God will sort out the dead according to their kind. Kind of like sorting out a catch of fish on shore....as per the parable of the kingdom.
Apokatastasis in the Bible
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I would posit that God has given us a conscience to know right from wrong.
Does God operate under a different standard of morality than he has given to us?
We are not allowed hate our enemies or to be unforgiving, but God is free to do these things?
Who could trust a God like that? If it's true, we will all end in hell eventually.
Or pushed aside into outer darkness with no hope of escape. Feel the love.
You would seriously ask me that? Okay. Better buckle up. (grr...) - LOL
Do you believe in the broad and narrow ways? (and few find it) ???
Eternally Grateful
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Okay. Does that answer your own question about the Egyptian army and Christian Universalism?
Great, thanks. Here's what you wrote originally.
So, you believe that God is playing a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek with our souls?
"Few there be that find it." That God would make sport of our eternal destiny by obscuring life from us?
Thus sealing the fate of the MANY in favor of the FEW that win his cruel game? For those who solve the puzzle.
"Oh, too bad. You were so close. Better luck next time. Oh wait, there won't be a next time. Ha, ha, ha..." (sinister laugh)
Eternally Grateful
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I think that the person you quoted was a fatalist who thinks God pretty much forced him to say yes. I disagree with him. Which is why I asked you if you believed as he does
Hide and seek? God makes himself known in his creation. He is not hiding, he is there for all to see. Remember, John said they do not come to the light lest it expose their sin.
They willingly hid God in their hearts. it is not hidden.
God does not obscure it from us
Few find it, because few want it.. or want to do it Gods way
Look at Epi here. He is trying to find God by his own righteousness.. He thinks he can earn righteousness and salvation. He is trying to do it the hard way.
Now God has not hid the truth from him, His pride keeps him from seeing the truth.
Nope.
Again, God died for all.. You can;t blame God
Its like saying there are a billion people who are on death row. and God paid the penalty to have them all released. But only a million receive his free gift. the rest chose to reject his offer.
When they suffer their penalty. you can;t say God sealed their fate. they sealed their own fate by rejecting his gift which was freely offered to them.
Yes, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God is also the author of life. Both temporal and eternal. We live a temporal life in order to ascertain whether we are suited or allow ourselves to be suited...for an everlasting life.
Again, God is far more merciful than we are. That doesn't mean He tolerates injustices forever. Even the angels rebelled, because of free will. So then evil must be judged for truth, equity, peace and love to reign. We have a choice to get with the program...but many will NEVER listen. So then these entities that freely choose evil need to be judged and eliminated for the common good.
Really? No one repents? What about the Ninevites?
Be careful of going too far one way or the other. Would you grant a rapist to live among the defenseless forever??? Where is the justice for the victims in your overall plan?
The outer darkness is for the hypocrites among God's people...believers. They serve as vessels of dishonour to contrast those who honoured God and obeyed the truth.
Otherwise there is nothing but lies in the end. There must be a reckoning for a righteous God.
We are given time to act...otherwise we will perish with either the wicked or the liars.
Eternally Grateful
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And here we go. Phariseeism at its finest. This almost sounds like a momon belief. that we are put here to see if we can be good enough to earn eternal life.
Thats not how things work.
CadyandZoe
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Yes. The moral logic of a creator is different than the moral logic of a creature. God, in essence, has the "right of authorship"
According to UR (Universal Redemption) that would NEVER happen.
No one will enter the kingdom until they are corrected and restored.
You would be okay with a corrected and restored FORMER rapist, correct?
I suppose the thing that bothers me most about the view you have presented is all the loose ends it leaves.
That would be someone's loved one out there in the hopelessness of outer darkness.
How could they live with that forever? Distracted by entertainment? (sigh) smh
Sure. IF that person can be reformed and corrected. God is MORE merciful than I am. The bible records how the wicked will never repent....or be reformed or corrected.
How do so many modern believers resist the gospel of walking in the light? How many prefer the darkness?
Should we give that a closer look?
I find all sorts of conflicting messages in the Bible.
All three doctrines of the final judgement are both biblical and in conflict.
Damnationism conflicts with Annihilationism and both conflict with Universalism.
It's a struggle for most, I would say. Me included.
Many are in church as fire insurance, hoping to "escape wrath".
Jesus had this to say to the folks that thought "church" was enough.
Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes
are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
That's because they each concern a different category of person.
Annihilation for the wicked. Damnation for the filthy. Salvation for the righteous. Glory for the saints.
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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I am sure he would let King David into heaven
he is to focused on how good a person is. not how much of a guilty sinner he is.
(I bet he will say David did not rape anyone. although as king no one could turn him down on fear of death.
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