Ronald Nolette
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I don't for a single moment believe that Greek grammar has the same rules as English grammar! You think there is a universal grammatical blueprint somewhere?
Well rules fro translating from one to the other are different, but basic rules of grammar are universal.
I don't claim to be a Greek scholar, but you indicate little knowledge of the language.
True, I only took one year of Greek in Bible College, but I do know how to use all the grammar tools available.
We don't share that opinion. And you've provided no real evidence that it's true.
I did but you don't share that opinion.
The 2 or 3 questions asked the same things. They were the author's preferred way of representing the gist of what Jesus actually said. If I say, someone shouted "fire," they may have actually shouted "the barn's on fire," but it is still accurate to say that someone shouted "fire."
No! they asked three separate questions that were all different.
1. when will the temple be destroyed
2. What is the sign of the end of the age
3. what is the sign of your retrurn.
Jesus referred to 2 events--not just 1 event. He was speaking primarily of the fall of the temple. But he was asked how this relates to the coming Kingdom of God to Israel. They wanted to know when these things would take place. Jesus said eschatological truths were not something to be predicted, time wise--this is up to the Father to determine times and seasons. It is our job to deal with today.
But the time of the fall of the temple was critical to Jesus' disciples, and they were told to expect judgment upon Israel in their own time and generation. To know this they could escape judgment that was meant for unbelievers, but not for them. It did not mean they could escape persecution and other various tribulations. It just meant that they could escape this particular judgment. We see that same promise given to the church at Philadelphia in the book of Revelation.
Wrong again ! Jesus specifically spoke of three events.
1.Luke focused on the judgment of Israel and the destruction of the temple.
2. Matthew focuses on the commencing of teh end times, events in the end time and
3. His physical return.
We do know what signs the unbelievers in Israel were looking for. But they were not given what they wanted. They wanted signs just like many Futurist Christians today want. But they were told simply to live righteous lives, to repent from any sins, and they will be prepared for Christ's Kingdom regardless.
In Acts the apostles were told they are not to be concerned with times and seasons. I'll leave it at that.
No they just wanted to know if ISrael was to get the kingdom at that point! Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all wrote under the INspiration of the Holy Spirit about things to look for so we could know the times and seasons. How one responds to them is a different matter altogether. But I am a futurist Christian, teach on end times regularly in classes and home studies and while telling people about prophecies to look for, I also tell them to live lives worthy of their calling! Jesus never taught an either/or but a both /and understanding and living.
Ladd is a very distinguished NT theologian, and an expert in biblical eschatology, though he is now deceased. He is one of the foremost proponents of the Postrib, Premil position. Whether you agree with him or not, he was very fair in representing the various positions others held. I personally think it is non-controversial to recognize use of the prolepsis in the book of Revelation or in biblical prophecy, particularly in apocalyptic literature.
Well whether or not He is an expert on post trib, premil psoition, I leave that to you. And as I don't know how he represented a pre-trib position, and having taught it in bible College, bible Institutes and church studies, I think I could see if He did a fair job or not.
But I asked how did He know that a semi literate fisherman from galilee who didn't even have (if he was typical of his culture) a firm grasp of his own native language, found the ability to speak in all these subtleties of Greek. I don't see in Revelation any rhetorical questions asked.
Remember proplepsis is this:
pro·lep·sis
/prōˈlepsəs/
noun
RHETORIC
- 1.
the anticipation and answering of possible objections in rhetorical speech.
- 2.
the representation of a thing as existing before it actually does or did so, as in he was a dead man when he entered.
2 Well teh whole book of revelation is proiphetic and being written before it happens.