“Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.” (Job 2:1) (NASB95)
““Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? “On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4–7) (NASB95)
GINOLJC, to all.
dave you're stuck on Job 38, which is a metaphor. neither angels nor humans was "NO WHERE", when God laid the foundation of the heaven and the earth. I have already pointed this out to you, and has disproven your belife on this subject. God is called the
"Father" of Lights also, see James 1:17. and Father is used here as CREATOR of the actual stars (morning stars), and the sons of God, (the sun and the moon). you can either go to the blue letter bible online or use Thayer's Greek Definitions
- Original: πατήρ
- Transliteration: Pater
- Phonetic: pat-ayr'
- Definition:
1. generator or male ancestor
a. either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
b. a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
1. fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation
c. one advanced in years, a senior
2. metaph.
a. the originator and transmitter of anything
1. the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself
2. one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
b. one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way
c. a title of honour
1. teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received
2. the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others
3. God is called the Father
a. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
b. of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
1. of spiritual beings and of all men
c. of Christians, as those who through Christ have been exalted to a specially close and intimate relationship with God, and who no longer dread him as a stern judge of sinners, but revere him as their reconciled and loving Father
d. the Father of Jesus Christ, as one whom God has united to himself in the closest bond of love and intimacy, made acquainted with his purposes, appointed to explain and carry out among men the plan of salvation, and made to share also in his own divine nature
1. by Jesus Christ himself
2. by the apostles
- Origin: apparently a root word
- TDNT entry: 20:45,8
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine
and the metaphor of shouting for joy and singing, scripture,
Ps 65:13 The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn;
they shout for joy, they also sing. or
Ps 148:3
Praise ye him,
sun and moon: praise him, all ye
stars of light.
Ps 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Ps 148:5 Let them
praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded,
and they were created.
here in verse 3 of Ps we have the "Sun and the Moon", in Job 38, the sons of God. the the "Stars of Light", in Job 38 the Morning Stars.
how do they praise the LORD JESUS?, by shining their Lights. for "praise", according to Bridgeway Bible Dictionary, One characteristic of the life of God’s people is that they constantly praise him. Praise is an expression of homage, adoration and thanksgiving to God either in prayer or in
song, and may be accompanied by various expressions of joy
the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
Praise: H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal') v.
1. (originally) to be openly clear, lacking subtlety
(originally of sound). sound is to sing.
2. (typically) to be radiantly clear and obvious (usually of bold brilliant color).
3. (by implication)
to clearly shine, to be splendid (as radiant).
4. (of acclamation) to splendidly praise.
5. (hence) to splendidly boast (i.e. to make a clear show).
6. (thus) to be (clamorously) foolish.
7. to rave.
8. (causatively) to celebrate.
9. (also) to stultify, make one appear foolish.
[a primitive root]
KJV: (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool(- ish, -ly), glory,
give (light), be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, (sing, be worthy of) praise, rage, renowned,
shine.
the Satars in heaven praise God, the LORD JESUS by giving (Light)/shining their LIGHT in radiant or brilliant colors, singing.
can't get any plainer. Job 38 is all metaphor
