Baptism: Its Meaning and Significance

[Alanforchrist]

Neither I nor you have proved any such thing. The scriptures clearly say that baptism saves.


As to Peter, he was already was a disciple of Jesus. He was already saved before Jesus died and rose again.

Jesus said to the apostles at the last Supper “You are those who have continued with me in my trials; and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Lk 22:28-30).
Do think he would confer a kingdom on people who were not saved?
Would unsaved people be sitting at his table?
Will unsaved people be sitting on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel?

[2]
What I said was “None of those texts mention anything about being saved. If you are claiming that they were saved then you need to explain why you think that not just give your opinion.” You give nothing to justify using those scriptures as proof of anything.

[3]
1. Paul didn’t receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 9:6-17.


2. The incident with Cornelius is a special case and not a good example to generalise from. Consider the following.

1. Peter was sent to Cornelius as a demonstration to Peter and the Church that they must include the Gentiles in their mission. As James says after Peter recalled the incident in Acts 15 - “Symeon has described how God first concerned himself with acquiring from among the Gentiles a people for his name.” (Acts 15:14). This incident therefore was God’s initiative to begin bringing the gentiles into the Church.

2. This was the second part of God’s fulfilling the prophecy of Joel that Peter quoted at Pentecost.
“‘It will come to pass in the last days,’ God says, ‘that I will pour out a portion of my spirit upon all flesh’”.
For the Jews mankind was divided into two – Jews and Gentiles. At Pentecost God poured out his Spirit on the Jews. Now with Cornelius God is pouring out his Spirit on the Gentiles.

3. The third point to note is that Cornelius is not just any old Gentile. He is a “God-fearer”, a Gentile who was almost converted to Judaism who often attended the synagogue (see Acts 13:16) and kept the Jewish prayer times – as Cornelius was when the Angel visited him.
“Now in Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of the Cohort called the Italica, devout and God-fearing along with his whole household, who used to give alms generously to the Jewish people and pray to God constantly. One afternoon about three o’clock, he saw plainly in a vision an angel of God come in to him” (Acts 10:1-3).

Cornelius was also a righteous man, acceptable to God. The angel said to Cornelius:
““Your prayers and almsgiving have ascended as a memorial offering before God. (Acts 10:3)
“Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your almsgiving remembered before God.” (Acts 10:31)

The whole incident is therefore unique.

Moreover your point is not even supported by this incident.
It says in Acts 11:14 that Peter “will speak words to you [Cornelius] by which you and all your household will be saved”. Those words includes Peter’s command (not suggestion) that they be baptised (Acts 10:48). Peter was still instructing them on what they must do when the Holy Spirit was poured out on them and interrupted Peter’s instructions.

The instructions for baptism are part of Peter’s instructions as to how Cornelius and his household will be saved.


Instead of telling me what Jesus didn’t say, why don’t you focus on what Jesus did say
He who believes and is baptized will be saved
It’s very simple.

Instead of telling me what Peter didn’t say, why don’t you focus on what Peter did say
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you
It’s very simple.


P.S. I'm going away for the weekend. I may not have time for any more replies before I come back.

I take it all that is a joke??. RIGHT??.
[1]I have given scriptures and the Greek meanings to back up what I say, Whereas you have given your own opinions and pure speculations.

[2]The tranlater has mislead us into believe baptism saves, But we have to take the Bible as a whole, Not isolated scriptures.
Peter could not have said baptism saves, Because he knew it doesn't.

[3]Peter was NOT already saved before Jesus died and rose agai, STOP TELLING LIES.

[4]Those scriptures that I gave does prove they were already saved, STOP TELLING LIES.

[5]Paul did receive the baptismin the Holy Ghost, In Acts 9: 17..STOP TELLING LIES.
I can tell your a catholic, They have to tell lies, Becaus e the truth proves them wrong.

[6]The only special thing about the Gentiles in Acts 10, Is they were the first Gentiles into the Kingdom of God, But it doesn't take away the fact that they were saved, Baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, But they weren't baptised in water.
Peter's instructions about water baptism, was NOT how the Gentiles were saved, They was already saved.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH..YOUR NOT DOING VERY WE... ARE YOU?.

[7]Jesus DIDN,T say baptism saves, If you read Mk 16: 16, You'll see He said, He that believeth not shall be danmed, He never said, He that isn't baptised shal be danmed.DID HE??.
The Greek text emphesis is on the believing, Not baptism.

