Are Protestants "saved? "

[Taken]

Don't just say it. Do it.

Had enough of your obtuse behavior.

 

[Yehren]

Had enough of your obtuse behavior.

Acutely annoyed? Just trust God, love him and your fellow man. That's all you need to do.

And don't take yourself too seriously. I'm a miserable sinner, who can only dimly comprehend the goodness and majesty of the Lord Who died for me.

There's revelation and salvation at the back of the Church, too.

 

[Marymog]

I didn't ask you about the context, I can read that for myself. You have been advocating that your specific denomination, the Catholic Church, is the pillar and ground of truth, believing it to be the only church that belongs to God. You use that scripture as the basis for that contention. So I asked you to look at the verse again, and perhaps, if you can, see how the language does not specifically point to the church as the foundation of truth, but God Himself. Read it again... Carefully.

You don’t like context because it destroys Protestant beliefs.

So I ask AGAIN: What house are they in brakelite?

Timothy is a pastoral letter from Paul to Timothy. IN CONTEXt the passage is telling him that he hopes to be back shortly (VS14) He says since I am being delayed I am writing you so that you may know how you should behave in the house of God. Paul is telling them they are IN the house of God. Soooooo CONTEXT matters.

So I ask you again Brakelite: What house are they in?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Let's see what God says...

Matthew 25:31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. ... [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: ... [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. ... [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. ... [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

... [36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. ... [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? ... [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? ... [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? ... [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

This, Jesus says, is how He will decide who goes to eternity with him, and who does not.

It’s the gospel, how one gets to heaven. Nothing about getting the Gospel right, other than the two great commandments.

I would not test this if I was you. I think He meant it.

thats a descriptive passage, not a prescriptive passage

Many people will have done that and never see God, except to plead their case all the works they did in Jesus name, Only to be told depart for he never knew them.

I believe that too. Gods people do those things, But lost people do them also.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hi Taken,

"The Church" is the household of God according to 1 Timothy 3:15 ALSO called the church of the Lord according to Acts 20:28 which is basically the same thing. The Church was built on a rock (Matthew 16:18) and if we refuse to listen to The Church we are to be treated as a Gentile and a tax collector (Matthew 18:17). You and I are members of The Church but we are not The Church because you and I are not the rock that Jesus spoke of. You and I don't have the authority to decide who is a gentile or tax collector. SOOOO....I ask you Taken: Which Church has the authority to decide who is to be treated as a gentile or tax collector?

1 Timothy 3:15 says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Do you not believe it says that?

Bible study and Curious Mary

what basis and foundation do we have that we can KNOW which church is the true foundation?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter was not Jesus. When Jesus calls him "Peter" (his given name was Simon), He was calling him "the rock." And on that rock, He said, He would build his Church.

wrong

He called him peter (stone)

And stated on this boulder I will build my church

The church is built on Christ, it is built on the knowledge that Christ is the son of the living God.

If you want a church built on a sinner, You can have it,

I belong to the church built on God and truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said that Simon was the rock He would build His Church upon. Do you believe Him or not?

no he did not

He said he would build the churhc on the cornerstone of foundation stone, or the work, which was christ

Peter was one of the foundation stones, equal with all the other apostles

Jesus was the cornerstone

You build a building on a cornerstone not a foundation stone.

Eph 2: 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,

Its built on Christ not Peter.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You've been here before. I know your language. How many times have you been banned now?

that happens here too huh?

How they think they can get away with it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Greek word translated "Peter" is petros, meaning "pebble" or "small stone," while the word rendered "rock" is petra, meaning "big rock" or "huge boulder." Christ says He would build His church on the boulder, not on Peter the pebble. Christ is the rock (1 Corinthians 10:4) and is also the chief cornerstone, upon which the church is built and the apostles (plural) and the prophets form the foundation of the church. (Ephesians 2:20) Jesus did not say He would build His church on Peter, but on Himself, and because of that, the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

amen.

Peter was not the power that enabled the church to enter the gates of hell and rescue people out from her and bring them to Christ.

It is Christ.

Some of the things the roman church has put in peoples minds is just out there..Its sad how we can be indoctrinated to believe things, And its not just them, I think almost every denomination has a doctrine which is just out there. Yet we blindly follow them because its what we have been told

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don’t like context because it destroys Protestant beliefs.

So I ask AGAIN: What house are they in brakelite?

