Attention Everyone

[Rudometkin]

Threads here were moved because they shouldn't have been here to begin with. They were started by Christians.

You're missing my point. How have I been able to make posts in say Cristo Rei's thread entitled "The Experimental Needles Don't Work" when that thread is in the Christian Debate section? The system says I have insufficient privileges to post there. Was the thread moved from general Discussion?

You think I missed your point, but you are asking me something I already answered in my last message.

 

[Lapidem]

Ok, that's even more bizarre and nonsensical in all honesty.

We're saying that a thread, which is about vaccines and not remotely connected to Christianity, has been moved from the General Discussion area (where it surely belongs) purely because the poster who started the thread is identified as Christian in his profile.

And presumably that's been done because the forum admin doesn't want Christians starting threads in the General Discussion area !

Goodness this is extremely silly. Can no-one else see how senseless that is?

Can we not all get on and debate together in a mature way on topics that are not of a specific Christian nature?

What does it matter who actually starts a thread? Surely what's important is what the thread is about?

 

[Rudometkin]

Ok, that's even more bizarre and nonsensical in all honesty.

We're saying that a thread, which is about vaccines and not remotely connected to Christianity, has been moved from the General Discussion area (where it surely belongs) purely because the poster who started the thread is identified as Christian in his profile.

And presumably that's been done because the forum admin doesn't want Christians starting threads in the General Discussion area !

Goodness this is extremely silly. Can no-one else see how senseless that is?

Can we not all get on and debate together in a mature way on topics that are not of a specific Christian nature?

What does it matter who actually starts a thread? Surely what's important is what the thread is about?

What is silly is your agenda to tear down the inner workings of a Christian forum and make it more of a general forum for all. Then, when something is done in favor of non-Christians, the non-Christian attacks it to make it look bad. Classic twist.

Let's look at this from another perspective, since you are in favor of multiple perspectives.

A Christian forum is made for Christians. If you aren't Christian, you are a non-Christian. Staff doesn't need to welcome non-Christians, but perhaps recognizing the benefits of including non-Christians, they do. How nice and thoughtful of staff. They decided to give a small part of the forum to non-Christians, so that they can make their own threads, and staff even works to make sure that Christians don't over flood that part of the forum, so non-Christians can have a voice in 'their' part of the board.

That is where you as a non-Christian stands in this forum.

Where are your debate threads, by the way? I'd like to debate you on topics like Free will and Determinism!

 

[April_Rose]

Can I just add that they're nice enough of to welcome non-Christians to a Christian forum in the first place when they wouldn't even have to do that at all? On an atheist forum you probably wouldn't see the same kind of hospitality.

 

[Josho]

Ok, that's even more bizarre and nonsensical in all honesty.

We're saying that a thread, which is about vaccines and not remotely connected to Christianity, has been moved from the General Discussion area (where it surely belongs) purely because the poster who started the thread is identified as Christian in his profile.

And presumably that's been done because the forum admin doesn't want Christians starting threads in the General Discussion area !

Goodness this is extremely silly. Can no-one else see how senseless that is?

Can we not all get on and debate together in a mature way on topics that are not of a specific Christian nature?

What does it matter who actually starts a thread? Surely what's important is what the thread is about?

Perhaps you may be able to quote a post and start your own thread here?

 

[April_Rose]

Btw,.. to all the staff members here I apologize that you have to move so many threads now. Hopefully since this has all been cleared up we won't have this issue again.

 

[April_Rose]

Perhaps you may be able to quote a post and start your own thread here?

This suggestion has been made more than once to this member but it seems like they would rather just argue and complain about it. :/

 

[Rudometkin]

Perhaps you may be able to quote a post and start your own thread here?

Yeah, like "Over in the Christian forum, they're talking about x and y, but the problem with x is..."

That's quite an idea.

Non-Christians can view all of the forums, right?

 

[Lapidem]

What is silly is your agenda to tear down the inner workings of a Christian forum and make it more of a general forum for all. Then, when something is done in favor of non-Christians, the non-Christian attacks it to make it look bad. Classic twist.

I really don't get your aggressive stance here nor do I think it appropriate to a Christian Forum. I haven't tried to tear down anything.

I'm simply trying to understand why a forum section called "General Discussion" should reside within a "Non-Christian" area of the forum as surely "general discussion" should be open to everyone whether Christian or not. And whilst I see that it IS open to all in theory, the fact that it resides in the Non-Christian part of the website means that Christians may not start threads there.

I suggest that a General Discussion section should neither reside in the Christian part of the forum nor in the Non-Christian section. It's location in the Non-Christian section is what is causing the problems. It causes genuine general discussion threads to be moved into the Christian Debate section just because a Christian happened to start the thread.

A thread should surely be deemed "General Discussion" based on its content and topic, not on who started the thread.

As I said earlier, this isn't difficult and for the life of me I can't understand why Admin is moving genuine General Discussion threads out of that area and into the Christian Debate area.

