"As A Thief"

[Davy]

On the 6th Vial timing, Lord Jesus is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief"...

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."
KJV

He then warns His Church on earth that those who "watcheth, and keepth his garments", will be blessed. But those who do not will symbolically "walk naked, and they see his shame."

The very next event He shows is that of the battle of Armageddon, the day when He will gather the nations against Jerusalem for battle on the "day of the Lord" (Zechariah 14:1-2).

That also is the day of His coming to gather His Church. That is the day of His cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked (6th Seal, 7th Trumpet also). That is the day of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of this earth (2 Peter 3:10-13).

But just where before this Revelation 16 Scripture did Lord Jesus teach about that idea of His coming "as a thief"?

Here is one place...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

No doubt at all what Jesus' subject is there. It's about His coming to gather His faithful Church. What's funny is how the false Pre-tribulational Rapture school uses this Scripture about their rapture, while at the same time rejecting this Chapter's Matthew 24:29-31 verses being about the rapture of the Church.


43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

That is where Lord Jesus first used the idea of His coming being like a thief breaking into your home.

That specific verse reveals what? Do you see that, "if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come,"? What does that tell us about Christ's command for us to WATCH? Does this mean we are supposed to have some kind of sense of His future return by watching? Yes! Definitely! And He gave us what... to be watching here in His Olivet discourse. He gave this so we would NOT be deceived about the end.

(Yet another thing I have say about the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, they also tell us to WATCH pulling from Jesus' Olivet discourse here, while preaching at the same time that this was not meant for Christ's Church, but for the Jews in Jerusalem. They might ought to read Luke 21:21 again about those of His in the countries.)


44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Be ready, watch. He commanded us. Does that mean just live it up and don't be concerned about the Signs of the end He gave here? No. We are to be watching those Signs of the end so we will know in what 'watch' the thief will try to break in!


45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

Jesus is pointing to the "strong meat" of His Word (see Hebrews 5). His faithful servants are to be giving out that "strong meat" of His Word in "due season". Just what 'season' would He be pointing to here about this "as a thief" idea? The day of His future coming and our gathering to Him. Simple, right?

Likewise, when He does return, and He finds His faithful giving out that "strong meat" in "due season" (i.e., leading up to the end), that servant He will make ruler over all His goods. Those will reign with Him in the world to come that begins at His return.

So for you pre-tribbers, you need to decide whether this Matthew 24 Scripture Jesus gave is for you, or not, because the Pre-tribulational Rapture school has long used this Scripture about the day of Jesus' future coming a whole lot through history of their theory.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Study!!! The rapture (catching up) is at least years before Jesus returns to earth to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

So for you pre-tribbers, you need to decide whether this Matthew 24 Scripture Jesus gave is for you, or not, because the Pre-tribulational Rapture school has long used this Scripture about the day of Jesus' future coming a whole lot through history of their theory.

Confused pre-tribbers may try to fit The Secret (Mystery/Romans-Philemon)
Great GRACE Departure Into God's Context of prophecy/law (Mat 24),
but God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Teaches Otherwise:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

To be continued...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

 

[dismas]

On the 6th Vial timing, Lord Jesus is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief"...

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."
KJV

He then warns His Church on earth that those who "watcheth, and keepth his garments", will be blessed. But those who do not will symbolically "walk naked, and they see his shame."

The very next event He shows is that of the battle of Armageddon, the day when He will gather the nations against Jerusalem for battle on the "day of the Lord" (Zechariah 14:1-2).

That also is the day of His coming to gather His Church. That is the day of His cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked (6th Seal, 7th Trumpet also). That is the day of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of this earth (2 Peter 3:10-13).

But just where before this Revelation 16 Scripture did Lord Jesus teach about that idea of His coming "as a thief"?

Here is one place...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

No doubt at all what Jesus' subject is there. It's about His coming to gather His faithful Church. What's funny is how the false Pre-tribulational Rapture school uses this Scripture about their rapture, while at the same time rejecting this Chapter's Matthew 24:29-31 verses being about the rapture of the Church.


43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

That is where Lord Jesus first used the idea of His coming being like a thief breaking into your home.

That specific verse reveals what? Do you see that, "if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come,"? What does that tell us about Christ's command for us to WATCH? Does this mean we are supposed to have some kind of sense of His future return by watching? Yes! Definitely! And He gave us what... to be watching here in His Olivet discourse. He gave this so we would NOT be deceived about the end.

