Are Beliefs and Faith the Same?

[Miss Hepburn]

It took me a year to understand the difference between faith and belief.

Here is my example: One can have the faith can move mountains. I mean, they
love God, know that God can do a-n-ything, they know God loves them and can
heal them...it's even beyond faith.
BUT, if they're core belief is, even subconscious belief (unaware)..that they are "notworthy...
they do not deserve to be healed...they deserve this cancer...they were bad...God
is punishing them".
Guess what? They will not be healed because of their beliefs....though they have faith that
God can heal and does heal....(others, not them).

Was their faith really doubt, so they were double-minded? No, their faith was
like a rock!
It was their belief that was 'it'.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Re Thomas, a side note of mine...
Remember Jesus said those that have not seen and yet have faith are blessed.
Yes, indeed, of course.
BUT, there is nothing wrong with actually seeing something for yourself. Ha!

In fact, I ask people to please see things for themselves, don't believe anything, blindly.
You can, of course, that's fine, not trying to start an argument...but see things for yourself.

Feeeeel God's love yourself, for example...otherwise you just have faith and some belief in
some else's words that did know His love....
'Know' God's love personally...and if you don't ...Be still...until you do.
Again, my .02.

 

[bbyrd009]

It took me a year to understand the difference between faith and belief.

Here is my example: One can have the faith can move mountains. I mean, they
love God, know that God can do a-n-ything, they know God loves them and can
heal them...it's even beyond faith.
BUT, if they're core belief is, even subconscious belief (unaware)..that they are "notworthy...
they do not deserve to be healed...they deserve this cancer...they were bad...God
is punishing them".
Guess what? They will not be healed because of their beliefs....though they have faith that
God can heal and does heal....(others, not them).

Was their faith really doubt, so they were double-minded? No, their faith was
like a rock!
It was their belief that was 'it'.

wow, ty

 

[BreadOfLife]

You already know that those verses mean something different to me than they do to you. I believe that the Spirit of truth will guide anyone who is paying attention and is obedient into all truth. You believe that those words were meant for the Church as do I. What the Church is exactly is where we part company.

Not if you understand Scripture in it's proper context.

When Jesus instructed the crowds - He was instruction every individual.
When Jesus instructed his inner circle - He was instructing the LEADERS of His Church.

There is a reason why only the Apostles were at the Last Supper and received these instructions.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP Subject,
"Are Beliefs and Faith the Same?". NO, belief set the goal, and faith accomplish it. best describe in an example. if a man was sitting in front of food, he believes that the food will fill his hunger, but if he never lift a hand in bringing the food to his mouth his hunger will never quench. he could believe all day that the food will fill him, until he do something about the hunger it will always be in the belief stage.

that's my 2 cent worth.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

I see the food scenario differently...
Sounds to me action would fill his tummy.
(Even if he was full of doubt).
So seeing for himself after taking action would eliminate a need for faith or belief...all he needed to lift the fork was curiousity and wonderment.
From my viewpoint.

 

[101G]

I see the food scenario differently...
Sounds to me action would fill his tummy.
(Even if he was full of doubt).
So seeing for himself after taking action would eliminate a need for faith or belief...all he needed to lift the fork was curiousity and wonderment.
From my viewpoint.

they work hand in hand.
action is worthless if he didn't believe the food would fill him.

 

[amadeus]

Not if you understand Scripture in it's proper context.

When Jesus instructed the crowds - He was instruction every individual.
When Jesus instructed his inner circle - He was instructing the LEADERS of His Church.

There is a reason why only the Apostles were at the Last Supper and received these instructions.

Well we have both had our say on this and now we can leave it in the hands of God who does know all of the correct answers. If we follow Him in sincerity neither one of us will go wrong.

 

[Armadillo]

We can say we have to have faith or we can say we have to have belief and mean exactly the same thing... or we can say there is a difference as you explained, but what does God really say?

A belief is our own but faith is a gift of God. We can believe in Jesus but do we have the faith of Jesus? Does our faith meet His faith? Even the demons believe and tremble.

Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Justified by the faith of Jesus Christ and we place our faith in Jesus Christ and without the faithfulness of Jesus, faith is meaningless.

Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[amadeus]

A belief is our own but faith is a gift of God. We can believe in Jesus but do we have the faith of Jesus? Does our faith meet His faith? Even the demons believe and tremble.

Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Justified by the faith of Jesus Christ and we place our faith in Jesus Christ and without the faithfulness of Jesus, faith is meaningless.

Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I understand your definitions and the verses you quoted. My point is that communication often fails because people use the words the way they do without making sure the other guy understands what you are saying.

 

[bbyrd009]

I understand your definitions and the verses you quoted. My point is that communication often fails because people use the words the way they do without making sure the other guy understands what you are saying.

"speaking in tongues"

 

[101G]

A belief is our own but faith is a gift of God. We can believe in Jesus but do we have the faith of Jesus? Does our faith meet His faith? Even the demons believe and tremble.

Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith". and faith must be built on, supportive scripture, 2 Peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge". and the rest are listed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well we have both had our say on this and now we can leave it in the hands of God who does know all of the correct answers. If we follow Him in sincerity neither one of us will go wrong.

That's yet another one of your relativist responses. There is only ONE truth and we can't both be correct.
And you can't follow God "sincerely" if you don't know Him.

 

[ScottA]

There is indeed a difference between belief and faith.

With belief, the matter is possibly finished. Whether or not you need to wait to see the outcome, you are convinced and committed, and if it aligns with God's truth, it is finished.

With faith, the matter is not finished with you, even if it is with God.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

they work hand in hand.
action is worthless if he didn't believe the food would fill him.

Oh...and that was my point...action was not worthless....he didn't have to 'believe or have any
faith' at all!
He could be just filled with simple childlike curiosity...food smelled good he
was hungry ..."Let's try this..."

We probably agree on faith and belief...just not this particular example, is all, my new friend.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

A belief is our own, but faith is a gift of God.
We can believe in Jesus, but do we have the faith of Jesus?
Does our faith meet His faith?
Even the demons believe and tremble.

That was very astute.

 

[Richard_oti]

they work hand in hand.
action is worthless if he didn't believe the food would fill him.

Well said.

Likewise also, "belief" is worthless if not accompanied by "action". Thus, to say we "believe", if we do not combine that with the "action" of doing that which "God" has asked / instructed of His people. Is it truly "belief". For if we do not combine the "action" with our "belief", it is not really "belief", but "unbelief" in that we did not "act" upon it. Or rather, we did not believe enough to "act", thus, faithless / unbelieving.

Luk 18:8b ... Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Likewise also, "belief" is worthless if not accompanied by "action".
Thus, to say we "believe", if we do not combine that with the "action" of doing that which "God" has asked / instructed of His people.
Is it truly "belief".
For if we do not combine the "action" with our "belief", it is not really "belief", but "unbelief" in that we did not "act" upon it.
Or rather, we did not believe enough to "act", thus, faithless / unbelieving.

Exactly. And this is why I am a healer... (an easy way to say the Holy Spirit does
all the work and I just basically stand there...hahahaha)...and I believe every
single Christian 'should' be...I don't usually use 'should sentences'.
Ya gotta put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.
Lemme tell ya...putting yourself in front of people when they ask for healing prayer...
is action based on faith and belief and banishing any form of ego (doubt, fear,shyness).

 

[bbyrd009]

There is indeed a difference between belief and faith.

With belief, the matter is possibly finished. Whether or not you need to wait to see the outcome, you are convinced and committed, and if it aligns with God's truth, it is finished.

With faith, the matter is not finished with you, even if it is with God.

ah ty, i knew i started this thread for a reason. This post is why i guess. i would minus 'possibly' there tho, prolly more like 'prolly.'

 

[bbyrd009]

Likewise also, "belief" is worthless if not accompanied by "action".

imo belief hinders faith; or at least usually