By then it'll be too late. Why risk it?
Matt 24:37-39 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
but have we not already been promised that no more floods will occur? I suggest that you have been raised to think logically, and this has trapped you into a pov, and led you to assumptions about the future--known as "seeing" or "divining"--that are not true, and will not serve you.
But again, this convo might best be had then, and all i can really say now is that i will not be faulting you even then, ok. New believers have been led into these assumptions for thousands of years, and i guess they will be for many more. This pov is discussed in many places in Scripture; i would say that you are being talked about behind your back, so to speak, but the same passages that i read you can read also.
False wheat certainly do not preach Grace salvation and the finished work of the cross.
are you sure? How do you know? Understand that when you do not appear here Sept 25th, yet it is obvious that no one else has been taken up--to make an assumption, for now--then you will be demonstrating imo why this pov of "finished work" is not adequate, and why James is. And should you appear then, you will also demonstrate it; either Grace, or the lack of it.
Not all believers look forward to the rapture? Well they should, it's their eternal state. Jesus talks about those who are asleep to His coming..
Matt 24:37-39 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
1 Thess 5:1-8 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
well, all i can tell you is that you are literally interpreting passages meant to be taken spiritually, and there are other, more personally applicable interpretations.
Of course He does. Believing is having faith. They are the same thing bbyrd. What are we believing in??
well, i suggest to you that "belief" and "faith" are two different things, that i have already given the Greek words for, and Scripture disagrees with you in more than one place.
1 John 5 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
The words "belief" and "faith" are translations of the Greek, and i would let Lex be your guide in understanding what is being discussed imo. Satan also believes, God can make believers from rocks, etc.
I would think those who deny and are asleep to the Rev 12 sign need to put their affairs in order, no? It's a dangerous place to be in, not knowing if you have eternal life?
no one knows if they have "eternal life," Heb, you can only have the "hope of salvation," "
13 He who holds out to the end is saved," wherein you might get another reflection of "left behind" in that link if you will but see it.
However this is an ancient division, it split the Anabaptists into Amish and Mennonite, etc, so i am not suggesting that my word is the final one here by any means. But i can suggest that automatically including yourself in some group of "We" that can claim to be saved, and thus somehow different from others, is quite self-serving at least, and comes dangerously close to the Pharisee's Prayer, and other illuminations of hypocrisy in the Book, at least imo. It is a source of pride, which should be a red flag.
The passage in Rev 12 is a wonderful exposition, full of symbology, that may be spiritually applied to one's walk, or misused to divine some prognosticated future that will not occur at the herd level. It is about the Revelation of Christ in a seeker who overcomes, and not a "soft landing" for people who have no desire to do the hard thing, as imo Sept 25th is going to clarify for us. Have a good afternoon.