(Yet another thing I have say about the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, they also tell us to WATCH pulling from Jesus' Olivet discourse here, while preaching at the same time that this was not meant for Christ's Church, but for the Jews in Jerusalem. They might ought to read Luke 21:21 again about those of His in the countries.)


44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Be ready, watch. He commanded us. Does that mean just live it up and don't be concerned about the Signs of the end He gave here? No. We are to be watching those Signs of the end so we will know in what 'watch' the thief will try to break in!


45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

Jesus is pointing to the "strong meat" of His Word (see Hebrews 5). His faithful servants are to be giving out that "strong meat" of His Word in "due season". Just what 'season' would He be pointing to here about this "as a thief" idea? The day of His future coming and our gathering to Him. Simple, right?

Likewise, when He does return, and He finds His faithful giving out that "strong meat" in "due season" (i.e., leading up to the end), that servant He will make ruler over all His goods. Those will reign with Him in the world to come that begins at His return.

So for you pre-tribbers, you need to decide whether this Matthew 24 Scripture Jesus gave is for you, or not, because the Pre-tribulational Rapture school has long used this Scripture about the day of Jesus' future coming a whole lot through history of their theory.

Good observation about the thief reference in the 6th Bowl.

But I would disagree about the 'day' mentioned at the 6th Seal. All Seals, Trumpets, and bowls are sequential. The 6th Seal 'Day of the Lord's wrath' is the false Day of the Lord.

Here is Luke 17

26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

37“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
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If we (correctly) say that the Day of the Lord is at the 7th Trumpet / 7 bowls of wrath, there is an obvious connection between Revelation & the Luke version of the Olivet Discourse: Sodom's destruction & Lot's rescue connects with Jerusalem being called Sodom and the rescue of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11:7-14. Thus, the 'Day of the Lord' at the 7th Trumpet is destroying Jerusalem/ Sodom and rescuing the 2 witnesses (was Lot 'whisked away'? no).

Now let's compare Luke 17 to Matt 24

Matt 24

15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
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In Matt 24, the abomination is described instead of the son of man being revealed. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same. Also, the elect are gathered in Matt 24 and the vultures (the unclean 'birds of heaven') are gathered in the Luke version.

If the 'day of the Lord's wrath' (at the 7th Trumpet) removes the abomination & false prophet, then the abomination has to arrive before the 7th Trumpet, at the 6th Seal's false Day of the Lord.

OR

if the antichrist makes the 7 year covenant at the beginning of the 6th Trumpet, to give us an abomination at the middle of this 7 years at the 7th Trumpet, this false Day of the Lord has to arrive 1st because the Day of the Lord is said to be like the days of Noah (the flood) in Luke 17:26 above

Genesis 6

17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you.​

Either way, there is an abomination / false Day of the Lord at the 6th Seal, day the man of sin is revealed.

Then the Flood occurs. The flood lasted 150 days, the 5th Trumpet lasts for 5 months. At the end of this flood, then the covenant is established and people are protected.

In Revelation, this covenant occurs at the 10th chapter here, with the rainbow being a symbol of this post-flood covenant: 1Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head. His face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire.

Then at the 7th Trumpet, the Day of the Lord removes the abomination set up at the 6th Seal

OR there are 2 abominations: an abomination at the 6th Seal, removed by the antichrist so as to be the false hero, the new flood of the 5th Trumpet, the new covenant at the 6th Trumpet, then the breaking of this post-flood covenant at the 7th Trumpet to usher in the 2nd abomination that is removed by the real Day of the Lord's wrath.

 

[ScottA]

The issue and the confusion of the POST vs. the PRE-TRIB, etc. and saying that "the Master delays His coming" to the distant "future", only exists because of the error and lack of understanding of what Jesus said about His return coming "quickly", and the "things which must shortly take place."

And go figure, in the Original Post, this warning is left out:

But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:48-51
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Indeed, most are completely wrong on this matter.

 

[Davy]

Confused pre-tribbers may try to fit The Secret (Mystery/Romans-Philemon)
Great GRACE Departure Into God's Context of prophecy/law (Mat 24),
but God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Teaches Otherwise:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

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....

What an ABSOLUTE JUMBLED UP MESS! You BUTCHER God's written Word like a savage barbarian.