 

[Mayflower]

I can see how it is frustrating to be allowed in a thread then shut down. I agree with the rules, but for a newbie, I can see how confusing it can be. Hopefully you will find it isnt like that. It is just a smaller site, so the areas are smaller also. I think CF has a larger area if you want more discussion.

Christian Forums

 

[Rudometkin]

for the life of me I can't understand why Admin is moving genuine General Discussion threads out of that area and into the Christian Debate area.

Did you know that "General Discussions" is a subforum of "NonChristian Forums"?

 

[April_Rose]

Did you know that "General Discussions" is a subforum of "NonChristian Forums"?

They know they just don't care. It's been said a hundred times so they have to know by now.

 

[Lapidem]

Did you know that "General Discussions" is a subforum of "NonChristian Forums"?

As per my prev post.

That it is, is what makes the situation bizarre

 

[Rudometkin]

What is silly is your agenda to tear down the inner workings of a Christian forum and make it more of a general forum for all.

I haven't tried to tear down anything.

Then I suppose you must've been accidentally posting these messages the entire time:

Perhaps the greater problem here is that threads are being created which span topics which affect all humans and as such should not really reside in a Christians Only section of the forum.

Any way you cut it it's silly.

The notion is just crazy.

enable my profile to be able to post and respond in the other forum sections.

 

[Lapidem]

Thanks for your inputs. It's really not a difficult issue to understand imo. General Discussion doesn't belong in either a Christian section or a Non-Christian Section. General discussion, by it's very nature is discussion of topics that are not concerned with religious preferences.
I think it's noble to have a non-Christian section on a predominantly Christian forum, well done for that. But General Discussion doesn't belong inside it imo. It should stand outside of Christian and Non-Christian sections altogether.

I'll leave this now as I have escalated to the appropriate level.

ATB

 

[Josho]

Yeah, like "Over in the Christian forum, they're talking about x and y, but the problem with x is..."

That's quite an idea.

Non-Christians can view all of the forums, right?

Yep, I believe they can.

 

[lforrest]

Bottom line is this is a Christian Forum. Here the focus of everything should be godly edification. It was never intended to be a bastion for free speech.

The non Christian section was originally intended as a sort of outreach. Where interactions are monitored, because we don't ask for Christian's credentials and there is a real danger of being poor ambassadors for Christ.

The spirit of Christ living in us priorities the things of the Kingdom. That is where Christians should stand in a debate. Now the difficulty comes in proving it to others. But to prove to satisfy non believers is beyond the scope of a single debate.

 

[Mayflower]

Bottom line is this is a Christian Forum. Here the focus of everything should be godly edification. It was never intended to be a bastion for free speech.

The non Christian section was originally intended as a sort of outreach. Where interactions are monitored, because we don't ask for Christian's credentials and there is a real danger of being poor ambassadors for Christ.

The spirit of Christ living in us priorities the things of the Kingdom. That is where Christians should stand in a debate. Now the difficulty comes in proving it to others. But to prove to satisfy non believers is beyond the scope of a single debate.

I definitely agree with this.

I can also see how it can be frustrating though, to be part of a discussion and then unable to post when it was started by a christian in the nonchristian section and moved.

 

[Lapidem]

Bottom line is this is a Christian Forum. Here the focus of everything should be godly edification. It was never intended to be a bastion for free speech.

The non Christian section was originally intended as a sort of outreach. Where interactions are monitored, because we don't ask for Christian's credentials and there is a real danger of being poor ambassadors for Christ.

The spirit of Christ living in us priorities the things of the Kingdom. That is where Christians should stand in a debate. Now the difficulty comes in proving it to others. But to prove to satisfy non believers is beyond the scope of a single debate.

All of this is understood and not remotely contested. However there are areas of debate which are not about Christianity, not about "godly edification" and so on. Perhaps that's the more fundamental issue ? Threads about the merits of vaccines or specific vaccines like RNA vs others are not about godly edification. Threads about Free Will vs Determinism are irrefutably classic Philosophical discussion. What about any threads about say BrExit?

On any forum people are going to occasionally create threads that are simply "General Discussion". Pretty much every forum I know, regardless of its core focus or specialism, have sections for more General Discussion. It makes sense to have such here. And if so, such a section would not belong in either the Christian Section or the Non-Christian section. It should surely be a neutral area where ALL can openly discuss general issues and topics and where it doesn't matter who starts the threads.

 

[Behold]

Wow, so you are suggesting that unless people are Christians they can't be spiritual? Really?

There is a distinction between being spiritual and being a Christian.
So, unbelievers can absolutely be spiritual, as that is something you can do for yourself.
But for an unbeliever to become a Christian, is not something they can do for themselves.

Being "spiritual" for example, can mean to be "pagan", and that is what you become, by following this sect or cult, and adhering to that religious spirituality.
Whereas Christianity, is God Himself causing you to become something Spiritual, that you can't cause for yourself.

Another way to think of it is this..
Religion is man made.
Christianity is God made.