 

[Selene]

The Original Greek emphesis for, "Saved" In Mk 16: 16, Is on the "Believing", Not baptism, And the Bible proves it, As Jesus goes on to say,
"He that believeth not shall be damned", He didn't say, He that isn't baptised shall be damned..DID HE??.. NO..NO.

To understand the Bible, You need to know when it is God tal;king, When it is a Biblical character talking and when it is the translaters misleading us, For instance, Acts 2: 38, The translaters have mislead un to believing we have to be baptised for the remission of sins.
But again, The Greek emphesis for "Remission of sins", Is on the repenting, Not baptism.
If you was to read the original saying, It would be something like,
"Repent for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost", Then and then only;[Once you are saved] You can be baptised.

Peter should know baptism doesn't save, As he was baptised but he wasn't saved until after Jesus rose from the dead.
So Peter knew baptism doesn't save, Both by experience and by revelation.



Spiritual baptism and water baptism, are not one experience, That is a catholic lie.
Plus, catholics get baptised as an infant, But don't receive the Spirit until their confirmation.

The emphasis is on "believing?" There is an "AND" in there. Those who believe AND is baptized. I see that you did not even address the reason why Jesus allowed His disciples to continue baptizing. If baptism is unnecessary, then why did Christ allowed His disciples to baptize? Also, why did the Apostles continue to baptize even after Christ ascended into Heaven? Everything that our Lord did is important and necessary. I don't think He does things that are unnecessary.

 

[mjrhealth]

I can just see Jesus in hell as He preaches to those in prison, " im sorry, it doesnt matter what I say nor wheter if you believe in Me" you cant go to heaven because you are not baptized, bad luck", or to the thief on the cross. forget what I said, you will have to climb off the cross and get someone to baptise you if you want to be saved", foolish isnt it.

In all His Love

 

[Wormwood]

Actually, Jesus did not go to hell to preach to people in prison. It doesn't say that. The implication of the text is that the Spirit of Christ (which is how Peter refers to the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Peter 1:11)) spoke through Noah long ago to those who are now in prison. The point here is simple: The Holy Spirit spoke through Noah and encouraged them to save themselves from the wicked world by getting in his boat. They refused and died and are now imprisoned because of their unbelief. Peter says that this is an antitype of baptism. The Holy Spirit is making the same plea today that people should be saved from the corrupt world by a pledge for a clean conscience by faith in Jesus through baptism. To reject this opportunity is to condemn yourself. So, you see, the text is making the opposite point mj.

Moreover, Jesus had not died so the thief on the cross could not be baptized in the death and resurrection of Jesus. I find it sad that so many Christians seek ways to ignore the plain commands of Jesus and precedents of the New Testament by looking for obscure passages or situations. Jesus commanded us to make disciples by going, teaching and baptizing. Peter said to "Repent and be baptized" for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the Holy Spirit. This promise is to us, our children and all who are far off. Can you imagine Peters audience saying, "Baptism? Now that really isn't necessary. That seems like a burden and...well, foolish." I just don't get this like of thinking.

"Sure Jesus, I believe in you."
"Okay, Repent and be baptized."
"Nah, Jesus, I'd rather not. That seems a little foolish to me."
:blink:

We are Christians, not Gnostics. Faith is not mere cognitive assent.

 

[Selene]

I can just see Jesus in hell as He preaches to those in prison, " im sorry, it doesnt matter what I say nor wheter if you believe in Me" you cant go to heaven because you are not baptized, bad luck", or to the thief on the cross. forget what I said, you will have to climb off the cross and get someone to baptise you if you want to be saved", foolish isnt it.

In all His Love

There is nothing in the Bible indicating that the good thief on the cross was not baptized. You simply assumed that he isn't. What is in the Bible, however, is the fact that Jesus did say that those who believe and is baptized will be saved. So, what about the person who believes and is NOT baptized?? That judgement is left to God. He alone decides what to do with this person. We do not make that decision.

Is believing enough? The answer is no. There are some who do believe in the name of Jesus and even did miracles in His name, but they were not saved according to the Bible.

