After the Devil is Cast Out

[rwb]

I DID NOT MISQUOTE YOU! What you said below is a false statement. Satan was NOT cast out at Christ's birth, nor even at Christ's crucifixion which many wrongly believe John 12:31 means.

You said, and I quote:
"Or is it that the Bible verses I've shown you clearly show when Satan and his angels were permanently cast out of heaven when Christ was born?"

Revelation 12:2-5 (KJV) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12 is very clear Davy. When Christ was born there was a war in heaven between Michael and his angels and the dragon and his angels, and:

Revelation 12:7-8 (KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 (KJV) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The angels in heaven celebrate because casting Satan and his angels out of heaven WHEN CHRIST WAS BORN meant that salvation, and strength and the power of Christ had come. Now the Gospel of Christ, that is Him born of woman, living a holy sinless life, giving His life on the cross to redeem His people from sin, and defeating the power over fear of death that Satan was able to hold over the nations of the earth, would NOW be preached unto all the earth. And whosoever believes the Gospel according to grace through faith and the power of the Holy Spirit from every nation (whether Jew or Gentile) throughout the earth would be released from fear of bondage to death, believing Christ for eternal life.

Revelation 12:10-11 (KJV) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

It was by His birth that the message about Christ the Messiah/Savior who would come to save His people, began to be preached unto every corner of the globe. Before the advent of His birth, the coming Messiah was foretold only to one tiny nation. And through His atoning bloodshed on the cross He paid the penalty required for sin. Then by His resurrection Christ proved death could not hold Him, nor could it hold those who come to Him by grace through faith. In this He defeated the power Satan had to hold the nations in bondage to fear of death.

 

[rwb]

I already gave Biblical proof about Satan and his angels being cast out of the Heavenly dimension in the future by Signs that Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse WHICH ARE THE SEALS OF REVELATION 6. It's in my original post. In Rev.12:7-17 include some of those Signs of the end Jesus gave leading up to His future return, like the 5th and 6th SEALS especially.

As already pointed out, you began with vs 7 of Rev 12 because you would like to omit the fact that the war in heaven took place when Christ was born. You have an agenda, and don't wish to be troubled with the whole of Scripture, but only those parts you can try to make fit your preconceived opinions.

 

[Truth7t7]

As you do, you did not address what I wrote. As has been highlighted by other posters, you seem to have an inability to address other people's arguments. You duck around them and simple repeat what you have been taught.

Address the biblical evidence presented that forbids your speculations.

I clearly answered your claim regarding Job 1:7 and the statement it supported that Satan was in heaven

"The Sons Of God" below are human men, and they were upon earth, your assumption and imagination that they and Satan are in heaven isn't supported by scripture below as you claim

You act as if God is confined to a small shoe box above "Wrong", the earth is God's footstool

Job 1:6-7KJV
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

"Omnipresent God" spoke to Satan who was at God's footstool, your claims Satan had access to God's throne in heaven is false and laughable

Isaiah 66:1KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

 

[WPM]

I clearly answered your claim regarding Job 1:7 and the statement it supported that Satan was in heaven

"The Sons Of God" below are human men, and they were upon earth, your assumption and imagination that they and Satan are in heaven isn't supported by scripture below as you claim

You act as if God is confined to a small shoe box above "Wrong", the earth is God's footstool

Job 1:6-7KJV
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

"Omnipresent God" spoke to Satan who was at God's footstool, your claims Satan had access to God's throne in heaven is false and laughable

Isaiah 66:1KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

That is not even an argument. Your teachers have taught you wrong. As you do, and in keeping with the Dispies, you avoided the evidence. That is how you engage. What is more, read Job 38:6-7: "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" This is talking about the angelic host.

 

[Truth7t7]

What is more, read Job 38:6-7: "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" This is talking about the angelic host.

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men

It appears you believe the false teachings in that angels had sex with human women and brought forth the Nephilim, smiles!

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[WPM]

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men

It appears you believe the false teachings in that angels had sex with human women and brought forth the Nephilim, smiles!

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

I have not heard any Amil here advocate that angels had sex with human women and brought forth the Nephilim. Such a belief is nonsense. You are trying to distract from actually addressing the legitimate arguments that refute your claims. Your MO is avoidance.

#96 exposes your reasoning. You cannot address it. Other posters arguments remain unaddressed.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are trying to distract from actually addressing the legitimate arguments that refute your claims. Your MO is avoidance.

No avoidance whatsoever, read it again

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men, as scripture clearly shows below, your claim "The Sons Of God" are angels in Job 38 is "False"

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[covenantee]

No avoidance whatsoever, read it again

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men, as scripture clearly shows below, your claim "The Sons Of God" are angels in Job 38 is "False"

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

When God laid the corner stone of the earth, He had not yet created mankind.

So how could the sons of God in Job 38:7, who shouted for joy at that time, be mortal human men?

 

[WPM]

No avoidance whatsoever, read it again

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men, as scripture clearly shows below, your claim "The Sons Of God" are angels in Job 38 is "False"

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

You are totally ignoring my post. You have to. You have clearly nothing to bring to the table to refute what I am saying.

 

[Truth7t7]

Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

When God laid the corner stone of the earth, He had not yet created mankind.

So how could the sons of God in Job 38:7, who shouted for joy at that time, be mortal human men?

Read the scripture below again and again, God's words aren't contradictory

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

When God laid the corner stone of the earth, He had not yet created mankind.

So how could the sons of God in Job 38:7, who shouted for joy at that time, be mortal human men?

