I agree that He is the creater, He has created adopted childen of God also. I agree with the other things that are said about Him. However that does not mean that He can't make adopted children of God that are co-heirs with Him. A fact that is stated in the scriptures.
Are you a subject to a King?
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I agree that He is the creater, He has created adopted childen of God also. I agree with the other things that are said about Him. However that does not mean that He can't make adopted children of God that are co-heirs with Him. A fact that is stated in the scriptures.
I never said we aren't co-heirs with him. Heirs of What?! Not kingship or lordship!
We are His children, not His subjects.
I search the un-searchable riches that God has given us "in Christ. I am a child of God, made so by God and I will proclaim it.
The OP's purpose for this thread asking a question of being "subject to a King" is now clear. Some people have a problem with authority over them like a King. God's enemies hate... the idea of God as our King (means Christ too). So that's another one the false doctrines by the children of darkness pushed in some Church organizations today. Could be Richard has been subjected to that, yet another false doctrine.
Rebellion against authority, that's all this thread is really about.
Gen 49:10
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
(KJV)
That's a prophecy that God is going to continue to have a king over His people until Christ Jesus returns.
In Gen 49 and in the scripture you show, His people are Jews (Judah). Not those under the gospel of Grace for this age. You just refuse to see that the gospel of grace given to Paul for us today """was hidden in God and revealed to Paul by Jesus".
Could it be that veteran has been subjected to a false doctrine developed by those who built their church on the wrong apostle?
The above prophecy is about the nation of Israel and it states that Israel will have a king over them. But that kingdom was rejected and has been put on hold until the "time of the Gentiles" has ended. (with the raptures of the children of God).
What about Jesus, Lord of lords. Is that just over the Israelites as well?! I think I could kill myself laughing if you said so! Paul was writing to Timothy, both of whom ministered to Gentiles! Not only that, Paul (who you obviously hold in high regard) said that Jesus was the KING of kings and the LORD of lords!
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What about Jesus, Lord of lords. Is that just over the Israelites as well?! I think I could kill myself laughing if you said so! Paul was writing to Timothy, both of whom ministered to Gentiles! Not only that, Paul (who you obviously hold in high regard) said that Jesus was the KING of kings and the LORD of lords!
If you were king over a nation and had a family with children, would you really be a king over your children or would you be a father to your children. If you were a king and one of your children disobeyed you would you have them put in jail, I think not because they are not your subjects; they are your child. Laugh all you want to it doesn't change the fact that those "in Christ" have a Father over them.
All people are doing, with their cute remarks is winning, for me, crowns in heaven because I am stating what the scriptures teach and they are doing what the Pharisees did to Jesus and Stephen. They, the Pharisees, mocked Jesus, Stephen and many others because they actually believed God. And no I am not saying I am equal to Jesus which I am sure you will claim. Jesus is the head of the body and I am a part of that body. The head can not function without the body nor the body without the head. Don't you know that the children of God will judge Angels?
And notice that I have not made any cute remarks at anyone because I believe I am more muture than many on this forum.
Well, Mr Maturity, if a king had children, he would STILL be King over his children. The only difference is, he would ALSO be a Father!
Prentis
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Just my two pennies here...
Firstly, I would say we need to attain Christ. That's right; I'm saying it's not by just believing (atleast not in the sense we too often mean it). We need to have faith, and be faithfull in the faith, that we wouldnt stop. We must continue to the saving of the soul. Now before someone says 'That's not in the Bible!'
Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may apprehend that for which also I was apprehended by Christ Jesus. (Phillipians 3:12)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:39)
Yes! We have to believe to the saving of the soul!
Secondly, you might look at scripture and declare yourself to be a king, whether that be or not we will see at the end. But if one does consider himself a king, he should also consider this; there is a King of kings. He is a King over all other kings. And to Him then all are servants. If a servant is unfaithfull, even though he is a king over some, God is no respecter of persons, and will punish him for what he does.
We are all accountable. There is no 'easy grace' and free passes.
Firstly, I would say we need to attain Christ. That's right; I'm saying it's not by just believing (atleast not in the sense we too often mean it). We need to have faith, and be faithfull in the faith, that we wouldnt stop. We must continue to the saving of the soul. Now before someone says 'That's not in the Bible!'
Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may apprehend that for which also I was apprehended by Christ Jesus. (Phillipians 3:12)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:39)
Yes! We have to believe to the saving of the soul!
Secondly, you might look at scripture and declare yourself to be a king, whether that be or not we will see at the end. But if one does consider himself a king, he should also consider this; there is a King of kings. He is a King over all other kings. And to Him then all are servants. If a servant is unfaithfull, even though he is a king over some, God is no respecter of persons, and will punish him for what he does.
We are all accountable. There is no 'easy grace' and free passes.
Just my two pennies here...
Firstly, I would say we need to attain Christ. That's right; I'm saying it's not by just believing (atleast not in the sense we too often mean it). We need to have faith, and be faithfull in the faith, that we wouldnt stop. We must continue to the saving of the soul. Now before someone says 'That's not in the Bible!'
Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may apprehend that for which also I was apprehended by Christ Jesus. (Phillipians 3:12)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:39)
Yes! We have to believe to the saving of the soul!
Secondly, you might look at scripture and declare yourself to be a king, whether that be or not we will see at the end. But if one does consider himself a king, he should also consider this; there is a King of kings. He is a King over all other kings. And to Him then all are servants. If a servant is unfaithfull, even though he is a king over some, God is no respecter of persons, and will punish him for what he does.
We are all accountable. There is no 'easy grace' and free passes.
I don't think anyone has called themselves a king. -- It is that some have SAID that someone has called himself a king.
I stand by what I posted. The scriptures tell the children of God that they are children of God and God is their Father. People can wring their hands that I say this but it it based on the scriptures that they say they believe.
By the way, I like the new layout of the forum.
Prentis
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Ok, maybe I didn't quite understand your point. Sorry for the bother and correct me if I'm wrong again .
Yes, according to the NT, we are God's children. But also according to the scirptures, we are vines on a branch, and we can be cut off.
We can't take one aspect or one parable and build a doctrine on it. We must take everything the Lord says.
.Yes, according to the NT, we are God's children. But also according to the scirptures, we are vines on a branch, and we can be cut off.
We can't take one aspect or one parable and build a doctrine on it. We must take everything the Lord says.
Ok, maybe I didn't quite understand your point. Sorry for the bother and correct me if I'm wrong again
Yes, according to the NT, we are God's children. But also according to the scirptures, we are vines on a branch, and we can be cut off.
We can't take one aspect or one parable and build a doctrine on it. We must take everything the Lord says.
Okay, then what do you do with the scriptures that say those that are born of God can not sin?
1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
NKJV
If your faith is in Jesus' shed blood then you have been born of God. IMHO, If your faith is in yourself and what you do then you have not been born of God.
Prentis
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Here's the problem with what you just said and that verse; do you not know people who's faith is in Christ but who indeed do sin?
It's a mystery and I don't claim to have great understanding of this. But I will answer according to the understanding I have.
When one is born of God, Christ is born in him. Christ in us is greater than the enemy. Christ overcomes us, and then we are dead and He lives in us. That is the new creation in us. We still have an old nature that must be put to death, thus we must take up our cross. If we do so, sin has no power over us. We cannot sin when we are in the Spirit. There is nothing good in man, equally there is no sin in God. If we are in God, and God is in us, no sin can be in us. That is, if we are FILLED with God.
That to me is a great mystery.
It's a mystery and I don't claim to have great understanding of this. But I will answer according to the understanding I have.
When one is born of God, Christ is born in him. Christ in us is greater than the enemy. Christ overcomes us, and then we are dead and He lives in us. That is the new creation in us. We still have an old nature that must be put to death, thus we must take up our cross. If we do so, sin has no power over us. We cannot sin when we are in the Spirit. There is nothing good in man, equally there is no sin in God. If we are in God, and God is in us, no sin can be in us. That is, if we are FILLED with God.
That to me is a great mystery.
Richard, your thinking is totally askew. Why don't you explain some of the verses that have been posted? You can't! Because your doctrine doesn't line up with them! For the sake of correctness, don't just take one Scripture and sit on it! Take the whole Word of God! Only then will you have no contradictions!
Yes we who are of the Body of Christ are under His rule, For He is our King and He must reign until all enemies are put under His feet Then when the last enemy is destroyed which is death then will Jesus deliver up the Kingdom to GOD the Father then shall the SON also Himself be subject unto HIM that put all things under HIM, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.