Matthew 7:21-24 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

So, why were these people who did miracles in Jesus' name not saved?? Simply because they did not do His will. Therefore, during those times, when people heard Christ's preaching, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" those who believe in Him will get themselves baptized. The part about baptism is doing His will. Those who only believe, but did not get themselves baptized.....God will judge them according to their hearts. So, is baptism necessary especially now that we hear Jesus' words.....yes.

 

[mjrhealth]

Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Men lways trying to reason with God, always complicating things, always trying to add some "work" into teh formulae, Little Children He said, where is thy faith???

In All His Love

 

[Wormwood]

If baptism is a work, so is the "sinners prayer." In baptism you aren't even doing the action!

Hey everyone, stop reading your Bibles. Don't go to church. Don't show kindness or tithe. And definitely don't pray! We wouldn't want to be guilty of works righteousness after all! Utter nonsense!

 

[mjrhealth]

If baptism is a work, so is the "sinners prayer." In baptism you aren't even doing the action!

Hey everyone, stop reading your Bibles. Don't go to church. Don't show kindness or tithe. And definitely don't pray! We wouldn't want to be guilty of works righteousness after all! Utter nonsense!

Your righteousness is either in Christ or it is not,
Which is it???

And going to church is a work, sitting at Christs feet is not.

In Hia Love

 

[Alanforchrist]

The emphasis is on "believing?" There is an "AND" in there. Those who believe AND is baptized. I see that you did not even address the reason why Jesus allowed His disciples to continue baptizing. If baptism is unnecessary, then why did Christ allowed His disciples to baptize? Also, why did the Apostles continue to baptize even after Christ ascended into Heaven? Everything that our Lord did is important and necessary. I don't think He does things that are unnecessary.

Jesus di not add "Baptised", at the end of Mk 16: 16, DID HE?. NO..NO.. He said, "He that believeth not shal be damned",
Jesus didn't say, He that isn't baptised shal be damned, DID HE??.. NO NO. False religions have made that lie up.
Water baptism is an outward sign of an ALREADY inward experience, It is one identifying themself with Jesus.
In Bible times it was important for a Jew to witness that they were coverted to Christianity by being baptised, Thus idenifying themself with Christs death burial and resurrection.
And the Gentiles as well as everyone, were baptised as an outward sign that they were identifying themself with Christ.
But there certainly is no saving power in water baptism.
Peter, Philip and Paul knew that.

I can just see Jesus in hell as He preaches to those in prison, " im sorry, it doesnt matter what I say nor wheter if you believe in Me" you cant go to heaven because you are not baptized, bad luck", or to the thief on the cross. forget what I said, you will have to climb off the cross and get someone to baptise you if you want to be saved", foolish isnt it.

In all His Love

People can get to heaven without being baptised, The thief on the cross did.
Jesus did go to hell, He proclaimed the victory over the devil to those in prison.

Actually, Jesus did not go to hell to preach to people in prison. It doesn't say that. The implication of the text is that the Spirit of Christ (which is how Peter refers to the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Peter 1:11)) spoke through Noah long ago to those who are now in prison. The point here is simple: The Holy Spirit spoke through Noah and encouraged them to save themselves from the wicked world by getting in his boat. They refused and died and are now imprisoned because of their unbelief. Peter says that this is an antitype of baptism. The Holy Spirit is making the same plea today that people should be saved from the corrupt world by a pledge for a clean conscience by faith in Jesus through baptism. To reject this opportunity is to condemn yourself. So, you see, the text is making the opposite point mj.

Moreover, Jesus had not died so the thief on the cross could not be baptized in the death and resurrection of Jesus. I find it sad that so many Christians seek ways to ignore the plain commands of Jesus and precedents of the New Testament by looking for obscure passages or situations. Jesus commanded us to make disciples by going, teaching and baptizing. Peter said to "Repent and be baptized" for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the Holy Spirit. This promise is to us, our children and all who are far off. Can you imagine Peters audience saying, "Baptism? Now that really isn't necessary. That seems like a burden and...well, foolish." I just don't get this like of thinking.

"Sure Jesus, I believe in you."
"Okay, Repent and be baptized."
"Nah, Jesus, I'd rather not. That seems a little foolish to me."
:blink:

We are Christians, not Gnostics. Faith is not mere cognitive assent.