Chapter by Chapter, precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little and there a little, is HOW God showed to cover and understand His Word (Isaiah 28). You might want to learn how to do that instead of chopping it up like you have. Try keeping to the actual Matthew 24:1-51 verse flow.

 

[Davy]

Good observation about the thief reference in the 6th Bowl.

But I would disagree about the 'day' mentioned at the 6th Seal. All Seals, Trumpets, and bowls are sequential. The 6th Seal 'Day of the Lord's wrath' is the false Day of the Lord.

I don't know where you're getting that "false Day of the Lord" idea, but I'll keep reading. However, there is only ONE "day of the Lord" event, and it is set for the very last day of this world when Jesus returns to gather His faithful Church, and destroy the wicked per the battle of Armageddon on the 7th Vial.

Here is Luke 17

26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

37“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
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You should have highlighted what He said about two in one bed, one taken and the other left, and two women grinding at the mill, one taken and the other left, because that is the "Where, Lord?" question His disciples asked Him about in verse 37.

Here is the parallel answer Jesus gave in Matthew 24...

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

No doubt then, that per Jesus, the 1st one TAKEN is to the devil and his, represented by those fowls that feast on a dead carcase. In that sense, the 'taken' idea means deception to the devil.

If we (correctly) say that the Day of the Lord is at the 7th Trumpet / 7 bowls of wrath, there is an obvious connection between Revelation & the Luke version of the Olivet Discourse:

Are you trying to add the "7 bowls of wrath" onto the 7th Trumpet timing??? That is a huge error!

The 7th Trumpet wrath is the same wrath on the 7th Vial, both happen on the FINAL DAY of this world when Jesus returns to battle with His army. That final day is also called "the day of the Lord". But the Pre-trib Rapture school instead tries to say the "day of the Lord" is the great tribulation time; it is not.

Sodom's destruction & Lot's rescue connects with Jerusalem being called Sodom and the rescue of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11:7-14. Thus, the 'Day of the Lord' at the 7th Trumpet is destroying Jerusalem/ Sodom and rescuing the 2 witnesses (was Lot 'whisked away'? no).

Yeah, I'd agree with that above analogy.

Now let's compare Luke 17 to Matt 24

Matt 24

15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
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Nah... you SKIPPED a lot... of the Matthew 24 Scripture above. The actual "great tribulation" time BEGINS with the setting up of that AOD in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem. And that tribulation continues all the way... to the Matthew 24:29 verse. ON the Matthew 24:29-31 verses is the END of the "great tribulation" with Jesus' 2nd coming.

In Matt 24, the abomination is described instead of the son of man being revealed. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same. Also, the elect are gathered in Matt 24 and the vultures (the unclean 'birds of heaven') are gathered in the Luke version.

That above paragraph shows confusion. The revealing of the "man of sin" is indeed about that pseudo-Christ of Matthew 24:23-26 being proclaimed in Jerusalem. But Christ's elect saints (His faithful Church) are not gathering to Him until the start of the Matthew 24:29-31 verses. Those 29-31 verses are hard-linked together, cannot separate them like you're trying to do.

Now for the dead carcases being gathered wheresoever the fowls are, that happens DURING the "great tribulation". This is why Jesus is warning about that in the Matthew 24:28 verse just PRIOR to the end of the tribulation with His coming.

If the 'day of the Lord's wrath' (at the 7th Trumpet) removes the abomination & false prophet, then the abomination has to arrive before the 7th Trumpet, at the 6th Seal's false Day of the Lord.

OR

if the antichrist makes the 7 year covenant at the beginning of the 6th Trumpet, to give us an abomination at the middle of this 7 years at the 7th Trumpet, this false Day of the Lord has to arrive 1st because the Day of the Lord is said to be like the days of Noah (the flood) in Luke 17:26 above

No such thing as a "false Day of the Lord"; don't know where in the world you're getting that idea from; most likely from men's doctrines.

The start of the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period is... about the "great tribulation" time. We know that because of God's two witnesses given to prophesy in Jerusalem for 1260 days, the latter half of Daniel's symbolic final "one week" of Daniel 9:27. And since the 7th Trumpet reveals The Father and His Christ taking over all the kingdoms of this world, and His rewards handed out to His servants, and the time of His Wrath, we know the 7th Trumpet is about the "day of the Lord" time of His 2nd coming also.

