An Ode for the looming Brexit situation in Great Britain?

[CoreIssue]

I thought so.

But sadly how true..we have them in office 'over' us who have no clue.
( deliberately saboteurs. )

Socialist stars of them US dem party - Two Muslims and a New Yorker.

 

[Butterfly]

Patients been difficult today...?

Have a good night!

We are not allowed to call them patients- not in the care home language !!
They are residents - no, they were fine. It's just a very physical job and it was a hot day ( suddenly the UK is getting summer weather for a few days - it won't last !! Lol )
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

I did a lot of research for on the European model versus US model for healthcare. Neither are perfect, but you can get better healthcare much faster in the US.

The point is it isn't free. In Europe your health tax doesn't pay for all care. It also comes out of the general tax fund. You pay a lot more in taxes than we do.

Your system restricts which procedures you can get a lot more than Medicare does.

You talk about having to wait. I had a serious issue beginning of the year. On the telephone my doctor said call an ambulance.

I had complete examinations and surgery and went home in less than two weeks. Then he put me on home visits from nurses.

That would've not happened in Europe.

My health cost for Medicare with supplemental is $125 a month. My state and federal taxes are zero.

I do grant you that younger people have a lot more struggles. But for anything serious you just go to the emergency room and they get treated at taxpayer expense.

I live in an area that has a huge senior population, including me. At 68 years old I am one of the youngest in my subdivision.

In fact my wife has an issue. She is going for surgery May 1.

There is no good solution to healthcare. Having served in elected office it is always a balance between cost, want and need. But I want my doctor of my choosing determining what I need, not a politician or bureaucrat.

There is good and bad in all health care - Germany has a good health service, but it's expensive , however they can see pretty much anyone in a very quick time.
You said about your health issue that required emergency treatment, surgery and aftercare, then state that ' it would happen in Europe - well in Germany it would , and in the uk it would too. If you go into casualty and it is serious , or an issue that requires treatment straight away, you are admitted, seen, surgery offered and aftercare when you go home. It is true it would not happen with things that are not considered urgent, however in Germany it would. I cannot vouch for other European countries as I don't kow much about the health services elsewhere.
We do have alternatives in the UK, private health care - but that's way out of my budget !
I don't know all that much about the health care in the US, just really what has been the case with friends who live there. I am presuming that it must vary from state to state, as many of them struggle to get treatment for certain things.
We have not always had a national health service, and the poor couldn't always get the treatment they needed unless the local doctor took pity on them, this was why Mr Beverage decided it was time for a change- and it worked really well for years, you didn't have to wait for treatment back then. I don't think people were opposed to paying either, they saw it as a way of helping one another, and themselves - it was post war, and maybe that whole experience had influenced how people felt about one another.
It has changed, it's not perfect, but it's all I have as a resident here.
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

There is good and bad in all health care - Germany has a good health service, but it's expensive , however they can see pretty much anyone in a very quick time.
You said about your health issue that required emergency treatment, surgery and aftercare, then state that ' it would happen in Europe - well in Germany it would , and in the uk it would too. If you go into casualty and it is serious , or an issue that requires treatment straight away, you are admitted, seen, surgery offered and aftercare when you go home. It is true it would not happen with things that are not considered urgent, however in Germany it would. I cannot vouch for other European countries as I don't kow much about the health services elsewhere.
We do have alternatives in the UK, private health care - but that's way out of my budget !
I don't know all that much about the health care in the US, just really what has been the case with friends who live there. I am presuming that it must vary from state to state, as many of them struggle to get treatment for certain things.
We have not always had a national health service, and the poor couldn't always get the treatment they needed unless the local doctor took pity on them, this was why Mr Beverage decided it was time for a change- and it worked really well for years, you didn't have to wait for treatment back then. I don't think people were opposed to paying either, they saw it as a way of helping one another, and themselves - it was post war, and maybe that whole experience had influenced how people felt about one another.
It has changed, it's not perfect, but it's all I have as a resident here.
Rita

My whole point was there is no such thing as a perfect system but from all my studies over all US has the best health care system.

