StanJ
Lifelong student of God's Word.
Exactly, not actual eternal life but the promise thereof. Pretty much what I said for about 3 or 4 posts.ATP said:Correct. Once we believe and confess we have the promise of eternal life. Simple isn't it.
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Exactly, not actual eternal life but the promise thereof. Pretty much what I said for about 3 or 4 posts.ATP said:Correct. Once we believe and confess we have the promise of eternal life. Simple isn't it.
So how does a believer lose eternal life if he already has it? It's God's promise, not ours right?StanJ said:Exactly, not actual eternal life but the promise thereof. Pretty much what I said for about 3 or 4 posts.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or just playing around? If a person doesn't actually have eternal life but does have the promise thereof and he is not claimed by Jesus when Jesus returns as a believer then Jesus can't give them eternal life. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?ATP said:So how does a believer lose eternal life if he already has it? It's God's promise, not ours right?
If you have eternal life you also have the promise Stan. It is the deluxe package.StanJ said:If a person doesn't actually have eternal life but does have the promise thereof
The promise of eternal life does not mean you have eternal life otherwise you wouldn't need the promise. Again don't quite understand how you don't get that?ATP said:If you have eternal life you also have the promise Stan. It is the deluxe package.
Yes Stan, it does. The promise of eternal life means you have eternal life. That is why it is called a promise. Oh boy.StanJ said:The promise of eternal life does not mean you have eternal life otherwise you wouldn't need the promise. Again don't quite understand how you don't get that?
You still haven't answered my question about Hebrews 9:27?
Then if you actually have eternal life why are you dying? Oh boy is right! Do you know what the word vacillate means?ATP said:Yes Stan, it does. The promise of eternal life means you have eternal life. That is why it is called a promise. Oh boy.
Heb 9:27, right everyone dies, that's why we can be certain now that we will be a part of the first resurrection.
Again, I have the promise of eternal life Stan. Oh boy is right, lol.StanJ said:Then if you actually have eternal life why are you dying? Oh boy is right! Do you know what the word vacillate means?
Now you're just going around in circles ATP. We already agreed many posts back now that we have the promise, BUT you keep on trying to change that into HAVING the actual gift of eternal life, which we can't and don't have and is easily proven by the fact that we DIE. It's not just oh boy now, it's actually quite sad.ATP said:Again, I have the promise of eternal life Stan. Oh boy is right, lol.
Stan, you're confusing the promise we have now to when the promise will be revealed to us. Why?StanJ said:Now you're just going around in circles ATP. We already agreed many posts back now that we have the promise, BUT you keep on trying to change that into HAVING the actual gift of eternal life, which we can't and don't have and is easily proven by the fact that we DIE. It's not just oh boy now, it's actually quite sad.
You're confusing the promise to receive eternal life when Jesus returns, to actually having eternal life before he returns. The promise is for the future not for now because if it was then Hebrew 9:27 would be a lie.ATP said:Stan, you're confusing the promise we have now to when the promise will be revealed to us. Why?
Where is your confidence Stan?StanJ said:You're confusing the promise to receive eternal life when Jesus returns, to actually having eternal life before he returns. The promise is for the future not for now because if it was then Hebrew 9:27 would be a lie.
Where is your answer? I am more than confident that you're afraid to answer this which is why you don't.ATP said:Where is your confidence Stan?
If you had confidence you would know you have the promise of eternal life now. Very simple.StanJ said:Where is your answer? I am more than confident that you're afraid to answer this which is why you don't.