But there is NO "false Day of the Lord" there on the 6th Trumpet, unless you mean the false-Messiah coming to play Jesus on that 6th Trumpet. But still, comparing that timing to the real "day of the Lord" with Jesus' coming still does not fit, because the "day of the Lord" event is SPECIFICALLY ONLY about destruction upon that Wicked one, and his servants with Jesus' future return on the last day of this world.

Genesis 6

17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you.​

Either way, there is an abomination / false Day of the Lord at the 6th Seal, day the man of sin is revealed.

Again, I cannot agree with that "false Day of the Lord" idea you've created. Satan is not going to destroy himself during the "great tribulation". He is coming try and destroy Christ's elect. And the actual "day of the Lord" is about a destruction upon the devil and his only, not us. Thus the "day of the Lord" should NEVER be confused with the "great tribulation" time.

 

[Davy]

As A Thief continued...

To the surprise of many, Apostle Paul also covered the "as a thief" metaphor that Jesus used for the day of His coming to gather His Church.

1 Thess 5:1-10
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

In the previous 1 Thessalonians 4 Chapter Apostle Paul had just covered Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. In this 1 Thessalonians 5 Chapter, Paul is actually continuing the subject of that same day when Jesus comes and gathers His Church.

What's that "times and the seasons" Paul describes there that those brethren already knew? Those are the Signs written in God's Word of events leading up to Christ's future coming. Even in Paul's day they had an inkling of those Signs, and that is actually one of the things Paul is covering in this 1 Thessalonians 5 Chapter.


2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Notice Apostle Paul tied that "as a thief" timing that Jesus taught for His coming with that "day of the Lord" timing. Does that mean the "day of the Lord" happens on the same day of Christ's future coming "as a thief"? Yep! Sure does! This here means the day of Jesus' future return to gather His Church is on the LAST DAY of this world, NOT prior to the "great tribulation" like the false Pre-trib Rapture theory teaches.


3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Not only that, but Paul also reveals that time of "sudden destruction" also occurs upon the wicked on that same day when Jesus comes "as a thief" on the "day of the Lord". That is the time of God's cup of Wrath poured out upon the earth, i.e., the 7th Vial, 7th Trumpet, 6th Seal.

God's Old Testament prophets were given to say much about that destruction by God upon the wicked on that "day of the Lord". This is how we know where Paul was pulling about that future event. The Old Testament also showed the false one coming will use 'peace' to destroy many, and that is why those deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" just prior to that "sudden destruction".


4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Paul then contrasted us, Christ's Church, with those deceived who will be saying that, "Peace and safety" about the "great tribulation" time just prior to the "day of the Lord". They will fall away to the coming false-Messiah, thinking Messiah has come (mainly orthodox Jews along with all the world's religions that are deceived.)

Paul even compares those in darkness as being spiritually drunken in the night. What idea will they be drunken on per Paul here? That false "Peace and safety" idea, that's what. They will be deceived to the false-Messiah and his host. Therefore they will not be spiritually sober, nor spiritually awake.


9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
KJV

That 9th verse is often wrongly taught by the Pre-trib Rapture school to mean the 'wrath' upon those who go through the "great tribulation". So they instead teach that the Church will be raptured prior to that "great tribulation", and that this 'wrath' is for the tribulation time. It is not.

Actually per Paul here, that "wrath" is about the day of "sudden destruction" he taught, which will only happen on the last day when Jesus comes, the "day of the Lord", and it will be that day that will end this present world.

Did you know that Apostle Peter taught about this "as a thief" timing also?

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

Not only is that day when Jesus comes to gather His Church, and also the day of the "sudden destruction" upon the wicked, i.e., God's cup of WRATH upon them, it is also the day when God's consuming fire will literally... end this present world time. That fire will usher all into the start of Christ's future reign upon this earth with His faithful elect. That of course means, Satan's beast kingdom and the tribulation will end on that same day also.

 

[Davy]

Study!!! The rapture (catching up) is at least years before Jesus returns to earth to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth!

That idea is not at all written anywhere in God's Word.

Don't be deceived brethren by those who 'wish' for things instead of heeding what our Heavenly Father and His Son actually said how things will be.

 

[ScottA]

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Matthew 24:3


Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Matthew 24:44​