[1]Peter knew water baptism doesn't save, So the Bible translaters have mislead us, As they have in Acts 2: 38, This is the way the people in Acts 2: 38 would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent for the remission of sins, And you shall reveive the gift of the Holy Ghost", Then and then only can you be baptised.
To understand the Bible, We need to know when it's God doing the speaking, When it's a Biblical character speaking Or when it's the translater rightly or wrongly translating, And in 1 Pet 3: 21, And Acts 2: 38, The translaters got it wrong.

There is nothing in the Bible indicating that the good thief on the cross was not baptized. You simply assumed that he isn't. What is in the Bible, however, is the fact that Jesus did say that those who believe and is baptized will be saved. So, what about the person who believes and is NOT baptized?? That judgement is left to God. He alone decides what to do with this person. We do not make that decision.

Is believing enough? The answer is no. There are some who do believe in the name of Jesus and even did miracles in His name, but they were not saved according to the Bible.

Matthew 7:21-24 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

So, why were these people who did miracles in Jesus' name not saved?? Simply because they did not do His will. Therefore, during those times, when people heard Christ's preaching, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" those who believe in Him will get themselves baptized. The part about baptism is doing His will. Those who only believe, but did not get themselves baptized.....God will judge them according to their hearts. So, is baptism necessary especially now that we hear Jesus' words.....yes.

The original Greek text emphesis for "Saved" In Mk 16: 16, Is on the Believing, Not on baptism.
PLEASE NOTE, Jesus did not say, He who is baptised then believes, He did say, He who Believes and baptised,
The believing [Salvation] has to come before the baptism.
Jesus proves this point at the end of v16 when He said, "He that believeth not shall be damned"... He didn't say, "He that isn't baptised shall be damned.

 

[Selene]

Jesus di not add "Baptised", at the end of Mk 16: 16, DID HE?. NO..NO.. He said, "He that believeth not shal be damned",
Jesus didn't say, He that isn't baptised shal be damned, DID HE??.. NO NO. False religions have made that lie up.
Water baptism is an outward sign of an ALREADY inward experience, It is one identifying themself with Jesus.
In Bible times it was important for a Jew to witness that they were coverted to Christianity by being baptised, Thus idenifying themself with Christs death burial and resurrection.
And the Gentiles as well as everyone, were baptised as an outward sign that they were identifying themself with Christ.
But there certainly is no saving power in water baptism.
Peter, Philip and Paul knew that.

People can get to heaven without being baptised, The thief on the cross did.
Jesus did go to hell, He proclaimed the victory over the devil to those in prison.

[1]Peter knew water baptism doesn't save, So the Bible translaters have mislead us, As they have in Acts 2: 38, This is the way the people in Acts 2: 38 would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent for the remission of sins, And you shall reveive the gift of the Holy Ghost", Then and then only can you be baptised.
To understand the Bible, We need to know when it's God doing the speaking, When it's a Biblical character speaking Or when it's the translater rightly or wrongly translating, And in 1 Pet 3: 21, And Acts 2: 38, The translaters got it wrong.

The original Greek text emphesis for "Saved" In Mk 16: 16, Is on the Believing, Not on baptism.
PLEASE NOTE, Jesus did not say, He who is baptised then believes, He did say, He who Believes and baptised,
The believing [Salvation] has to come before the baptism.
Jesus proves this point at the end of v16 when He said, "He that believeth not shall be damned"... He didn't say, "He that isn't baptised shall be damned.

God is the only one who decides who should be damned. Man does not make those judgements. It is true that Jesus never said that he who isn't baptised shall be damned.....that is because God is the one to make that judgement. However, Jesus did say that those who believe and is baptized shall be saved. The person who believed went and got himself/herself baptized. Why? Because to believe means to obey. If a person truly believes in Jesus, he/she would get himself/herself baptized because Christ already said that he who believes and is baptized will be saved. A person who hears these words of Jesus and did not get himself/herself baptized did not obey either because he misunderstood what Christ was saying or chose to think that believing is more important that being baptized. This type of person thinks that believing is only necessary, and one does not need to do anything else is going against the Bible because the Bible never taught that.

The translators did not get it wrong when Peter said that the waters of baptism can save them in 1 Peter 3:21 and in Acts 2:38. Baptism came from God. It did not come from man. What comes from God gives us eternal salvation.

Jesus asked the Pharisees:

Matthew 21"25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?