That does not mean there is not a lot of things in the fixed.

 

[Butterfly]

Yes, I got your point, but I am not entirely sure why you felt the need to make it as I was not endeavouring to convey our health service, or anyone else's as being perfect!
So I guess we agree on something ! Lol
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes, I got your point, but I am not entirely sure why you felt the need to make it as I was not endeavouring to convey our health service, or anyone else's as being perfect!
So I guess we agree on something ! Lol
Rita

Because most readers here are Americans. Healthcare is a big issue with some pushing socialism and others holding up the European model as superior.

 

[Butterfly]

Ok, I have no idea what is being conveyed - but one thing I will say about the NHS is that it was set up to help the poorer people within society- of course it costs and we know it is not free, but how much do you, or other Americans care about those within your society who cannot afford to get the health insurence or care that some of you can enjoy, or even the young people. This is one of the underlying questions. Even you have conveyed that ' your system is good for you at the moment ' - but, as an example, what about my sons friend, is it fair that she has to have that door closed to get a problem sorted. Or the other member of this forum who could no longer get the pain meds that was needed.
The point I raised in my earlier post about the origins of the health service, people knew it would cost, but they cared about others - enough to be willing to pay in on behalf of others, it is only the workers that contribute - the elderly, sick, disabled , children ect do not contribute.
The whole issue was about ' caring '.
About looking outside of yourself and doing something for others.
The downside is that I do not think things were as corrupt then as they are now !
Rit

 

[CoreIssue]

Ok, I have no idea what is being conveyed - but one thing I will say about the NHS is that it was set up to help the poorer people within society- of course it costs and we know it is not free, but how much do you, or other Americans care about those within your society who cannot afford to get the health insurence or care that some of you can enjoy, or even the young people. This is one of the underlying questions. Even you have conveyed that ' your system is good for you at the moment ' - but, as an example, what about my sons friend, is it fair that she has to have that door closed to get a problem sorted. Or the other member of this forum who could no longer get the pain meds that was needed.
The point I raised in my earlier post about the origins of the health service, people knew it would cost, but they cared about others - enough to be willing to pay in on behalf of others, it is only the workers that contribute - the elderly, sick, disabled , children ect do not contribute.
The whole issue was about ' caring '.
About looking outside of yourself and doing something for others.
The downside is that I do not think things were as corrupt then as they are now !
Rit

The US spends more health care and the poor than those Europe.

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

 

[Butterfly]

This is not a competition, think how big your country is compared to Britain.
Ok, so they put money in so why can't this young girl get the carpal tunnel sorted out, why can't pain meds be made avaliable - if the money is there within the system you have. This isn't to undermine what you have conveyed, this is to try and understand- does it vary between states, are some better for health care than others.?

 

[CoreIssue]

This is not a competition, think how big your country is compared to Britain.
Ok, so they put money in so why can't this young girl get the carpal tunnel sorted out, why can't pain meds be made avaliable - if the money is there within the system you have. This isn't to undermine what you have conveyed, this is to try and understand- does it vary between states, are some better for health care than others.?

Not trying to compete.

As for that girl I don't have the details to make. No idea if any of the situation was handled correctly.

But I do know that even outside the system there are many volunteer organization doing medical work. Something I believe is illegal under your system.

The ironic thing here does the scoring based on what.

South America is tremendous what they offer.

It's easy to get lost in the numbers.

 

[CoreIssue]

The Best Healthcare and Healthcare Systems in the World 2019
The Top 25 countries with the best healthcare systems the world in 2017 | CEOWORLD magazine

 

[Helen]

My whole point was there is no such thing as a perfect system but from all my studies over all US has the best health care system.

That does not mean there is not a lot of things in the fixed.

Is that totally true though. My daughter and family live in USA and they are well off, at the top of the heap. But I don't hear from them about how wonderful it is there.