Scripture below clearly tells you who "The Sons Of God" are, and you reject God's words before you're eyes "Why"?

Must be that false reformed preterist eschatology stuck in your eye?

Jesus Is The Lord

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[covenantee]

Scripture below clearly tells you who "The Sons Of God" are, and you reject God's words before you're eyes "Why"?

Must be that false reformed preterist eschatology stuck in your eye?

Jesus Is The Lord

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Scripture clearly tells you that God had not yet created mankind.

Why do you deny it?

Must be that dispen apostate Jesuit spirit stuck in your mind?

From Job 38:7 Hebrew:

◄ 430. elohim ► c. angels Psalm 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (the) sons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7; Genesis 6:2,4 Strong's Exhaustive Concordance angels, exceeding, God, very great, mighty

 

[Truth7t7]

Scripture clearly tells you that God had not yet created mankind.

Why do you deny it?

Must be that dispen apostate Jesuit spirit stuck in your mind?

From Job 38:7 Hebrew:

◄ 430. elohim ► c. angels Psalm Job 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (the) sons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7; Genesis 6:2,4 Strong's Exhaustive Concordance angels, exceeding, God, very great, mighty

Scripture below clearly tells you who "The Sons Of God" are, the believers and you reject God's words before you're eyes "Why"?

You think those believers are different than the old testament than the new, same Lord

Must be that false reformed preterist eschatology stuck in your eye?

Jesus Is The Lord

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[covenantee]

Scripture below clearly tells you who "The Sons Of God" are, the believers and you reject God's words before you're eyes "Why"?

You think those believers are different than the old testament than the new, same Lord

Must be that false reformed preterist eschatology stuck in your eye?

Jesus Is The Lord

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Strong

Need a hint?

 

[WPM]

Read the scripture below again and again, God's words aren't contradictory

It's talking about mortal human men on this earth, The "Sons Of God" are believing mortal men

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

No one disagrees that we are the sons of God. The angels in context are also called the same. That is what you are not getting.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 12:2-5 (KJV) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12 is very clear Davy. When Christ was born there was a war in heaven between Michael and his angels and the dragon and his angels, and:

NOT FOR YOU, Rev.12 is not clear for you. You are ADDING into it, which is why you don't understand it.

Rev.12:1-5 is a Biblical SUMMARY, from the time of Satan's original rebellion to the time of Adam and Eve, then all the way down to the time of Christ and His future reign of Rev.20 with the "rod of iron".

Rev 12:1-5
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

The 'wonder' is seen IN HEAVEN, not on the earth. That points to God's predestination of Israel BEFORE the foundation, a la Malachi 1:1.

The symbolic "woman" represents the Seed of the Woman in Genesis that Christ would be born through. The twelve stars represents the 12 tribes of Israel she would later give birth to. The sun and moon represents Jacob and his wife, per Joseph's dream in Genesis 37.

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

That "child" represents the START of the Seed of the Woman, Abel, but eventually Seth whom the Seed would continue through down to Christ. So that's actually pointing to Adam and Eve's time, not Mary and Joseph's time.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

That part in red is of the time of Satan's original rebellion, when he first rebelled against God, and drew those one third of angels to earth with him at his fall. That was in the OLD WORLD, prior to Adam and Eve.

And then this child, is about the time Satan (that "dragon") stood before the 'woman' to devour was about Satan's starting attempts to destroy the SEED of the Woman! Satan's first act in trying to destroy the Seed was with Cain murdering his brother Abel. That AIN'T about Jesus, it's about the START OF THE SEED OF THE WOMAN IN GENESIS.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
KJV

That child right there IS... about Lord Jesus, for it is Christ Jesus that is to rule all nations with the promised "rod of iron". With just that change from verse 4 to 5 it JUMPS timeline-wise from the overthrow, to God's ordaining of the Seed of the Woman and Satan's beginning to try and destroy that Seed, and then Christ's 1st coming and then Christ's future reign of Rev.20. In just FIVE VERSES it is covering that kind of timeline.

 

[Truth7t7]

No one disagrees that we are the sons of God. The angels in context are also called the same. That is what you are not getting.

I Disagree, the morning stars below are Angels, and the sons of God are mortal human men

Job 38:7KJV
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Davy]

I Disagree, the morning stars below are Angels, and the sons of God are mortal human men

Job 38:7KJV
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

That Job 38:7 verse is of the 'same' time, when God made His original creation. So the "sons of God" there must be angels also. There was no flesh man back at that time. The passage that belongs to is about God creating the foundations of the earth...

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
KJV

 

[Truth7t7]

Scripture clearly tells you that God had not yet created mankind.

Why do you deny it?

Must be that dispen apostate Jesuit spirit stuck in your mind?

From Job 38:7 Hebrew:

◄ 430. elohim ► c. angels Psalm 97:7 (ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Calv; but gods, Hup De Pe Che); compare בני (ה)אלהים = (the) sons of God, or sons of gods = angels Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7; Genesis 6:2,4 Strong's Exhaustive Concordance angels, exceeding, God, very great, mighty

The Sons Of God below are mortal human men, that married mortal human women, Angels aren't given in marriage

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Mark 12:24-25KJV
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

 

[Truth7t7]

That Job 38:7 verse is of the 'same' time, when God made His original creation. So the "sons of God" there must be angels also. There was no flesh man back at that time. The passage that belongs to is about God creating the foundations of the earth...

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
KJV

I will concede to your interpretation in this being before man's creation, the sons of God would be before this (Angels)