The answer can be found in the Gospel of John:

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

So, baptism came from God, and whatever comes from God will give us eternal life. Jesus had Himself baptized with water, and if it was good enough for the Son of God, then it should be good enough for me. After all, He is the one whose footsteps we should follow in. If one has trouble believing in Jesus' words about being baptized to be saved, then why not simply follow what He did. Jesus got Himself baptized, then so should we. As for those who believe and were not baptized, God will be the one to judge them and decide whether they should be saved or not.

 

[Alanforchrist]

God is the only one who decides who should be damned. Man does not make those judgements. It is true that Jesus never said that he who isn't baptised shall be damned.....that is because God is the one to make that judgement. However, Jesus did say that those who believe and is baptized shall be saved. The person who believed went and got himself/herself baptized. Why? Because to believe means to obey. If a person truly believes in Jesus, he/she would get himself/herself baptized because Christ already said that he who believes and is baptized will be saved. A person who hears these words of Jesus and did not get himself/herself baptized did not obey either because he misunderstood what Christ was saying or chose to think that believing is more important that being baptized. This type of person thinks that believing is only necessary, and one does not need to do anything else is going against the Bible because the Bible never taught that.

The translators did not get it wrong when Peter said that the waters of baptism can save them in 1 Peter 3:21 and in Acts 2:38. Baptism came from God. It did not come from man. What comes from God gives us eternal salvation.

Jesus asked the Pharisees:

Matthew 21"25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?

The answer can be found in the Gospel of John:

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

So, baptism came from God, and whatever comes from God will give us eternal life. Jesus had Himself baptized with water, and if it was good enough for the Son of God, then it should be good enough for me. After all, He is the one whose footsteps we should follow in. If one has trouble believing in Jesus' words about being baptized to be saved, then why not simply follow what He did. Jesus got Himself baptized, then so should we. As for those who believe and were not baptized, God will be the one to judge them and decide whether they should be saved or not.

Water baptism DOES NOT save, If you read my posts, You will see it is a true fact.
The Bible's way is, Believe, Repent and get born again, Then you can be baptised.
Just because the Believers in the Bible were baptised, It doesn't mean that baptism saves.
Water baptism I just one indenifying themselves with Jesus, A witness that they belong to Jesus, But it doesn't save.

Read what I have said about 1 Pet 3:21 and Acts 2, And stop leaning to you own wrong religious understanding.
Peter knew baptism doesn't save, And if you read 1 Pete 3: 21, He said it is only a figure, A type, Not the thing that saves.
1 Pet 3: 21, "The like figure whereunto baptism now saves", NOTICE, baptism is only a figure, Then Peter goes on to say, It isn't the actual water, But the good conscience toward God.

Jesus gave us the perfect example, He was the Son of God, And He was baptised, So the example is, First become a Child of God through the rebirth, Then once you are saved, Then you can be baptised in water.

But catholics should be happy that water baptism doesn't save, Because they aren't baptised, Most of them had an infant dabbing of water, But that isn't the Biblical baptism.

 

[Selene]

Water baptism DOES NOT save, If you read my posts, You will see it is a true fact.
The Bible's way is, Believe, Repent and get born again, Then you can be baptised.
Just because the Believers in the Bible were baptised, It doesn't mean that baptism saves.
Water baptism I just one indenifying themselves with Jesus, A witness that they belong to Jesus, But it doesn't save.

Read what I have said about 1 Pet 3:21 and Acts 2, And stop leaning to you own wrong religious understanding.
Peter knew baptism doesn't save, And if you read 1 Pete 3: 21, He said it is only a figure, A type, Not the thing that saves.
1 Pet 3: 21, "The like figure whereunto baptism now saves", NOTICE, baptism is only a figure, Then Peter goes on to say, It isn't the actual water, But the good conscience toward God.

Jesus gave us the perfect example, He was the Son of God, And He was baptised, So the example is, First become a Child of God through the rebirth, Then once you are saved, Then you can be baptised in water.

But catholics should be happy that water baptism doesn't save, Because they aren't baptised, Most of them had an infant dabbing of water, But that isn't the Biblical baptism.

Baptism has to do with being born again. What does water symbolize? It symbolized the cleansing of sins. God sent John the Baptist to baptize for the repentance of sins (See Mark 1:4). How does one become born again if there is no cleansing or repentance of sins? If your sins are not forgiven, can you enter God's kingdom? No. This is why St. Peter said to repent, be baptize for the repentance of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Water cleanses and the Spirit sanctifies so that one can be "born again."