Like I said before, not wanting to admit Christ's Authority over us with refusing to recognize Him as KING of kings and LORD of lords is what the children of darkness do. Satan's servants HATE the idea of Christ as KING, simply because the very sin Satan first did was coveting God's Throne for himself. That also was the tempting he did against Adam and Eve, for the secret matter behind it is the idea of one wanting to be their own 'god'.
Richard has had ample opportunity to redeem himself from that kind of unrighteous thinking and has refused to do so. If he continues and refuses to repent of it, then he can count on being joined with the "workers of iniquity" that hate Christ.
This matter actually has a history folks!
The Old Testament history of pagan kings that tried to exalt themselves above GOD had this same kind of thinking, and GOD rebuked them for it and destroyed many of them. With Nebuchadnezzar, God caused him to migrate to lowly animal kingdom status, making him live in the wild like a beast. Nebuchadnezzar eventually repented to God though, and the Daniel 4 chapter was written by Nebuchadnezzar showing GOD and His Christ only is the True KING.
A look down the road at European history reveals the attacks of the children of darkness against the kinglines of Europe. They murdered the French king and queen with fomenting the French Revolution. In 1700's Bavaria, Weishaupt's Illuminati order tried to overthrow the European monarchs and the Christian Church, but they were found out and that order banned in Europe. They also murdered Czar Nicholas and Alexandra when Communists took power in 1917 Russia. With stealing of Christian nations in eastern Europe after WWII that had Christian kings and queens on thrones there, they turned those nations to Socialist Communism, causing those royal families to flee in exile. And with the remainder of European monarchs, they slipped their parliamentary systems in to usurp the Divine Right God gave those monarchs to rule over His people.
But I say, GOD BLESS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AND THE EUROPEAN MONARCHS THAT STILL REIGN ON THRONES TODAY! I'm an American citizen and I say that. They are the HOUSE OF DAVID over God's people scattered to the West and in charge as Defenders Of The Faith of Jesus Christ. The children of darkness well know that, and that's why they continually attack them.
Richard has had ample opportunity to redeem himself from that kind of unrighteous thinking and has refused to do so. If he continues and refuses to repent of it, then he can count on being joined with the "workers of iniquity" that hate Christ.
This matter actually has a history folks!
The Old Testament history of pagan kings that tried to exalt themselves above GOD had this same kind of thinking, and GOD rebuked them for it and destroyed many of them. With Nebuchadnezzar, God caused him to migrate to lowly animal kingdom status, making him live in the wild like a beast. Nebuchadnezzar eventually repented to God though, and the Daniel 4 chapter was written by Nebuchadnezzar showing GOD and His Christ only is the True KING.
A look down the road at European history reveals the attacks of the children of darkness against the kinglines of Europe. They murdered the French king and queen with fomenting the French Revolution. In 1700's Bavaria, Weishaupt's Illuminati order tried to overthrow the European monarchs and the Christian Church, but they were found out and that order banned in Europe. They also murdered Czar Nicholas and Alexandra when Communists took power in 1917 Russia. With stealing of Christian nations in eastern Europe after WWII that had Christian kings and queens on thrones there, they turned those nations to Socialist Communism, causing those royal families to flee in exile. And with the remainder of European monarchs, they slipped their parliamentary systems in to usurp the Divine Right God gave those monarchs to rule over His people.
But I say, GOD BLESS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AND THE EUROPEAN MONARCHS THAT STILL REIGN ON THRONES TODAY! I'm an American citizen and I say that. They are the HOUSE OF DAVID over God's people scattered to the West and in charge as Defenders Of The Faith of Jesus Christ. The children of darkness well know that, and that's why they continually attack them.
Prentis
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Christ is King.
Not those people reigning over Europe. These people are not like Christ, they are of this world... I am not judging them. But they are not the Lord's authority. The Lord's authority on this earth is in his son Christ Jesus. His power and life is manifested through those who follow him. They will reign with Christ!
His kingdom is NOT of this world.
Not those people reigning over Europe. These people are not like Christ, they are of this world... I am not judging them. But they are not the Lord's authority. The Lord's authority on this earth is in his son Christ Jesus. His power and life is manifested through those who follow him. They will reign with Christ!
His kingdom is NOT of this world.
