you brought politics into a spiritual discussion. i believe that God's promises are for all of us whatever timescale we are in. But ok you need not humble yourself and pray about the situation the world is because of this pandemic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Picky. I am called by God. And I really don't know why you brought politics into a spiritual discussion. i believe that God's promises are for all of us whatever timescale we are in. But ok you need not humble yourself and pray about the situation the world is because of this pandemic.

Well I do pray for my nation and for its leaders as well as family and church members and people on my prayer list. But 2 Chron. 7:14 is not a guarantee that if enough Christians pray for America god will heal the land Like it was for Israel time and time and time again.

I brought politics in, because this is a political thread on this forum and I started the OP to help people realize the very precarious place America is in (and most of the world as well)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Unfortunately it isn't over yet.
The hospitals here are past capacity. Many are getting it again for a second time.

The damage done from the virus and lousy attitudes by various leaders is going to last for even longer.

Family of U.S. Student Jailed for Quarantine Violation Pleads for Her Release

I'm sorry but not sorry for this girl.
She was in the Cayman Islands...a banker's holiday trip. One I can't afford. But now having a hissy fit because she broke the quarantine laws and is sitting in jail.
Oh grow up!

My personal opinion is that the powers that be behind the powers we see, pushed for these lockdowns and financial ruin that ensued! Many many organizations are pushing hard for a one world govt. and this virus might( I say MIGHT) be the vehicle they use to bring that about. Nations are priniting fiat currencies by the boat load, wealth is bieng gobbled up by the wealthy, businesses are shutting down in record numbers, once the govt. ends teh eviction and foreclosure bans, tens of millions will lose their apts, homes and businesses.

The worst of the financial catastrophe still awaits the world.

 

[Enoch111]

The corona virus has infected over 17,500,000 and we have seen a death rate of 314,000 which is about 1.85% of those infected.

You have naively assumed that these numbers are true, accurate and correct. But nothing could be further from the truth. Kindly do some serious digging. Absolutely nothing reported or published regarding the Wuhan virus is trustworthy.

 

[Enoch111]

2 vaccines and many more in the pipeline, we should breathe a sigh of relief very very soon.

More naive talk. Instead of breathing a sigh of relief, people will be even more oppressed by the powers that be. And the vaccines themselves are bogus.

 

[JohnDB]

Well my wife is getting her first Vaccine injection on Saturday...

I'm looking forward to mine.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have naively assumed that these numbers are true, accurate and correct. But nothing could be further from the truth. Kindly do some serious digging. Absolutely nothing reported or published regarding the Wuhan virus is trustworthy.

Well then I assume you believe that the WHO, CDC and NIH are all lying to the public then. For these numbers came from them I think 2 days ago.

But if you believe you have more accurate numbers, by all means post them and the source you got them from.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

More naive talk. Instead of breathing a sigh of relief, people will be even more oppressed by the powers that be. And the vaccines themselves are bogus.

And you know this how??????????? Some conspiratorial web site?

 

[JohnDB]

Here in Nashville the transfer of Covid patients has stopped. ALL hospitals are full.

They have to leave room for the drunk driving accident victims coming in soon.

What's somewhat unsettling is that they have only given out a tenth of the Vaccine doses they have received with more on the way.

All I know is that they need to get themselves into gear and begin to give out those injections in a very real way. We are people and if we see a nurse in line to get their shots we can step aside and let them in front of us. No big deal.

Just saying that they need to open it up if they want to get ahead of this thing...we got a lot of Vaccines coming...they are really cranking it up to really produce this stuff. Vats of hundreds of litres.

Get that needle out and begin to vaccinate!

 

[Enoch111]

Well then I assume you believe that the WHO, CDC and NIH are all lying to the public then. For these numbers came from them I think 2 days ago.

Yes. They have all been lying. While that sounds shocking it is true.

But if you believe you have more accurate numbers, by all means post them and the source you got them from.

I will let the words of an actual medical doctor speak for themselves below. But I will also make notations and put emphases within this article:

PART I
Fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?
It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us. CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

This revelation comes a few days after I wrote here at American Thinker that New York City was lying about COVID-19 deaths. The normal rules about reporting deaths have been violated by that city in the rush to inflate the body count, presumably to steer more taxpayer money to the Big Apple.

That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)

The system is deeply flawed
Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made? Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says. The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I’ve been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.

More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission.

So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.

 

[Enoch111]

PART II
Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”

“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”

There is a question-and-answer section on the memo. One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”

The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”

The answer is: “COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.” [Boldfacing in original]

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.” “The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.

How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess
“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”
[Note: Dr. Deborah Birx, who was on Trump's Task force (and is now resigning for COVID masking hypocrisy), had stated back in the Spring that COVID deaths were being "OVER-REPORTED" by at least 25%. One could say 30-40% would be more accurate. (Gunshot deaths and poisoning deaths have also been recorded as COVID deaths). So if 314,000 deaths have been reported the actual number may only be about 188,000. Estimated flu deaths in 2017-18 could have been as high as 80,000, which makes coronavirus a bit more nasty. However, had HCQ not been sabotaged by the FDA and public health officials, the picture would have been quite different. There was a conspiracy to inflate deaths and that is exactly what happened]

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.

Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

Let the investigations begin
As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.

The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.

The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000. As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.

Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down? Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.

But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account. Let the investigations begin.

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

 

[Enoch111]

Something else to note is that when people take the PCR test for COVID and test positive, that immediately becomes a "case". That is fraudulent, since that is definitely not a medical case. So case numbers have also been inflated to cause fear and panic. And it has been proven that the way PCR tests have been conducted leads to mostly FALSE POSITIVES. Even Fauci admitted this.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Something else to note is that when people take the PCR test for COVID and test positive, that immediately becomes a "case". That is fraudulent, since that is definitely not a medical case. So case numbers have also been inflated to cause fear and panic. And it has been proven that the way PCR tests have been conducted leads to mostly FALSE POSITIVES. Even Fauci admitted this.

Well I know the numbers we see are estimates, as not every hospital and clinic and test site can report numbers to be included every day.
I also know deaths are somewhat inflated ,( though not by much).

I have a daughter who is in control of all the figures for Covid patients and testing and contact tracing for a local hospital. She is on teleconferences with state officials daily with all other regional hospitals for reporting and info purposes. She has told me this is done nationwide daily.

As for deaths? Anyone who dies with a +covid test and die from one of the proven symptoms of covid are given covid as either main or supplemental cause of death.

As many false negatives can be had as false positives. So all in all I give the numbers a+or- 6-8% MOE

 

[JohnDB]

And it has been proven that the way PCR tests have been conducted leads to mostly FALSE POSITIVES. Even Fauci admitted this.

PCR tests are not generating false positives. They are the accurate tests. But they cost around $800 each.

There are other tests that they are doing that are giving the false positives and negatives. These are much cheaper than a PCR test...and have been used a lot more than the more expensive PCR tests.