I remember our brother Truth on this forum. I believe he went to five hospitals with his wife in agony with Cancer...wanting and needing help.
They were turned away.
Finally APAX from this site, posted a list of clinics and hospital places...Truth took his wife to one of them and they were wonderful to them...and saw her through to the sad end.

Not sure all things are equal there ( as everywhere) CoreIssue.

 

[Butterfly]

Ok, thanks for the list, slightly worried as the USA isn't on the list !
Didn't you say earlier that over all it was the best, so why isn't it at the top !!
Luxembourg is in Europe - it's top, you were quite critical of European health care in earlier posts......so something is not adding up !
Granted the UK is quite low on the list, but I do know Europe has a better system.
Rita

 

[Helen]

Ok, thanks for the list, slightly worried as the USA isn't on the list !
Didn't you say earlier that over all it was the best, so why isn't it at the top !!
Luxembourg is in Europe - it's top, you were quite critical of European health care in earlier posts......so something is not adding up !
Granted the UK is quite low on the list, but I do know Europe has a better system.
Rita

Maybe I am reading it all wrong...it seems as if UK came out far ahead of USA.

Quote-
< “Among the 11 nations studied in this report – Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last, as it did in 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2014″ > end of quote.

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[Butterfly]

Thanks Helen , I didn't see the USA , but it still doesn't come out well

 

[CoreIssue]

Is that totally true though. My daughter and family live in USA and they are well off, at the top of the heap. But I don't hear from them about how wonderful it is there.

I remember our brother Truth on this forum. I believe he went to five hospitals with his wife in agony with Cancer...wanting and needing help.
They were turned away.
Finally APAX from this site, posted a list of clinics and hospital places...Truth took his wife to one of them and they were wonderful to them...and saw her through to the sad end.

Not sure all things are equal there ( as everywhere) CoreIssue.

I didn't say it was wonderful here. But compared to the rest of the world it is better.

We have several big cancer centers around where we live. A Cancer Treatment Centers of America.
A major cancer group is associated with a hospital chain with one hospital about 5 miles from. My national insurance is in their network, but it does not require you to use that network.

It is a Medicare advantage coverage.

When you say turned away I backed the I bet they were actually referred elsewhere. The standard practice is referral.

And if they are well off how in the world do they not have insurance?

Sorry, but as mayor I worked on some of these issues and with the local hospital. Not to mention I was also a board member for the county health department. So this does not sound right to me.

 

[Helen]

I didn't say it was wonderful here. But compared to the rest of the world it is better.

We have several big cancer centers around where we live. A Cancer Treatment Centers of America.
A major cancer group is associated with a hospital chain with one hospital about 5 miles from. My national insurance is in their network, but it does not require you to use that network.

It is a Medicare advantage coverage.

When you say turned away I backed the I bet they were actually referred elsewhere. The standard practice is referral.

And if they are well off how in the world do they not have insurance?

I think we have our wires cross here.
Not sure you read my post correctly.

My daughter and husband have wonderful insurance. He owns his own business.

I was speaking about " Truth" a member of this site which had a wife in great need of help. It was they how were turned away until APAX sent him some links to take his wife.

In Canada and in UK, no one is ever turned away like that.
( unless things have changed there Rita @Butterfly ? )

 

[CoreIssue]

Ok, thanks for the list, slightly worried as the USA isn't on the list !
Didn't you say earlier that over all it was the best, so why isn't it at the top !!
Luxembourg is in Europe - it's top, you were quite critical of European health care in earlier posts......so something is not adding up !
Granted the UK is quite low on the list, but I do know Europe has a better system.
Rita

Go Back and look again, the UK was one place higher than the US on this list.

And on other lists six countries in South America outranked the rest of the world.

It depends on who's doing the ranking. Some of those organizations are definitely not friendly to the US.

 

[Butterfly]

Hi Helen,
The health service is stretched, and sometimes there are bed issues - but I am not aware people are turned away.xx

 

[Pearl]

So what did you think of the song?

I didn't understand it.