Baptism starts in the New Testament, and it was God who brought baptism to mankind. Man did not invent baptism. It comes from God. And nowhere in the Bible did it say that we are to get rid of baptism. After John the Baptist was killed, Jesus allowed His disciples to baptize. And after Christ ascended into Heaven, the Apostles continued to baptize. These facts shows that baptism is important and can lead to salvation because what comes from God brings eternal life.

And for your information, Catholics practice both full immersion and sprinkling of water in their baptism. A Catholic baptism is the same baptism as that of Jesus Christ at the Jordan River. It is a baptism of both water and spirit.

 

[Alanforchrist]

Baptism has to do with being born again. What does water symbolize? It symbolized the cleansing of sins. God sent John the Baptist to baptize for the repentance of sins (See Mark 1:4). How does one become born again if there is no cleansing or repentance of sins? If your sins are not forgiven, can you enter God's kingdom? No. This is why St. Peter said to repent, be baptize for the repentance of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Water cleanses and the Spirit sanctifies so that one can be "born again."

Baptism starts in the New Testament, and it was God who brought baptism to mankind. Man did not invent baptism. It comes from God. And nowhere in the Bible did it say that we are to get rid of baptism. After John the Baptist was killed, Jesus allowed His disciples to baptize. And after Christ ascended into Heaven, the Apostles continued to baptize. These facts shows that baptism is important and can lead to salvation because what comes from God brings eternal life.

And for your information, Catholics practice both full immersion and sprinkling of water in their baptism. A Catholic baptism is the same baptism as that of Jesus Christ at the Jordan River. It is a baptism of both water and spirit.

John's baptism was only the preparing the way for Jesus, Acts 19: 4--5 It didn't cleans people from their sins if it did, Why would Jesus need to shed His blood and die??
Also, Why did the believers in Acts 19: 5 need to be baptised in the name of the Lord.... Also see Acts 18: 24--26.

One is born again by repentance and remission of sins, Lk 24: 47. Remission by the blood of Jesus Heb 9: 22. 1 Jn 1: 7.
And the washing of regeneration, Titus 3: 5, The Greek word for, "Washing", As in washing of regeneration, Is "Loutron", If it was washing by water baptsim, The Greek word would have been, "Baptismos".
So,water baptism doesn't save, remit sins or cleanses us from sin.

Peter never said be baptised for the remission of sins, The translator mislead us to think that, What Peter said was,
"Repent for the remission of sins, Then you can be baptised", And that is the way the people would have heard and understood Peter.
Peter knew baptism doesn't remit sins.
Luke is the one who wrote Acts, And he said "Repentance and remission". Lk 24: 47. He said nothing about baptism.

I'm not saying baptism is done away, I'm showing you that it doesn't save.

I know catholics also do full immersion, But why do they do infant baptism by sprinkling, dabbing or pouring water on, When it isn't scriptural??.
Plus, How can an infant, Hear and understand the gospel, Repent and get born again??, Because that is what one needs to do before they can be baptised.

Jesus never baptised anyone in the Holy Ghost at the river Jordan, How could He??, The Spirit wasn't given until Jesus was glorified, Jn 7: 39.

You catholics don't half twist the scriptures.

 

[Selene]

John's baptism was only the preparing the way for Jesus, Acts 19: 4--5 It didn't cleans people from their sins if it did, Why would Jesus need to shed His blood and die??
Also, Why did the believers in Acts 19: 5 need to be baptised in the name of the Lord.... Also see Acts 18: 24--26.

Jesus' died for the remission of sins, but it was only for past sins, not present or future sins. After Christ died, did you not noticed that St. Peter stated to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. If Christ's death on the cross covered everyone's sins, why would Peter asked those to repent and be baptize for the forgiveness of sins?? Furthermore, the Bible does state that Christ's death on the cross was for PAST sins.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

St. Peter clearly stated to repent, be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit......and in that order (See Acts 2:38).

To be baptize in the name of Jesus Christ is to be baptized in the way Christ was baptized......not in the way John baptizes. We baptize infants just like the Early Christians did because baptism is not only to cleanse the original sin from the infants, but to also make them a child of God because baptism replaced circumcision just as St. Paul stated. When a person or infant is baptized, he/she is either immersed in water (or water is sprinkled on their head), and the priest uses the "laying of hands" as he baptized in the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit then comes down and declare "This is my son/daughter whom I am well pleased". This is Christ's baptism......not the way John baptized. The "laying of hands" is used during baptism, which brings about the Holy Spirit (See Acts 8:18, 1 Timothy 4:14, and Hebrews 6:2).