Timothy is a pastoral letter from Paul to Timothy. IN CONTEXt the passage is telling him that he hopes to be back shortly (VS14) He says since I am being delayed I am writing you so that you may know how you should behave in the house of God. Paul is telling them they are IN the house of God. Soooooo CONTEXT matters.

So I ask you again Brakelite: What house are they in?

Timothy was not in a house. Paul was talking about the body.

Remembering in the NT, escpecially in the early days, the church members met in homes.

The house of God is anyplace 2 or 3 people meet in the name of Jesus, as he said, there he is also.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But, but, but... you are Preaching Christ's Church was built upon Peter. Yes?

Glory to God,
Taken

amen

if it was built on peter. it would be Peter's church

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course He got it right. But do you?

he is stuck on a verse. misinterpreted. And ignores the rest of scripture which has been given to him showing who the true rock is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

True. It's about your revision of what He meant.

no

Its about what was written, and what the rest of scripture says, is what he meant.

he did not say, Your name is peter. and on this peter I build my church.

because it is not what he was insinuating.

He said your name is now peter. and on this ROCK I will build my church.

The rock is not peter. If it was. Then the church, built on a sinner and fallible human, Not on Christ himself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who is the Rock of Christ's Church...?
I say Christ....

And you say Peter.

I'll take my chances with what I believe. :)

amen and amen

 

[Yehren]

he did not say, Your name is peter. and on this peter I build my church.

because it is not what he was insinuating.

He said your name is now peter. and on this ROCK I will build my church.

"Peter" means rock. Just another word for the same thing. You know this. There's really no way to parse one's self out of the fact that Jesus told Peter that he would build his church on him. And he elaborates:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

The rock is not peter. If it was. Then the church, built on a sinner and fallible human, Not on Christ himself.

The Church is God's people on Earth. It's not God. He built His Church on a rock that he raised to be His vicar, telling him that he would give him the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

No point in denying the facts.

 

[Yehren]

You build a building on a cornerstone not a foundation stone.

No, that's not what Jesus meant. He wasn't talking about the cornerstone:

Matthew 7:24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, that's not what Jesus meant. He wasn't talking about the cornerstone:

Matthew 7:24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof.

Yep

So according to you. That rock was Peter.

Yeah, No thanks.. Peter built his house on Christ. and God built his church on Christ. the true cornerstone..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"Peter" means rock. Just another word for the same thing. You know this. There's really no way to parse one's self out of the fact that Jesus told Peter that he would build his church on him. And he elaborates:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.



The Church is God's people on Earth. It's not God. He built His Church on a rock that he raised to be His vicar, telling him that he would give him the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

No point in denying the facts.

Your the one denying the fact my friend

Mathew wrote the words, In the greek, 2 different words were used. These words have different meanings.

You claim it was both the same word.

even the enlgish text you use does not use the same word.

again, He did not say I call you peter and on YOU I build this church

He did not say you are now peter. and on peter I build this church

Your denying the fact my friend.

Again, You want a church built on a flawed human, You can have it

My church is built on Christ the son of the living God, and is rooted in the cross.

 

[Yehren]

Your the one denying the fact my friend

Nope. You're still having trouble accepting Jesus' words.

Mathew wrote the words, In the greek, 2 different words were used. These words have different meanings.

You claim it was both the same word.

Nope. I'm pointing out that Jesus made a play on the words, and then gave some details. If someone says "you're granite, and on that rock, I'm going to build my..." everyone knows what it means, unless they have an agenda to deny the plain meaning.

You're denying the fact.

Look again...

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Again, You want a church built on a flawed human,

His Church is made of flawed humans. He merely chose to set Peter at the head of it, giving him the keys to the kingdom. This is His Church.

You can have it

I do. You could have it too, if you'd let it be His way.

 

[Taken]

Acutely annoyed? Just trust God, love him and your fellow man. That's all you need to do.

No wonder you are miserable...apparently doing what you teach.

Believe...
John 14:
[1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Reasonable Service...
Rom 12
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

KINDS of CREATED things.
After their KIND.
Gen 1,2. 6,7

And don't take yourself too seriously.

I never said or implied it was about me. I was expressly talking about What God taught it is About.

I'm a miserable sinner, who can only dimly comprehend the goodness and majesty of the Lord Who died for me.

I am not you.

Glory to God,
Taken