In the Old Testament, the circumcision of babies was a sign showing that they belong to the chosen people of God (See Genesis 17:11-14). Children who were eight days old were circumcised so that they belong to the chosen people of God (Israel). In the New Testament, baptism replaced circumcision and became the sign that those who were baptized belong to the family of God.

Colossians 2:11-12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

St. Paul compared circumcision with baptism, but it was a circumcision made without hands......a circumcision of Christ. This circumcision of Christ is baptism...the kind of baptism that Christ underwent at the Jordan River.....a baptism of water and spirit.

St. Peter knew that baptism can save because baptism came from God. All things that comes from God brings eternal life, which is salvation. Are you saying that those things that come from God cannot save??

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus' died for the remission of sins, but it was only for past sins, not present or future sins.

If this is the case, His death was in vain, and we have no salvation, He either died for our sins or He did not.Which is it??

Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

For some it is not true so they have to keep Him on the cross to continually die for them.

Heb_10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

In all His Love

 

[Selene]

If this is the case, His death was in vain, and we have no salvation, He either died for our sins or He did not.Which is it??

Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

For some it is not true so they have to keep Him on the cross to continually die for them.

Heb_10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

In all His Love

I gave scripture showing that it was for PAST sins that He died for. He did not die for present or future sins. If He died for present and future sins, then there would be no need for repentance. Therefore, repentance is important for your salvation. You become sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ AFTER you repent of your sins. Do not take Hebrews 10:10 out of context. Chapter 10 of Hebrews continues to tell you that if you deliberately sin, you can be condemned to Hell (See Hebrews 10:26-27).

 

[mjrhealth]

Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Jesus died once for your sins, He either has or He has not, either your sins are forgiven or they are not, baptism can save no man, if you do not believe that Christ has died for your sins, than what can baptism do for you, if you have not accepted His Gift to you than it doesnt matter what you do, there is no salvation outside His free gift.

In all His Love

 

[marksman]

Jesus was baptized at the age of thirty. Thirty in Jesus time was the legal age for adulthood. Today in the U.S.A. it is eighteen. A baby, or child should not be baptized because they do not understand what it means. When one is baptized, they are saying to all in Heaven, and on Earth, they are now a servant of the Living God.

A study of Jewish customs will reveal that a boy was considered a man at his bar mitzvah which took place at the age of 12/13 years old.

 

[Wormwood]

Your righteousness is either in Christ or it is not,
Which is it???

And going to church is a work, sitting at Christs feet is not.

In Hia Love

This is pure Gnosticism...the idea that Jesus simply came to give us some secret knowledge and therefore our response and actions have no bearing on our salvation...only that we hold certain cognitive "beliefs." If you really trust Jesus and make him your Lord, you will seek to obey his commands. That means we obey his command to baptize disciples and live sanctified life. Granted, it is our faith that saves us, not our actions. But if our actions display lack of faith (No Jesus, I will not obey your commands...no, I will not baptize people...no, I will not love others) then this faith is not a biblical definition of faith. It is a Gnostic form of faith that suggests that if we have the right knowledge, it doesnt matter how we live. Paul said such people deserve the condemnation coming upon them.

 

[mjrhealth]

This is pure Gnosticism...the idea that Jesus simply came to give us some secret knowledge and therefore our response and actions have no bearing on our salvation...only that we hold certain cognitive "beliefs." If you really trust Jesus and make him your Lord, you will seek to obey his commands. That means we obey his command to baptize disciples and live sanctified life. Granted, it is our faith that saves us, not our actions. But if our actions display lack of faith (No Jesus, I will not obey your commands...no, I will not baptize people...no, I will not love others) then this faith is not a biblical definition of faith. It is a Gnostic form of faith that suggests that if we have the right knowledge, it doesnt matter how we live. Paul said such people deserve the condemnation coming upon them.

Only a religiuos zaealot would think that way,

My sheep hear my voice, can you hear Him are you not His sheep, God has many secrets some desire to know there father others choose religion.

In all His Love

PS Christ never used big words that is a man thing. Don teven know waht gnosticism is ????